After the 'Goodish' news in W Wales, there's this from N Wales

You can never really be in a situation where you are so desperate to empty your cassette you think its ok to empty it in a sand dune or lake district pub car park though can you? I still have my doubts that this has ever happened.
This is partly the problem. You’re saying you doubt it’s ever happened. So there are indeed people on this forum that deny it.

I’ve witnessed it, so presumably you’re saying I’m lying or mistaken. Others have too, presumeably you’re saying they are lying or mistaken too.

The pub in the Lake District caught it on CCTV and was so disgusted he stopped doing stopovers. Presumeably he’s lying too.

I simply can’t understand why you repeatedly deny it happens, when there’s evidence. Obviously it’s your choice, but it doesn’t help when anti motorhomers see your comments denying it happens (and trust me, it gets out there).
 
I've NEVER had to empty a toilet in a car park/wild spot or even a public toilet .
Managed perfectly well with the Odd site/CL/CS etc for services ...

These recent converts and 'Van lifers' (that phrase makes my eyes itch )
Seem to often just not give a damn about anyone or anything else other than their own little sphere of concentrated entitlement .

And I'm afraid neither you or any pamphlet is going to change that .
Sadly, I have to agree that from what I’ve seen written elsewhere, and from what I’ve witnessed, it does appear that a huge part of this problem is the Covid campers, those that have taken it up in the last 3-4 years.

It’s quite funny to see the number of people that have bought a van just to do pubstops. Thats it, just pubstops, a few nights then back home. But they then go on to ask “do you have 24/7 toilets, do you provide EHU, can I put an awning up, can I put tables and chairs out”. Some even ask if it’s necessary to use the pub!
 
Sadly, I have to agree that from what I’ve seen written elsewhere, and from what I’ve witnessed, it does appear that a huge part of this problem is the Covid campers, those that have taken it up in the last 3-4 years.

It’s quite funny to see the number of people that have bought a van just to do pubstops. Thats it, just pubstops, a few nights then back home. But they then go on to ask “do you have 24/7 toilets, do you provide EHU, can I put an awning up, can I put tables and chairs out”. Some even ask if it’s necessary to use the pub!
Same with a lot of folks that just visit sites ....

Though to be fair ....that's mostly what we do now barring a small number of very quiet out of the way places ...

I frankly can't be arsed with the snide looks and comments of most other situations ...
And the whole van life £$%^ just makes me want to gip I'm afraid ...

We managed 2 weekends away last year due to personal circstances ...

And truth is ....not sure I can be arsed this year either .
 
This is partly the problem. You’re saying you doubt it’s ever happened. So there are indeed people on this forum that deny it.

I’ve witnessed it, so presumably you’re saying I’m lying or mistaken. Others have too, presumeably you’re saying they are lying or mistaken too.

The pub in the Lake District caught it on CCTV and was so disgusted he stopped doing stopovers. Presumeably he’s lying too.

I simply can’t understand why you repeatedly deny it happens, when there’s evidence. Obviously it’s your choice, but it doesn’t help when anti motorhomers see your comments denying it happens (and trust me, it gets out there).
That’s not what Barry stated.
What Barry and many of us think is the problem is exaggerated to suit the ends of councillors who seek to impose draconian measures upon us. How many times have they been asked for evidence of what they report with absolutely none whatsoever, and this in an era were mobile phones are ubiquitous. Surely if you are making such a claim you should be able to provide evidence, other than the word of someone. And how many times have we seen people with interests in campsites being involved in these decisions.
Also does one or two transgressions really warrant closing car parks to the vast majority who used them with care, and valued them. The matter of cassette emptying may or may not be exaggerated, but the issue of dog fowling in car parks is there for all to see. Have you ever seen a sign banning dogs from carparks, and if this was done, would you expect dog owners to agree this was reasonable, i very much doubt it. There would be a public outcry. I only have to walk 100 yards from my home and walk to the next village to see the litter thrown from cars everywhere. The fact is there are dirty selfish people throughout society, from all walks of life, and the vast majority don’t own motorhomes.
It’s a sad fact that some simply don’t like us, that’s their default position. And in many cases it’s based on reports in the media and online, which are based on unverified reports with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. But neither Barry or myself think we don’t cause problems due to selfish behaviour. We have both experienced it ourselves, but I can honestly say I have never seen the contents of a cassette dumped anywhere. Yet when you read such articles it seems it’s common practice by us, now those two things just don’t add up.
 
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That’s not what Barry stated.
What Barry and many of us think is the problem is exaggerated to suit the ends of councillors who seek to impose draconian measures upon us. How many times have they been asked for evidence of what they report with absolutely none whatsoever, and this in an era were mobile phones are ubiquitous. Surely if you are making such a claim you should be able to provide evidence, other than the word of someone. And how many times have we seen people with interests in campsites being involved in these decisions.
Also does one or two transgressions really warrant closing car parks to the vast majority who used them with care, and valued them. The matter of cassette emptying may or may not be exaggerated, but the issue of dog fowling in car parks is there for all to see. Have you ever seen a sign banning dogs from carparks, and if this was done, would you expect dog owners to agree this was reasonable, i very much doubt it. There would be a public outcry. I only have to walk 100 yards from my home and walk to the next village to see the litter thrown from cars everywhere. The fact is there are dirty selfish people throughout society, from all walks of life, and the vast majority don’t own motorhomes.
It’s a sad fact that some simply don’t like us, that’s their default position. And in many cases it’s based on reports in the media and online.

Perfectly put Bill in a nutshell. Thats it exactly. 16 years Ive been on this forum and throughout that time how many times have we seen reports in the media posted on here about height barriers going up or motorhomes being banned from overnighting and more often than not some stuff about lots of complaints about dumping of waste etc? Someone then does a bit of a drill down, or asks the council for details of the complaints or evidence and there never is any!!!

The Lake district one sounds pretty specific though so lets see the evidence! There must be some, it was caught on CCTV.

It doesnt effect me much these days as the only place in the UK I wild camp now is probably Scotland and the Islands but I stand by what I said, I just dont believe it happens or if it does its very very rare. Its like Gas attacks. A Myth!

You are also right about "some" just not liking us. Its a Brit thing I reckon.
 
Good luck ....you'll need it .

40 years of 'wild camping' one way or another ...

Back of a old work van early on
To now a motorhome .

And in all that time I've NEVER had to empty a toilet in a car park/wild spot or even a public toilet .
Managed perfectly well with the Odd site/CL/CS etc for services ...

These recent converts and 'Van lifers' (that phrase makes my eyes itch )
Seem to often just not give a damn about anyone or anything else other than their own little sphere of concentrated entitlement .

And I'm afraid neither you or any pamphlet is going to change that .

OK, so assume you're one of the new owners who couldn't jet off abroad due to Covid and you've just got a van. You've had no previous interest in motorhomes, let alone WC, and you've never heard of CCC, CAMC, or groups like this?

How do you find out about the CL and CS network? How do you know it's acceptable to bury your poo? And how do you find out where it is an isn't acceptable to do so?

You've got your keys, you think "How hard can this be" (as suggested by Paul Merton and his wife) and off you go.
 
OK, so assume you're one of the new owners who couldn't jet off abroad due to Covid and you've just got a van. You've had no previous interest in motorhomes, let alone WC, and you've never heard of CCC, CAMC, or groups like this?

How do you find out about the CL and CS network? How do you know it's acceptable to bury your poo? And how do you find out where it is an isn't acceptable to do so?

You've got your keys, you think "How hard can this be" (as suggested by Paul Merton and his wife) and off you go.
It's NOT that they don't know ...

I didn't know how to weld or install airconditioning ...
BUT I was arsed to learn ....

These idiots that cause these issues just don't give a toss sadly ...

As long as they can do as they are 'entitled' too ...
 
It's NOT that they don't know ...

I didn't know how to weld or install airconditioning ...
BUT I was arsed to learn ....

These idiots that cause these issues just don't give a toss sadly ...

As long as they can do as they are 'entitled' too ...

Yes, but you don't seem supportive of the idea of pointing them in the right direction. Or maybe you are but have already written it off?
 
OK, so assume you're one of the new owners who couldn't jet off abroad due to Covid and you've just got a van. You've had no previous interest in motorhomes, let alone WC, and you've never heard of CCC, CAMC, or groups like this?

How do you find out about the CL and CS network? How do you know it's acceptable to bury your poo? And how do you find out where it is an isn't acceptable to do so?

You've got your keys, you think "How hard can this be" (as suggested by Paul Merton and his wife) and off you go.
Exactly Andy, for most who are new to this, it’s nothing to do with not caring, or feeling entitled. They simply don’t know what they are doing. Another thing worth considering are those who rent out vans with hardly any knowledge in what they are doing. Yes there are some who don’t care or feel entitled, but I don’t reckon that applies to most. There’s lots of ignorance out there, and trying to help them is both laudable, and helpful to us all.
And much of that ignorance can be found in some councils in the U.K., who don’t have a clue about us, or what we need or do.
 
That’s not what Barry stated.
What Barry and many of us think is the problem is exaggerated to suit the ends of councillors who seek to impose draconian measures upon us. How many times have they been asked for evidence of what they report with absolutely none whatsoever, and this in an era were mobile phones are ubiquitous. Surely if you are making such a claim you should be able to provide evidence, other than the word of someone. And how many times have we seen people with interests in campsites being involved in these decisions.
Also does one or two transgressions really warrant closing car parks to the vast majority who used them with care, and valued them. The matter of cassette emptying may or may not be exaggerated, but the issue of dog fowling in car parks is there for all to see. Have you ever seen a sign banning dogs from carparks, and if this was done, would you expect dog owners to agree this was reasonable, i very much doubt it. There would be a public outcry. I only have to walk 100 yards from my home and walk to the next village to see the litter thrown from cars everywhere. The fact is there are dirty selfish people throughout society, from all walks of life, and the vast majority don’t own motorhomes.
It’s a sad fact that some simply don’t like us, that’s their default position. And in many cases it’s based on reports in the media and online, which are based on unverified reports with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. But neither Barry or myself think we don’t cause problems due to selfish behaviour. We have both experienced it ourselves, but I can honestly say I have never seen the contents of a cassette dumped anywhere. Yet when you read such articles it seems it’s common practice by us, now those two things just don’t add up.
To be fair he did say he doubted it had happened.
 
Same with a lot of folks that just visit sites ....

Though to be fair ....that's mostly what we do now barring a small number of very quiet out of the way places ...

I frankly can't be arsed with the snide looks and comments of most other situations ...
And the whole van life £$%^ just makes me want to gip I'm afraid ...

We managed 2 weekends away last year due to personal circstances ...

And truth is ....not sure I can be arsed this year either .
The point I was making about those doing pub stops is not that they only do pub stops. Thats their choice. Rather, the funny thing is how they do pub stops, knowing it’s a car park, but repeatedly ask if they can have 24/7 toilets, EHU, awnings, tables and chairs, even a barbeque. Plus, some have said that they shouldn’t have to use the pub for drinks or a meal each visit as they only have a small budget.

It’s rather bizarre to hear them.
 
The sine says no camping, but as like me in not but just resting as rule 91 h way code.
But i do find it disgusting that folk empty the bog in carparks ditches and beaches.
A camera sys would be better placed with n plates picked up and a big fine sent to them.
Also a 24hr rule on staying & say a 5 van rule in any 24 hrs.
But do some folk really mt their toilets in car parks and ditches, or is it all made up by van haters having read the same story in some other click bait rag?
No Camping signs? Staying over in a van is not camping, but do not put any stuff out whatsoever, it's not allowed on aires.
We won't even use levelling chocks.
 
I accept that some motorhomers do dump their toilet waste but what gets my goat is no one ever mentions the much higher volume of cars who's inhabitants often have no choice but to go outdoors, and they never think of bringing a shovel!😡
Exactly, and also a point i've made a number of times is that motorists always vastly outnumber campervans in tourist areas. Motorists and their families do leave loads of litter, no doubt about it.
And when do we here anguished cries from locals that motorists put out chairs tables and BBQs? i've never seen such reports in the clickbait rags desperate for any story local, no matter how warped and untrue.
 
My research, like yours, is from being out and about for the last many years. There was definitely a time before motor homes and plenty of sxxxt about complete with toilet paper. It stands to reason that if you are out for a day at the beach or beauty spot, and often there are no toilets, what else can you do? They must come prepared as there is always toilet paper next to them!
Motorhomes do have toilets for these occasions.
Of course a minority of motorhomers have dumped cassette waste and it is a huge amount and disgusting.
Not sure what you mean about motorhomers being in denial of the problem. And if it were true what else can we do? Lobbying for facilities is already happening.
And I'm sure it is less than councils and the media make out.
Someone on here, forget their names, asked for many foi's from councils when dumping was used as the reason for closing off carparks and in almost all cases their claims of dumping and complaints turned out to be non existent!
A carry on film where the coach stops by a wood, and all the passengers go into the wood for a toilet break springs to mind. Not campervans.
 
But do some folk really mt their toilets in car parks and ditches, or is it all made up by van haters having read the same story in some other click bait rag?
No Camping signs? Staying over in a van is not camping, but do not put any stuff out whatsoever, it's not allowed on aires.
We won't even use levelling chocks.
Some do, I have no doubt about it, but it’s much rarer than some would have you believe. And if one or two idiots a year do so, does that really warrant an outright ban, or barriers.
 
Yes, it’s been witnessed. By me and by others. In the U.K. and abroad, it’s not restricted to here. Someone even did it in a car park in the Lake District and the pub closed the stopover.

This is partly the problem, that so many motorhomers want to deny there’s a problem. There is, albeit with a small minority.
 

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