Possible Permitted Overnight Parking in Whitby

Fazerloz

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I'm ashamed and embarrassed. I can not approve your sense of superiority. First over those who choose to park legally (at the time) and now to those who either choose not, or can not afford, the luxury of larger, more expensive, vans. And, obliquely, you criticise a locally produced newspaper which it seems to me has always been on the side of motorhomers - and its own home town's economy, of course.. I think the photograph is rather lovely. Who chose it? Barge? Or the newspaper? Either way, it's lovely.

Are you suggesting that, if this proosal comes off, then we should ask the council to only admit those meeting a certain standard? I do see the logic and it's a logic applied elsewhere. But I don't like it. The council might as well choose only smaller vans; some already do - with height barriers.

All motorhomers good - some better than others? That attitude always leaves me feeling some will have me on the wrong side of the line.

EDIT to add: and it's an invisible line. I'll not know what and where it is.
ALL that from this.
"A pity about the heading photo as a representation of a modern motor home that is supposed to be fully self contained. Yes I know a few are are but far more are not."
Please do not read things into my posts things that are not there
You have chosen to take my post out of context unfortunately. The only reason for the post was the fact Barge mentioned in his letter.
"The modern motorhome offers a self contained environment complete with on-board water, sanitation, and waste storage, and even solar power."
A VW bus is neither of these generally speaking.
Having worked many bug fests and bus stopovers i also know the facilities many have onboard and that many have a value way above the value my own van. So have no sense of superiority whatsoever over anyone.
There was no criticism of the newspaper intended.
Yes the picture is a lovely pic. The romantic view of campervaning. But to me not the picture painted by Barges letter.
I am making no suggestions at all other than it was what i thought a poor choice of pic.
 

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that is my point. I am merely trying to point the inequality of perception. Because there were loads of mh’s they got the blame.
And sadly the council would get plenty of support from our own community.
The day I see a car park banning cars for their indiscretions and welcoming Motorhomes, I may change my tune. I know I am having a laugh also. :)
 

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And so it continues.

Can I make a suggestion, if not labouring the point, which it seems I must.

We clearly have a lot of energetic and lucid keyboard warriors. How about expending some of the time and energy we all clearly seem to have at the moment in a more focussed way. My one lonely voice can only have a limited impact. A flood of emails of support coming from all over the country, and we are all over the country, would have more effect.

As for Whitby, indeed Scarborough too, you have all have your own points to make and are quite capable of using your own words. It would be better you do so individually as then it looks less orchestrated and less likely to be ignored than a duplicated email. To make it easy I have included below email addresses of all the SBC councillors representing Whitby, and those I believe have a particular interest in the subject. It is better to address separately as CCs may end up in junk mail.

Cllr.Stewart.Campbell@scarborough.gov.uk
Cllr.Sue.Tucker@scarborough.gov.uk
cllr.andrew.backhouse@scarborough.gov.uk
Cllr.Michael.Stonehouse@scarborough.gov.uk
Cllr.Alf.Abbott@scarborough.gov.uk
Cllr.David.Chance@scarborough.gov.uk
cllr.derek.bastiman@scarborough.gov.uk

Also Yorkshire Coast Radio
info@yorkshirecoastradio.com

Welcome to Yorkshire
info@yorkshire.com

And Nigel Ward at the NY Enquirer
symphonetix@tiscali.co.uk

And the Whitby Gazette
editorial@whitbygazette.co.uk


As of now I have received replies from Glenn Goodberry and Stewart Campbell both of whom seem to think it makes some good points and will discuss it with other council members.

In further correspondence with Glenn Goodberry I have also made these further points

<< If I may make a small observation. The Abbey car parking area is indeed a good and opportune location for most motorhomes, but I would observe that I am aware of a lot of elderly and other motorhomers with significant disabilities, and at least one with a severely disabled son who would struggle getting down to the town. I wonder about the possibility of one or two allocated spaces within town for disabled motorhome users.

I am of course aware of the local visual impact a large congregation of motorhomes has when located close into urban areas. Quite a number of towns have mitigated this by spreading the numbers by allocating a small number of motorhome spaces in each of a number of (usually peripheral) carparks and park and rides, along with signage giving directions to one strategically located service point. This may not be directly relevant to your current project, but perhaps a thought for the future. >>



It would be good also if a few folks adapted my mail to send to those in places they know about and I have not written to. Rother someone has mentioned recently. All those Scottish Boroughs that have attracted a flood of motorhomes without thinking to provide facilities, Fyfe who can be congratulated for making a start on joined up thinking, and also possibly Fylde. You all know your own patch better than I do. And I’m sure many more that you all have come across and discussed at some length on this forum.
 
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Rother. There is presently correspondence - I know little of it, I'm not involved - with Rother about the legality of its PSPO. I think Liberty and Manifesto Club know of it but I don't know what stage they are all at.

When the PSPO was proposed I prepared a little paper. It's maybe a bit naive but here it is - if it gives anyone ideas? I did quite a few of these comparisons and they did sometimes have an effect. This one produced a few replies from Councillors - but the PSPO was stil introduced.
 

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Rother. There is presently correspondence - I know little of it, I'm not involved - with Rother about the legality of its PSPO. I think Liberty and Manifesto Club know of it but I don't know what stage they are all at.

When the PSPO was proposed I prepared a little paper. It's maybe a bit naive but here it is - if it gives anyone ideas? I did quite a few of these comparisons and they did sometimes have an effect. This one produced a few replies from Councillors - but the PSPO was stil introduced.
A good paper, makes some good points, a pity it didn’t get anywhere. As a matter of interest have you any idea how many letters from other motorhomers were sent to the council opposing the PSPO proposals. And how many Sussex motorhomers contacted their MPs about this abuse of procedure? Or did we all simply grumble fruitlessly into our beards instead? From a previous post it seems apparent that some Scarborough councillors have in the past tried to circumvent the TRO procedure which exposes them to more scrutiny.
 

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Thank you. Kind of you. The best respones I got was this:

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I had a few acknowledgements but I don't know whether it was discussed or even "looked into". When the PSPO was approved I let it drop. I know several other motorhomers also contacted the council and I know one had a meeting wiht a councillor. It was discussed at some length on one of the other motorhome forums. facts, I think but may have been fun. I will see if I can find that thread and post you a link.
 

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Would a paper like this be useful? Or maybe a hindrance? To the same distribution as Barge's much more erudite document?
Excellent paper, I can’t see why you worry it wouldn’t be helpful. Just a small point though, it might be worth getting some feedback on Helmsley to be sure it is a success.

You may also mention that in France there are also organisations such as France Passion which promote and advertise a lot more private aires, not included in your figures, in farms, attractions, vineyards, and more. Also that additionally many hotels throughout Europe use part of their car parking for motorhomes to stay overnight, a thought for hotels struggling to attract guests at the moment so long as they have parking spaces and local authorities don’t throw obstacles in their path.
 

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Thank you. Do you think it's right to talk about Britstops, for example? Perhaps not confuse them with alternatives? I've amended the paper to take account of your comments. Getting to look like something useful?
 

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Thank you. Do you think it's right to talk about Britstops, for example? Perhaps not confuse them with alternatives? I've amended the paper to take account of your comments. Getting to look like something useful?
I am deliberately not commenting too much on this thread, it would only be a matter of time before upsetting someone.

I have mentioned in the past britstops is a flawed model when it comes to councils who licence the pubs,,,it can be easily construed the hostelries are in breach of their licences.so a subject better avoided.
 

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I am deliberately not commenting too much on this thread, it would only be a matter of time before upsetting someone.

I have mentioned in the past britstops is a flawed model when it comes to councils who licence the pubs,,,it can be easily construed the hostelries are in breach of their licences.so a subject better avoided.

As a Personal Alcohol licence holder myself Im Just curious how a Motorhome or Campervan stopping over in the car park of a Public House is in your eyes breaching their Alcohol licence,or premises Licence (issued by the Council)They could get in bother due to not having a camping site Licence yes but Alcohol and Motorhomes are two completely different things and come under two completely different Licences.
 

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As a Personal Alcohol licence holder myself Im Just curious how a Motorhome or Campervan stopping over in the car park of a Public House is in your eyes breaching their Alcohol licence,or premises Licence (issued by the Council)They could get in bother due to not having a camping site Licence yes but Alcohol and Motorhomes are two completely different things and come under two completely different Licences.
Preventing public nuisance motor caravans moving about especially early leavers,outside licensing hours.prevention of crime and disorders groups getting rowdy if consuming their own booze dps is not excercising any control on a licensed premises,
 

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Looks good. I was reluctant to mention Britstops for the reasons Channa identifies lest this backfire on pubs in the area signed up to Britstops.

However for an example of a successful UK hotel Aire we have the Royal Hotel in Ullapool ( Scotland of course!) where spaces are allocated to motorhomes in their carpark; an existing outside tap provides water, and the addition of a hinged lid to an existing manhole gives a waste disposal point. More custom for their restaurant and bar at absolutely minimal investment cost.
 

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Ah right, I understand now. I think that would be best kept away from this question but no objection to anyone else doing that. I think then that my amended little paper will go in just as it is. Any other comments welcome. Well, not only welcome - maybe needed: I researched and wrote it in not much more than a couple of hours.
 

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Great letter. The only thing I would add would be an explanation of the symbols on the French map. That would show the range of options for aires.
 

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There are a few parking areas in N.Yorks but only a few. Settle, Skipton and Ingleton have motorhome only parking and at £5 a night.

Been to all of these,recently last year.Skipton was interesting as on second visit we awoke early to find a market setting up around us and all the other Motorhomes as well.Some were actually in theory blocked in for the day.To get out the market stalls would have needed dismantling.We escaped just before we got blocked in.So some would have woken with a surprise and a need to refill the pay machine even if they had planned to leave.Bear this in mind if you visit.
 

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Been to all of these,recently last year.Skipton was interesting as on second visit we awoke early to find a market setting up around us and all the other Motorhomes as well.Some were actually in theory blocked in for the day.To get out the market stalls would have needed dismantling.We escaped just before we got blocked in.So some would have woken with a surprise and a need to refill the pay machine even if they had planned to leave.Bear this in mind if you visit.
I have never seen a market on Coach Street Car park which is the only car park for ovenight Motorhome parking park in Skipton. The market is on High Steet. I would think it must have been a special event.
 

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I have never seen a market on Coach Street Car park which is the only car park for ovenight Motorhome parking park in Skipton. The market is on High Steet. I would think it must have been a special event.


I saw one.I was there with Swmbo and our two Cat travellers Special event or not I was just advising of our experience and to warn other Motorhomes to be aware.i/e if not a regular market then check before one goes there.
 

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