Wales 20mph limit starts Sept 17th - a heads-up

So some of the proposed exceptions ie those roads that will remain at 30mph (the majority outside heavily urban areas) were appealed by some local residents who wanted limits dropped to 20 in our county with varying rates of success.

Gives a lie to the top down imposition portrayed in the national press.

www.countytimes.co.uk

Wales' 20mph speed limit to be introduced in more parts of Powys after local calls

The outcome of a consultation into Wales' new 20mph speed limits looks set to see four more areas added to the new 20mph speed limit zones.
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I have decided to get ready for the next step by the Welsh lunatic asylum and bought the wife a red flag ready for her to walk in front of the car, its certainly heading that way
 
Glandwr said:
The break pedal wastes a great deal of fuel. Halting the momentum that you have just built up means that a lot of the fuel used to build up that momentum is wasted. Driving slower and in particular resisting the temptation to "drive to the limit" could conceivably, and I believe it does, use less fuel in urban driving.

OK on the few occasions that you can drive more than a couple of hundred yards without either accelerating or braking you might use less fuel at 30 than 20 given gear ratios etc. But how often does that happen in urban driving?
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My brake pedal on the car actually produces energy and adds charge to my batterys
 
There has been a 20MPH limit in all towns and villages in the Scottish Borders for a few years now. And when introduced it was just stupid. No one liked it and it was a disaster.
Typically the speed limits change from National Limit (60MPH for cars) down to 40 or 50 limits and then to 30 within the town/village. What the Council did was get rid of all the intermediate speeds and change to 20MPH right after the original 60 stopped and this was just rediculous. Had 20MPH limits in what was essentially open countryside with no houses or even pavements.
They eventually realised they had screwed up and "after consideration" they said that changing the limits from 20MPH to 30MPH outside the actual towns and village centres would be safer - not sure how they managed to not realise people staring at their speedos on an open road to keep below 20MPH was less safe then watching the actual road?
Now the 20MPH limits are ok as they are in in the built-up (or what classifies as 'built up' in the Borders anyway) areas, where you would be unlikely to be going much faster anyway and the approaches to the towns are an interim speed between National and centre speeds, which work well enough I think. (in the villages such as mine it is a switch between National/60 and 20MPH).
There is one daft bit of road just outside Newtown St. Boswells (or it could be just St Boswells?) heading towards Melrose where it is hard to know what speed you are allowed to do as by the time you have seen the sign and checked your speedo, the limit has changed again, then add in Dual Carriageway that isn't, Single Carriageway that is and it all gets very confusing. In no particular order the speed limit changes between 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 in the space of under 1.5 miles.
 
wildebus said:
There has been a 20MPH limit in all towns and villages in the Scottish Borders for a few years now. And when introduced it was just stupid. No one liked it and it was a disaster.
Typically the speed limits change from National Limit (60MPH for cars) down to 40 or 50 limits and then to 30 within the town/village. What the Council did was get rid of all the intermediate speeds and change to 20MPH right after the original 60 stopped and this was just rediculous. Had 20MPH limits in what was essentially open countryside with no houses or even pavements.
They eventually realised they had screwed up and "after consideration" they said that changing the limits from 20MPH to 30MPH outside the actual towns and village centres would be safer - not sure how they managed to not realise people staring at their speedos on an open road to keep below 20MPH was less safe then watching the actual road?
Now the 20MPH limits are ok as they are in in the built-up (or what classifies as 'built up' in the Borders anyway) areas, where you would be unlikely to be going much faster anyway and the approaches to the towns are an interim speed between National and centre speeds, which work well enough I think. (in the villages such as mine it is a switch between National/60 and 20MPH).
There is one daft bit of road just outside Newtown St. Boswells (or it could be just St Boswells?) heading towards Melrose where it is hard to know what speed you are allowed to do as by the time you have seen the sign and checked your speedo, the limit has changed again, then add in Dual Carriageway that isn't, Single Carriageway that is and it all gets very confusing. In no particular order the speed limit changes between 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 in the space of under 1.5 miles.
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Essentially that is how it is being implemented in Wales.
 
Wheelie said:
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I live in Wales and am all for it. Had a school friend killed crossing the road, and another hit and bounced over two cars but survived. Speed cushions have helped in our village. Many through routes will remain at 30mph, but the default for built up area will be 20mph. Signage will be clear. The new 20s are already up with a "3" sticker over the "2" until the 17th of Sept. The council workers will be out overnight like ninjas with paint scrapers!
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Totally support 20mph in towns. Hit someone (especially a child) at 30 and 80%chance of fatality or life changing injury, hit them at 20 and the % drops to20% chance of fatality or life changing injury. Until people learn to drive more safely then we need to regulate them.
 
I am strongly in favour of education on how to behave near roads of course young children are more likely to run in to a road, but they should be taught the dangers and adults texting and walking need to be more sensible, it's the same with bloody cyclists make everyone else responsible for their safety and they just carry on regardless.

Of course it makes sense, but let's be sensible in its application.
 
Due to all the debate on the new speed limit, we have decided to change our flag to a new design :D ...

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Pudsey Bear said:
I am strongly in favour of education on how to behave near roads of course young children are more likely to run in to a road, but they should be taught the dangers and adults texting and walking need to be more sensible, it's the same with bloody cyclists make everyone else responsible for their safety and they just carry on regardless.

Of course it makes sense, but let's be sensible in its application.
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Don't mention education, next you'll suggest people being responsible. ;):)
 
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