C&CC Price Rises

number14 said:
BTW - 450 staff!! What do they all do?
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407 of them are employed in accounts making sure the 3 in customer facing positions don’t waste any money on outdated concepts like customer care. The other 40 are employed on intercepting all communications containing any form of criticism before anyone can read them because criticism would be bad for staff moral. 😀
 
guerdeval said:
You’d think that as the sites are mostly rural they would use solar panels ,
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I don't think you've thought this through.
1) A 230v 16amp hookup is over 3500 w, so to supply the same power you would need 7 solar panels each outputting 500 w.
A typical 500w solar panel is about 3 sq meters so your panel array would be over 20 sq meter which is (for example) 8m by 2.5 m.

2) The solar panels output at 12 v so you would need an inverter (3500w) to run mains devices.

3) No power during the night.

You could,of course, have the solar panels wired to your (large) battery bank and use the bank to run mains devices using an inverter in the van.
This is what off-gridders do, but with the panels on their MoHo rather than on the site.
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Exactly! It's a mystery 🤷‍♀️

Probably exercising their recently acquired university degree knowledge to implement spiffing new ideas that all the old dinosaurs can't appreciate (cos we is all too fick!) :rolleyes: 😜 😉
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And to employ hugely expensive web designers (also fresh out of uni) who don't know their arse from their elbows....and who immediately go bust so they can't get it put it right!
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Could be.

Like most businesses in the current economic climate, they have all been screwed by the enormous rises in the price of "business" electricity.
Unlike private householders, there has been no "capping" to defend against this.

Most have no option but to increase the price for their services in whatever way they can: it's either that or go bust (many have already done so, or are doing so) 🤷‍♀️
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Although this current economic climate is not universal, but a decision of the electorate to choose a 'laissez-faire' govt.
There can be an alternative:-
www.theguardian.com

Why is Spain’s inflation so much lower than the UK’s? Because it stood up to business | Carsten Jung

The reliance on Bank of England rate rises alone can’t go on. In other countries, rent caps and excess profit taxes are working, says the IPPR’s Carsten Jung
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Okta said:
407 of them are employed in accounts making sure the 3 in customer facing positions don’t waste any money on outdated concepts like customer care. The other 40 are employed on intercepting all communications containing any form of criticism before anyone can read them because criticism would be bad for staff moral. 😀
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Both clubs have a similar number of sites and site staff, so I am assuming my answer covers the C&MC as well as C&CC.
Head office staff are as vital to the smooth running of the clubs, as site staff. So in no particular order!
Departments include Customer Services and call centre staff. Operational Site Support Staff, ( to order new site equipment, including machinery, site shops and other practical help for site staff. An accounts dept to pay bills for sites and head office and control on site spending etc. Property and Development department for building and existing site maintenance and repairs and finding and developing new sites. A H&S and staff training department. Membership Services to look after member queries and membership renewal queries. Senior management to plan and run the show. Regional managers to support site managers and staff at local level. IT department to look after the IT stuff. HR to make sure sites are staffed, employment laws are followed and site staff get their pay and conditions looked after. Club marketing dept, who make sure members are kept up to date with offers and information, and put together the club magazine. There maybe other that I have forgotten to mention, but believe me they are ALL required to keep an organisation, each with 115-120 club sites and over 1000 CL/CS up and functioning for the members and customers.
 
Annsman said:
Both clubs have a similar number of sites and site staff, so I am assuming my answer covers the C&MC as well as C&CC.
Head office staff are as vital to the smooth running of the clubs, as site staff. So in no particular order!
Departments include Customer Services and call centre staff. Operational Site Support Staff, ( to order new site equipment, including machinery, site shops and other practical help for site staff. An accounts dept to pay bills for sites and head office and control on site spending etc. Property and Development department for building and existing site maintenance and repairs and finding and developing new sites. A H&S and staff training department. Membership Services to look after member queries and membership renewal queries. Senior management to plan and run the show. Regional managers to support site managers and staff at local level. IT department to look after the IT stuff. HR to make sure sites are staffed, employment laws are followed and site staff get their pay and conditions looked after. Club marketing dept, who make sure members are kept up to date with offers and information, and put together the club magazine. There maybe other that I have forgotten to mention, but believe me they are ALL required to keep an organisation, each with 115-120 club sites and over 1000 CL/CS up and functioning for the members and customers.
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None of which means anything unless the total running costs are known as well as total income. That surely is the way to determine whether the charges for membership and sites charges are reasonable.
 
Just back from visiting 9 CCC sites, none of which were full, and most of which offered 30% discounts for midweek bookings. Gone are the days when caravans made up 80-90% of their members, and had nowhere else to go other than campsites. I think both of the large organisations overpriced their sites, hence why they were both offering discounts. I booked my trip in January, but never again. In future I will book 1-2 months in advance and see what offers there are.
 
iandsm said:
None of which means anything unless the total running costs are known as well as total income. That surely is the way to determine whether the charges for membership and sites charges are reasonable.
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Good point. Both clubs publish their income and expenditure for members to make those decisions each year. I was just answering the post about what all these people do.
 
Fisherman said:
Gone are the days when caravans made up 80-90% of their members, and had nowhere else to go other than campsites. I think both of the large organisations overpriced their sites, hence why they were both offering discounts.
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The CCC have been offering member discount codes for various types of stay since January as long as you pre booked a minimum of 14 days in advance of your stay. I think it was late June when the CCC waived the 14 day thing and said the discounts were available on the day at the reception without the need to pre book.

As for the CAMC pass as I gave up membership this year so have no idea how they have discounted things.

Agree that caravans no longer make up 80-90% of membership but surely caravans (and tenters in the case of the CCC), and even camper vans without facilities, are still limited to campsites.

As for motorhomes with onboard facilities still suspect that a high percentage use UK campsites exclusively especially during peak school holiday weeks. Off peak maybe less so as getting around and park ups are easier and it’s the off peak period where the sites might be quieter. But certainly where I was off peak in Dorset the sites still seemed very busy so maybe these quieter sites are limited to certain areas of the UK.
 
Moped said:
The CCC have been offering member discount codes for various types of stay since January as long as you pre booked a minimum of 14 days in advance of your stay. I think it was late June when the CCC waived the 14 day thing and said the discounts were available on the day at the reception without the need to pre book.

As for the CAMC pass as I gave up membership this year so have no idea how they have discounted things.

Agree that caravans no longer make up 80-90% of membership but surely caravans (and tenters in the case of the CCC), and even camper vans without facilities, are still limited to campsites.

As for motorhomes with onboard facilities still suspect that a high percentage use UK campsites exclusively especially during peak school holiday weeks. Off peak maybe less so as getting around and park ups are easier and it’s the off peak period where the sites might be quieter. But certainly where I was off peak in Dorset the sites still seemed very busy so maybe these quieter sites are limited to certain areas of the UK.
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I can remember were I read it, I think was part of an MMM survey, 85% of Motorhome owners don't always use campsites.
 
Moped said:
The CCC have been offering member discount codes for various types of stay since January as long as you pre booked a minimum of 14 days in advance of your stay. I think it was late June when the CCC waived the 14 day thing and said the discounts were available on the day at the reception without the need to pre book.

As for the CAMC pass as I gave up membership this year so have no idea how they have discounted things.

Agree that caravans no longer make up 80-90% of membership but surely caravans (and tenters in the case of the CCC), and even camper vans without facilities, are still limited to campsites.
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Moped said:
As for motorhomes with onboard facilities still suspect that a high percentage use UK campsites exclusively especially during peak school holiday weeks. Off peak maybe less so as getting around and park ups are easier and it’s the off peak period where the sites might be quieter. But certainly where I was off peak in Dorset the sites still seemed very busy so maybe these quieter sites are limited to certain areas of the UK.
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I don't use my Motorhome as much as I should and not nearly as much as many folk here, but I will admit I don't really use the wildcamping parkups that may here do. I just don't like sleeping in laybys.
So will be either Campsites (C&CC or independant), something suitable from Brit Stops (not got latest book though) or Driveway Mooching.

Next Month on a trip to family and NEC it will be 4 nights at a C&CC site near NEC at £8.50/night, probably a couple of nights Mooching (cost of a takeaway ;) ) and possibly a night or two at Swiss Farm in Henley on Thames for a bit of luxury (£30/night for fully serviced pitch) and some random stopovers, likely found in Brit stops depending on where I go while down south.
 
We don’t wild camp outside of Scotland.
But up here we much prefer wild camping.
We have stayed in places were there are no campsites, pub stops, or CLS.
And they are by far the best places we have spent a night or two.
We try to avoid lay byes, preferring carparks or areas well of the road instead.
 
Fisherman said:
I can remember were I read it, I think was part of an MMM survey, 85% of Motorhome owners don't always use campsites.
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We don’t always use UK campsites but I suspect that, like others, some if not most of the time in the UK they are used.

Just curious but what do commercial fee paying continental aires count as?

Some give you space to wind the canopy out but many don’t. Some have sanitary blocks (Spain more so) many don’t (France).

Wish they would have French type basic aires in the U.K. even if commercial. I know we all got excited when Gwynedd council said they would create 9 aires around the county for motorhomes but as yet nothing has been done so guess the plans are on hold.

The clubs could create segregated lower priced areas on their sites for motorhomes who don’t require sanitary block use or the full pitch size but they won’t.

To be fair to the CCC though, with the 30% discount for a grass pitch without hook up and mature person discount, many of their grass pitches can be had off peak for £10 to £12 a night or even less which is why we will continue with CCC membership.
 
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