Possible Permitted Overnight Parking in Whitby

barge1914

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Also forwarded to Whitby Gazzette and Welcome to Yorkshire. The latter are pursuing an initiative to revive Yorkshires struggling tourist industry at the moment, I have suggested they may give some joined up consideration to motorhome parking.
 

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Good on Whitby not a good experiance in February when I was parked in the large overflow carpark. Me and one other car and a warden walked all the way over the carpark to tell me my wheels were slightly over the lines and if i didn't put them in I would have to buy 2 tickets and also to make sure I wasent staying overnight. Had a better welcome in windimere marina. Apart from that shouldent we be e-mailing our councllers to encourage /put a few places in there park and rides. Would pay a nominal fee if required. As we won't be in france this year will still have money to spend. Come on then councillors who wants my money 😂
At least he had the decency to go to the trouble of telling you. He didn't have to, he could have just given you the ticket.
 

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Good on Whitby not a good experiance in February when I was parked in the large overflow carpark. Me and one other car and a warden walked all the way over the carpark to tell me my wheels were slightly over the lines and if i didn't put them in I would have to buy 2 tickets and also to make sure I wasent staying overnight. Had a better welcome in windimere marina. Apart from that shouldent we be e-mailing our councllers to encourage /put a few places in there park and rides. Would pay a nominal fee if required. As we won't be in france this year will still have money to spend. Come on then councillors who wants my money 😂
And your point?
 

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A pity about the heading photo as a representation of a modern motor home that is supposed to be fully self contained. Yes I know a few are are but far more are not.
I'm ashamed and embarrassed. I can not approve your sense of superiority. First over those who choose to park legally (at the time) and now to those who either choose not, or can not afford, the luxury of larger, more expensive, vans. And, obliquely, you criticise a locally produced newspaper which it seems to me has always been on the side of motorhomers - and its own home town's economy, of course.. I think the photograph is rather lovely. Who chose it? Barge? Or the newspaper? Either way, it's lovely.

Are you suggesting that, if this proosal comes off, then we should ask the council to only admit those meeting a certain standard? I do see the logic and it's a logic applied elsewhere. But I don't like it. The council might as well choose only smaller vans; some already do - with height barriers.

All motorhomers good - some better than others? That attitude always leaves me feeling some will have me on the wrong side of the line.

EDIT to add: and it's an invisible line. I'll not know what and where it is.
 
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SPOT THE DIFFERENCE.

Both car parks are full of vehicles.
One full of cars a regular sight throughout the uk, and no doubt the surrounding streets and lanes are also full of cars. Yet hardly an eyebrow is raised.
These car owners have no toilets, and require toilet facilities to be provided for them.


The second is full of Motorhomes and cars, the motorhome owners pay road tax, fuel duty, insurance the same as the cars in the carpark. They don’t require anything other than a space to park up, having their own facilities. Yet many eyebrows are raised.






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If we perceive ourselves as being a problem, just think what those outside our community will be thinking. What’s the difference between a car and a Motorhome. Well apart from size there is no difference, other than we are mainly self sufficient and cars are not. Ok we spend a night in an otherwise empty carpark. Is that really such an issue. We make up less than 1% of all vehicles on the road, and our mileage is only half that of a car. Yet reading articles and watching tv programmes you would think that we are more like 20%.
It’s a fact that even if every Motorhome in this country ventured out at the one time and they all wild camped (which they don’t) we could never create parking issues. The problem is cars are ignored, car parks full of cars is the accepted norm, yet if a few motorhomes are seen they are a problem. The problem is not the Motorhomes or their owners, the problem is that even though we pay the same road tax, fuel duty, vat, and insurance, we are not treated the same. And so long as we justify such disparity ourselves, it will continue.

As a nation we cannot continue to benefit from the manufacturing, selling, and the tax return we get from Motorhomes, then refuse to do anything for them apart from telling them they cannot be treated the same as other vehicles. Barriers, signage, and narrow minded nimbys are not the solution. Forcing motorhomes into what little parking space is still available to them as was done in Whitby, only creates the very issues that these measures seek to solve.
 
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phase3begins

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I do have a camper van. A minor issue in the scheme of things but here goes.
i parked my car in that car park early one morning, came back and found it rammed with motor homes. OK I thought until I found that one very large motor home had managed to squeeze into a non space and completely blocked anyone from exiting. Eventually the police had to be called and they managed to track down the driver. Took nearly an hour to free the car park.
Did the affected drivers blame the owner. Nope ’all these bloody motorhomes should be banned’
 

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I'm ashamed and embarrassed. I can not approve your sense of superiority. First over those who choose to park legally (at the time) and now to those who either choose, or can not afford, the luxury of larger, more expensive, vans. And, obliquely, you criticise a locally produced newspaper which it seems to me has always been on the side of motorhomers - and its own home town's economy, of course.. I think the photograph is rather lovely. Who chose it? Barge? Or the newspaper? Either way, it's lovely.

Are you suggesting that, if this proosal comes off, then we should ask the council to only admit those meeting a certain standard? I do see the logic and it's a logic applied elsewhere. But I don't like it. The council might as well choose only smaller vans; some already do - with height barriers.

All motorhomers good - some better than others? That attitude always leaves me feeling some will have me on the wrong side of the line.
To a degree you have a fair point. No problem with small campers, provided toilets are available AND they use them. Car owners generally only occupy car parks for a short period, they can use toilets elsewhere if there aren’t any adjacent... although the evidence to the contrary is littered about the bushes around many carparks. The occupants staying overnight in a CP unless they have abnormally retentive bladder and bowels have in such places nowhere but the bushes, unless they have a portapotty which evidently many don’t. Certainly I have myself seen people getting out of small campers clutching toilet rolls heading off into the bushes.
It got so bad in NZ that they brought in regulations banning non self constrained campers from free camps and in serviced sites. Now everyone there has to have a certificate testifying they have on-board waste storage.
In Germany I once saw a woman get out of the camper into the half meter space next to us, drop her knickers, squat and do the business...just to save walking to the pristine loos in the swimming pool 200 meters away, and this in the middle of a town park.
I won’t say people in big vans are without transgressions but they simply don’t need to act in this way. It’s a matter of practicality, not status, wealth, size or snobbery...inverted or otherwise.
 

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Phase3. Yes. I'm sure somethign similar has happened to most of us. Disabled spaces used by able-bodied, mother and child spaces used by those who believe mothers with children shouldn't have preferential treatment.

The point is valid that we all get blamed for problems created by the few. One council, Rother, placed on record a complaint justifying banning motorhomes (one of three complaints in three years, from memory) that a motrohome had been abandoned. Rother council didn't respond to my comment that by this logic they would ban motor cars if a Ford Escort had been abandoned.
 

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I do have a camper van. A minor issue in the scheme of things but here goes.
i parked my car in that car park early one morning, came back and found it rammed with motor homes. OK I thought until I found that one very large motor home had managed to squeeze into a non space and completely blocked anyone from exiting. Eventually the police had to be called and they managed to track down the driver. Took nearly an hour to free the car park.
Did the affected drivers blame the owner. Nope ’all these bloody motorhomes should be banned’
We were Jammed in by two cars in a forestry carpark in Stromeferry last summer.
There was no such cry to ban cars from this carpark.
We woke up that morning to find the exit blocked and the occupants were out hillwalking.
Luckily we had no intention of leaving, but a French couple had to wait till they returned later that say.
There are inconsiderate road users in all types of vehicles.
 

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We were Jammed in by two cars in a forestry carpark in Stromeferry last summer.
There was no such cry to ban cars from this carpark.
We woke up that morning to find the exit blocked and the occupants were out hillwalking.
Luckily we had no intention of leaving, but a French couple had to wait till they returned later that say.
There are inconsiderate road users in all types of vehicles.
that is my point. I am merely trying to point the inequality of perception. Because there were loads of mh’s they got the blame.
 

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AAArgh. STOP!!!!
By rising to the bait I am at risk of the very thing I wanted to avoid this thread doing, as so many, deteriorating into the usual pointless war of words where motorhomers devote their energies into splitting hairs, knocking verbal or literary spots off each other and end up achieving bugger all of use to anybody, and ending up more divided than ever.
If even one person writes or types another letter to their council, tourist authority or even to god then perhaps we have done something constructive and I wont feel like I'm p*****g in the wind!
 

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I shouldn't have commented. We have here a possibility of a council. previusly banning us, providing overnight places. I'd like to see us united ad my comments might have started arguments.

I can see nothing but advantages. At the very least, I hope, there will be a public airing (sorry!) at a council meeting where I hope that even if the proposal is defeated we will see what councillors are prepared to say to justify themselves - under public scrutiny.
 

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AAArgh. STOP!!!!
By rising to the bait I am at risk of the very thing I wanted to avoid this thread doing, as so many, deteriorating into the usual pointless war of words where motorhomers devote their energies into splitting hairs, knocking verbal or literary spots off each other and end up achieving bugger all of use to anybody, and ending up more divided than ever.
If even one person writes or types another letter to their council, tourist authority or even to god then perhaps we have done something constructive and I wont feel like I'm p*****g in the wind!
Sorry Barge but the biggest problem we have is ourselves.
Many having swallowed the we are a problem mantra,
and the we have to be dealt with mantra.
When will we ourselves realise that we are not a problem to be dealt with.
We don't want to be pampered, or given favourable treatment,
or have gazillions spent on us.
All we want is to be treated fairly, and equitably.
Sorry but until we stop shooting ourselves in the foot,
we are in the words of private Fraser "DOOMED"

If you can't rely on the support of the very people you are trying to help.....well.
 

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