No overnight parking and the BIG SOCIETY

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At Porthtowan, Cornwall, we have two car parks, one is Coucil which you have to pay. They have height barriers. The other is right on the edge of the beach where the Surfer Life guards are. This is a free car park with height barriers. A couple of years ago someone sawed the lock of during the night so that taller vehicles could get in. The Council came the next day and put a new pad lock on. It happened again the following night. The pad lock was sawed off again. To this day the height barriers are open and the place is full with Surfer vans.
 
David & Ann said:
Yes Canalsman, spot on. The picture must be at least 2 to 3 years old. I live 250 metres from the beach and walk it daily with the dog. The barrier is still there but the cross bar is in the swung out position. I will double check it and post again tomorrow.
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See if you can spot this with google maps. There is a 3rd spot for free parking in Porthtowan. Just before you come to the fork road, one leading to the beach and the other to the Life saving free parking. 100 metres before the forked road is a little bridge going over a stream. Turn right here and 20 metres on your left is an empty space. Nobody knows who owns this land. It has a sign saying to No Parking. No one knows who put the sign up. The Council say it has nothing to do with them as it is private property. It is always full with cars on a good day when the other parking areas are full. A one minute walk to the shops and beach.
Note: Council car Park. 1st October to 30th April yearly, FREE PARKING. Fixed height barrier.
 
David & Ann said:
See if you can spot this with google maps. There is a 3rd spot for free parking in Porthtowan. Just before you come to the fork road, one leading to the beach and the other to the Life saving free parking. 100 metres before the forked road is a little bridge going over a stream. Turn right here and 20 metres on your left is an empty space. Nobody knows who owns this land. It has a sign saying to No Parking. No one knows who put the sign up. The Council say it has nothing to do with them as it is private property. It is always full with cars on a good day when the other parking areas are full. A one minute walk to the shops and beach.
Note: Council car Park. 1st October to 30th April yearly, FREE PARKING. Fixed height barrier.
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You can find the owner of a bit of land on the Land Registry Website. If you need more detail it is available for a small fee.
 
David & Ann said:
See if you can spot this with google maps. There is a 3rd spot for free parking in Porthtowan. Just before you come to the fork road, one leading to the beach and the other to the Life saving free parking. 100 metres before the forked road is a little bridge going over a stream. Turn right here and 20 metres on your left is an empty space. Nobody knows who owns this land. It has a sign saying to No Parking. No one knows who put the sign up. The Council say it has nothing to do with them as it is private property. It is always full with cars on a good day when the other parking areas are full. A one minute walk to the shops and beach.
Note: Council car Park. 1st October to 30th April yearly, FREE PARKING. Fixed height barrier.
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It's here Porthtowan, Truro - Google Maps

If you zoom in you can read the sign clearly ...

Is overnight parking OK here?
 
Well, Maureen and Tom, you have been busy in my absence!

First, in an attempt to discredit me, is the best you can do really to quote me congratulating someone else for correctly pointing out that the OP who had been receiving significant support was, in fact, a SELF-CONFESSED thief? If someone admits to stealing then it is no insult to call them a thief, just a simple statement of fact.

Second, you attempt to provide the OP with an excuse under the Theft Act of 1968. Once again, you are guilty of reading the bits you like and ignoring the inconvenient rest. In the legal world relating to theft, the intention to permanently deprive is the ace of trumps. He admitted such an intent and so I'm afraid your attempted defence has been trumped by the person you were trying to defend.

Third, and much more interesting, is the debate that has started over the law in Spain. I know very little about Spanish law and I only make definitive statements when I am sure of my ground but I do have one or two observations that might be of interest in this debate. Reading through the translation provided by John Thompson, it seems to me that a number of key phrases stand out:

1. "The regime of stopping and parking will be regulated by municipal ordinance......including time limits for the duration of parking or stopping". This seems to me to be a clear statement that
 
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Ah John. You've got me. Will you tell the Spanish OP his law is no good to him or shall I? Thank God you're on my side. All us motor caravanners should be grateful to you.
 
Canalsman said:
It's here Porthtowan, Truro - Google Maps

If you zoom in you can read the sign clearly ...

Is overnight parking OK here?
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The car park in the fore ground is the village hall car park. This is free but mostly used for folks to stop to go to the P.O, and the village store. There is a surfers shop also. The empty space at the back with 3 cars parked is the waste ground (as we in the village call it). Yes, there is a sign saying No Parking. No one knows who put it up. But every one parks there day or night. To this day there has been no problems. So I would say, Yes you can free park there, any time.
Street Parking to note: 1st Oct: to 1st May, parking is permitted on single single yellow line through out the village.
Toilets in the main car park. Water only available from tap. You can top up your tank if you have a watering can.
 
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John H said:
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1. "The regime of stopping and parking will be regulated by municipal ordinance......including time limits for the duration of parking or stopping". This seems to me to be a clear statement that the central government is delegating such powers to local authorities.

2. "On no account may the municipal ordinance oppose....". Since the document makes no reference to specific rules and regulations regarding parking it looks to me as if this probably means that the local authorities cannot get out of those delegated responsibilities.

3. "Camping and overnight stays are not included.......this agency cannot pronounce...." (section 3.2). So nothing in the document can be taken to refer to overnight stays and so it seems to be going down a cul-de-sac to use it to support any argument for allowing overnighting.

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I agree but there is a proviso.

My short interpretation is that no distinction can be made between a motor car and a motor caravan. All shall be treated the same. I do think distinction can be made on some grounds, I'm not going to look them up, but to do with vehicles maybe causing obstructions and some such.

From memory again, I think that the Spanish OP made pretty well the same claim. Whether you agree or not, I think he was right and I think I am too.

It's interesting that you raise camping and overnight stays. I haven't looked back at my posts but I distinctly remember saying originally that I had received definite impressions from some Spaniards that some, or maybe many, Spanish camping cars now display a notice saying something like, “I'm not camping, I'm parking.” I was in Spain last Autumn and I don't remember seeing any but I wasn't looking.

In fact, now that I look back over your post, I don't really know what you're talking about.
 
maureenandtom said:
Ah John. You've got me. Will you tell the Spanish OP his law is no good to him or shall I? Thank God you're on my side. All us motor caravanners should be grateful to you.
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Nothing changes, I see. Will you never read anything properly before responding? I made it perfectly clear that I was making a few observations, not definitive statements - because I don't know enough about Spanish law. You may be happy to go into battle without checking your gun and thinking you might have bullets in it because that nice man in the pub told you but I prefer to check that they are there - and that they are live. It may or may not be that the document quoted is of use; if it isn't then I'd look around to find one that is. What would you do - or do I already know the answer to that? One thing is for sure - the next time I plan any kind of campaign I wont be inviting you onto the team - I'd rather have some chance of success.

By the way, I assume that because you never responded to the other aspects of my earlier post that you don't disagree with them.
 
David & Ann said:
I checked this aftyernoon and the barrier was closed. Spoke to the attendant, who said during winter they shut it but will be opened again for Easter and stay open until September. He also mentioned if it is closed,(Summer time) blow horn and they will unlock it.
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Thanks for the update - I've added notes to the database :)
 
David & Ann said:
The car park in the fore ground is the village hall car park. This is free but mostly used for folks to stop to go to the P.O, and the village store. There is a surfers shop also. The empty space at the back with 3 cars parked is the waste ground (as we in the village call it). Yes, there is a sign saying No Parking. No one knows who put it up. But every one parks there day or night. To this day there has been no problems. So I would say, Yes you can free park there, any time.
Street Parking to note: 1st Oct: to 1st May, parking is permitted on single single yellow line through out the village.
Toilets in the main car park. Water only available from tap. You can top up your tank if you have a watering can.
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I've added this to the database too - many thanks :)

Chris
 
My “Eh?” could be translated as;

“If there are aspects of your post to which I have not responded, will you please repeat them that I may do so”
 
maureenandtom said:
My “Eh?” could be translated as;

“If there are aspects of your post to which I have not responded, will you please repeat them that I may do so”
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Don't worry maureenandtom I think JOHN H likes to have a go at anyone with an opinion, I tried to communicate with him but I can't seem to get any sense either...keep doing what you are doing, I love you even if he doesn't. xxx
 
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