No overnight parking and the BIG SOCIETY

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yes i know what you meant ,and i think most members do also.its the low life in all walks of life that cause the problems
 
mandrake said:
not only with the parking but the food and petrol prices well if you can call rubber bacon and eggs food its not only motor homes and car owners they fleece but think off a trucker





You bloody old people always moaning,what the heck are you doing buying bacon and eggs at a service area when you can take your bacon and eggs with you?
I take great pleasure in having the wife cook bacon and eggs in our hymer particularly when the window is open with the smells wafting out and making other people hungry,worth having a motorhome all day long for that;)
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i wouldent touch motorway slop ,in fact its very rare i eat out, as they say nowt nicer than home cooked scran. not only that i am a tight fisted old yorky at heart nothing nicer than wife made food i love it parked up frying the bacon with the windows open and watching all the passers by drooling at the mouth
 
I have been reading this thread with interest, some of the comments are justified and I personally do not think that any one should remove any sign if it is not their own property, but each to their own. I have one question what or who are the hot hatch brigade?
I really enjoy coming onto this site but I do not like it when people have to get personal when they reply to any thread. There is no need for it
Bambiowner
 
BambiOwner said:
I have been reading this thread with interest, some of the comments are justified and I personally do not think that any one should remove any sign if it is not their own property, but each to their own. I have one question what or who are the hot hatch brigade?
I really enjoy coming onto this site but I do not like it when people have to get personal when they reply to any thread. There is no need for it
Bambiowner
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the school boy racers?? young foolish drivers who's parents have more money than sense
 
As regards the parking "fine" at motorway service stations such as MOTO. Its not a fine its an invoice. Its probably from a private company or their solicitors that have the rights from MOTO to dish out these so called fines. Do a search and the internet is littered with posts about it then stick it in the bin and ignore all the threatening letters. They wont take you to court, its not worth it. Dont admit to it either or enter any correspondence with them.

As for taking the sign down. I dont think I would have done it but mainly because I would have probably cocked it up unless i knocked it down with the van.
 
BambiOwner said:
I have been reading this thread with interest, some of the comments are justified and I personally do not think that any one should remove any sign if it is not their own property, but each to their own. I have one question what or who are the hot hatch brigade?
I really enjoy coming onto this site but I do not like it when people have to get personal when they reply to any thread. There is no need for it
Bambiowner
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they are the ones that pass there test buy a little hatch back car make it look somewhat silly with a body kit and ruddy noisy then fill it with other kids then drive it so fast they loose controle and kill each other
 
Long Post. Please read it.

John H said:
Its not as simple as that. In my days as a councillor I actually got requests from people to remove bus shelters because they were an eyesore or encouraged urinating drunks or rowdy youths. They may be useful to you but not to others - and if you don't regad something as useful it does not give you the right to commit criminal damage, which is where we came in.

Yes there are similar signs in Spain, yes people ignore them and yes some people tear them down - all of which annoys the authorities even more and as a result, fewer and fewer places along the coast are now open to us. But away from the coast there is not the same problem (probably because there are fewer motorhomes anyway) so that is the way we will be travelling home, stopping legitimately along the way. We probably won't get wi-fi at most of these, so, once again, I will have to bow out of this conversation for a bit after today.
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I take it you mean Spanish people tear them down? Well, if what this Spanish poster says is true, then what do you expect them to do? Give in as easily as we do?

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/spain/4101-santander-warning.html

Please look at Post Number 7. I'll reproduce a bit here.

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I am posting on behalf of the 6000 members of the Spanish web site:

http://www.acpasion.net

We would like to say hello to you all and also to request your assistance. As many of you are already aware, here in Spain, Motorhome and Camping Car users are having a pretty tough time as in some regions not only is it forbidden for Motorhomes and Campers to drive through some towns but we are also at risk of receiving a heavy fine of approximately 600 Euros (approx. 400 Pounds Sterling) if you even dare to challenge their illegal rules.

Yes, the rules on which this is based are completely illegal as there is a so called Traffic Instruction 08-V-74, which covers these laws and which mentions Motorhomes and Camping Cars in particular, and where it clearly states that parking and overnight stays are permitted in any part of Spain.

These Laws, which have been passed by Spanish Parliament, are of compulsory enforcement but, nevertheless, many regions choose to ignore them and dictate rules which are contrary to the Law but favour the owners of Camp Sites with the aim of forcing the users of Motorhomes and Camping Cars to use their installations and charge them really abusive prices.

We would ask you to join us in a protest against these measures which are more in keeping with a dictatorship than a democracy, as not only do we have to tolerate this imposition but the Spanish Government does not even take measures to intervene and enforce the legal Law which belongs to all Spaniards.

Only after many attempts have we begun to realise that by ourselves we cannot fight for this type of tourism which we so much love; we wish to be able to park and stay overnight in an orderly but complete freedom. We are neither delinquents nor fringe dwellers but this is how we are treated. Besides legal measures paid out of our own pockets we wish to make it known via a boycott on those towns or regions which are breaking the law, that no Motorhome and Camping Car users will visit as tourists if they do not change their politics and start to obey the law.

END OF QUOTE

Please go and read the entire post. The entire thread if you have time. And if you can read and translate the Spanish Law quoted I will be eternally grateful.
 
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Yes, the rules on which this is based are completely illegal as there is a so called Traffic Instruction 08-V-74, which covers these laws and which mentions Motorhomes and Camping Cars in particular, and where it clearly states that parking and overnight stays are permitted in any part of Spain.
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Hi Maureenandtom. I opened up "acpasion.net" as it is in Spanish, I was unable to identify which of the several items shown is related to your above post which I have cut and pasted. I thought I would print it out and carry it with me in case I was approached regards Parking and Overnight stays. Perhaps you could help further.
 
I'm a squirrel. I keep all sorts of documents and I know I once had a copy of this document. I had a total computer failure about a year ago and lost a lot of stuff but I'm sure I've got this backed up somewhere on a CD. I've got a few of them too.

Starting this afternoon, I'll do a search and see if I can find it. I do seem to remember a lot of discussion about this - not all of it in English and not all of it on sites we would normally use. I think there were several consequences - one of which was that some - or maybe many -Spanish vans now have a notice saying something like "I'm not camping, I'm parking."

I will look for it. I know that I'm not the only one who has a copy. Anybody else help?
 
zipnolan said:
On my recent visit to Germany I was asked by 3 fellow campervaners that they would love to visit the UK (due to recent showing of the "Coast" series in Germany) and what was it like ?
Well I told them not to bother because of our "no overnight" rules and expensive rip-off campsites and just to prove myself right on my return I found a fine for £50 sitting on the mat because I slept for 5 1/4hrs on some MOTO services on the M2, it was at midnight and the carpark was totaly empty, it was raining/windy at the time and I thought for safety reasons to pull over and grab some shut eye. The "stelleplatz" sceme and the "Aires" sceme puts us to shame and I hang my head in shame when telling others not to visit us because they will come away with a bad taste in their mouths.
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Please, please, please when driving to Dover remember to empty your cassette toilet at Medway services M2 eastbound............ a gift from us all.
 
maureenandtom said:
David and Ann,

I couldn't wait and I'll carry on looking. However, I googled it and I came up with this:

2008.01.28 Normativa Trafico Autocaravanas - 08/V-74

If this link works, will you let me know, - and let me know if it doesn't too. If it shows what the Spanish OP says it does then it could be useful. I don't think I translated it at the time.
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Hi Maureenandtom. Yes, I managed to open it up. Tried to print it out but was unable to. Then tried to copy and paste it to my files, hat was not possible as it would highlight for coping. The tried to save it directly from the Website, which it excepted. I then went to my files, found it there, then tried to get a print out and was denied access as there was a virus in it. So I deleted it immediately. It does come up on the website but cannot get a copy of it. Perhaps someone on here can HELP. Thanks anyway.
 
Hi David and Ann,

Seguimiento incidencias Instrucción 08/V-74 - AC Pasión | Portal Independiente Autocaravanista

That's one of the threads in acpasion about it. I'm worn out getting to it. If you can translate any of it then will you let me know? I will go back and have another look at it but many eyes make light work, yes?

The actual traffic order. I went through the same process you did and I now have it as a PDF file (800K) and if you want it then I'll find a way of getting it to you. My virus checker says it is virus free. I use the Talk Talk on-line paid-for checker and I trust it.

As a PDF file it looks just like the original does, ie a scanned copy of a printed document. Somebody with more skill than me might be able to get it into a word processor for translation but I can't. If you go through the acpasion thread then you might get a link to a better copy or links to more threads about it.

Let me know if you want my PDF file.

Tom
 
maureenandtom said:
Hi David and Ann,

Seguimiento incidencias Instrucción 08/V-74 - AC Pasión | Portal Independiente Autocaravanista

That's one of the threads in acpasion about it. I'm worn out getting to it. If you can translate any of it then will you let me know? I will go back and have another look at it but many eyes make light work, yes?

The actual traffic order. I went through the same process you did and I now have it as a PDF file (800K) and if you want it then I'll find a way of getting it to you. My virus checker says it is virus free. I use the Talk Talk on-line paid-for checker and I trust it.

As a PDF file it looks just like the original does, ie a scanned copy of a printed document. Somebody with more skill than me might be able to get it into a word processor for translation but I can't. If you go through the acpasion thread then you might get a link to a better copy or links to more threads about it.

Let me know if you want my PDF file.

Tom
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Hi Tom, I would really appreciate it if you could e-mail it to me. david1942ryan@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks a lot.
 
You should have it now. I truly hope it is useful. I don't know if the original poster is still on ecpasion but it might be helpful to do a search on him

Tom
 
David,

I tried twice to send you the file. I got this both times. Is this your correct email address?

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