No overnight parking and the BIG SOCIETY

[LizQ1958]

Although what you did was wrong, it can be said that parking up was better than having an accident; we have driven miles and finding nowhere to stay parked in a layby clearly stating "no overnight parking!" because we were too tired to drive further. Would they then charge you for 'doing the sensible thing'?

Liz

 

[John H]

My point being its all a bit daft. As long as a lone van is parked sensible, with thought for others, overnight and is gone the next day. Where is the harm? I am sure there are a thousand busy bodies who will object, well I am truly sorry they have so little going on in their lives.

I agree - but the original poster admitted criminal damage, which is a bit different.

 

[John H]

A bit differant John bus shelters are useful to the public these signs are not.I hope for your sake you dont get them there in sunny spain.

Its not as simple as that. In my days as a councillor I actually got requests from people to remove bus shelters because they were an eyesore or encouraged urinating drunks or rowdy youths. They may be useful to you but not to others - and if you don't regad something as useful it does not give you the right to commit criminal damage, which is where we came in.

Yes there are similar signs in Spain, yes people ignore them and yes some people tear them down - all of which annoys the authorities even more and as a result, fewer and fewer places along the coast are now open to us. But away from the coast there is not the same problem (probably because there are fewer motorhomes anyway) so that is the way we will be travelling home, stopping legitimately along the way. We probably won't get wi-fi at most of these, so, once again, I will have to bow out of this conversation for a bit after today.

 

[bigpieeater]

Its not as simple as that. In my days as a councillor I actually got requests from people to remove bus shelters because they were an eyesore or encouraged urinating drunks or rowdy youths. They may be useful to you but not to others - and if you don't regad something as useful it does not give you the right to commit criminal damage, which is where we came in.

Yes there are similar signs in Spain, yes people ignore them and yes some people tear them down - all of which annoys the authorities even more and as a result, fewer and fewer places along the coast are now open to us. But away from the coast there is not the same problem (probably because there are fewer motorhomes anyway) so that is the way we will be travelling home, stopping legitimately along the way. We probably won't get wi-fi at most of these, so, once again, I will have to bow out of this conversation for a bit after today.

I think councillor says it all.
My experience of councillors is...not really interested in the real issues that concern the people but will make them selves seen on crap that they can deal with quickly.
For instance, I live next door to a guest house where it has been know to have a 'rowdy' party or two. Do the council give a s*it. NO! But catch you displaying a sign asking the guests to "show some respect" is way out of order.
Do us all a favour..'councillor' and STAY in Spain!

 

[Canalsman]

I think councillor says it all.
My experience of councillors is...not really interested in the real issues that concern the people but will make them selves seen on crap that they can deal with quickly.
For instance, I live next door to a guest house where it has been know to have a 'rowdy' party or two. Do the council give a s*it. NO! But catch you displaying a sign asking the guests to "show some respect" is way out of order.
Do us all a favour..'councillor' and STAY in Spain!

Uncalled for and rude ...

 

[Tbear]

Having seen how (reasonably) law abiding motorhome users are being marginalised by bureaucrats who are doing little to support the manufacturers of motorhomes in this country, I am ashamed that our local car park and lay by are being handed over to those degenerates who engage in public sexual activity.

I live near a Cheshire beauty spot once frequented by Motorhomes where we have been banned, with the ubiquitous signage, for no known reason as far as the local residents can see, unless the council ordered a bulk purchase of them. The area is now popular for "dogging" where cars owners use the venue for casual sex discarding no end of paraphernalia behind when they leave.

The Police are disinterested, the law turns a blind eye but at least we have seen the back of motorhomes.... I hope not. The UK is quite mad you know. We need to take some kind of action because they are most definitely not listening, and have not done so for the 10 years I have had a motorhome.

Our activity needs far greater support from councils to encourage sensible use not ban us.

Hi BecksP

I know just what you mean. I have tried to get a local Aire for some time. Found a perfect spot. Beautiful spot on the banks of the river Nene, toilet, just off an A1 junction, only to find out that the gays, doggers and junkies have taken it over.

Off to France to do a bit of research on the Aires this summer and hope to restart the campaign later in the year. "Parking" are being a bit ignorant at present and ignoring my emails. Hope to send some photos to his boss when I get back. See if I can stir things up a bit.

Sorry for the digression.


Richard

 

[maingate]

I think councillor says it all.
My experience of councillors is...not really interested in the real issues that concern the people but will make them selves seen on crap that they can deal with quickly.
For instance, I live next door to a guest house where it has been know to have a 'rowdy' party or two. Do the council give a s*it. NO! But catch you displaying a sign asking the guests to "show some respect" is way out of order.
Do us all a favour..'councillor' and STAY in Spain!

You have already admitted to being chucked off one m/home forum. I expect the same will happen here eventually with comments like that.

 

[Deleted member 775]

Uncalled for and rude ...

i agree totaly uncalled for ,there is no need for nastyness not on here .

 

[maureenandtom]

Well, it's not too bad. It's not like he was called a thieving, hypocritical lawbreaker. We didn't bother ourselves too much when the OP was so accused. Why are we being selective?

This sort of comment goes with being a politician, isn't that right?

 

[Coolasluck]

Got to say,John H, i think being a councilor would have been something i would have kept to myself

Maybe thats why he is spending most of his time in sunny spain,couldnt be he is there on the back of expenses could it. lol


At least we can have a heated debate here without the thread closing now,a return to the good old days!! Excellent!

 

[Coolasluck]

Hi BecksP

I know just what you mean. I have tried to get a local Aire for some time. Found a perfect spot. Beautiful spot on the banks of the river Nene, toilet, just off an A1 junction, only to find out that the gays, doggers and junkies have taken it over.

Off to France to do a bit of research on the Aires this summer and hope to restart the campaign later in the year. "Parking" are being a bit ignorant at present and ignoring my emails. Hope to send some photos to his boss when I get back. See if I can stir things up a bit.

Sorry for the digression.


Richard

Becks and T-bear i understand you both completely,we have had 2 incidents whilst wilding one was the hot hatch variety and the other was doggers and weirdos.
If only we could have law and order in this country and one that would see these freaks in court and then to have to sign the sex offenders register.Then again rapists seem to have more rights than us,just release them to reoffend,bloody great aint it,this is modern day britain.Nobody seems to give a toss.I personally would not wild near a public toilet and tend to avoid a lot of car parks.I think you need to have a happy medium where you wild away from a major town and well away from a main trunk road,the incident we came accross was off the a38.If stuck i would advise a nice peaceful road in a nice part of the town i think you would have a better nights sleep,there is nothing worse than being on edge to give you a restless nights kip.

 

[bigpieeater]

Uncalled for and rude ...

I can only assume that you have had no problem with your local council? Maybe you'll change your mind when you do.

 

[bigpieeater]

Becks and T-bear i understand you both completely,we have had 2 incidents whilst wilding one was the hot hatch variety and the other was doggers and weirdos.
If only we could have law and order in this country and one that would see these freaks in court and then to have to sign the sex offenders register.Then again rapists seem to have more rights than us,just release them to reoffend,bloody great aint it,this is modern day britain.Nobody seems to give a toss.I personally would not wild near a public toilet and tend to avoid a lot of car parks.I think you need to have a happy medium where you wild away from a major town and well away from a main trunk road,the incident we came accross was off the a38.If stuck i would advise a nice peaceful road in a nice part of the town i think you would have a better nights sleep,there is nothing worse than being on edge to give you a restless nights kip.

Carefull coolasluck, they don't like people to have an opinion.

 

[Deleted member 775]

i agree with tbear there are some lovely overnight places that have been taken over with the low lives he mentioned all three of them , but that should be delt with by the police first off and then by the council .,there was one such layby near us ,secluded nicely off the road and guess what full of undesireables but the local council have cut all the trees down and solved that problem and the local cops park up there now .as for keeping your past employment a secret no i used to be in the west yorkshire police caused me untold problems in the past but i would never deny the fact .so why should an ex councelor do so. by the way we have never had any greif from the council or police for that matter .but the doggers druggies and the lower end of the gay comunity notice i say lower end not the decent ones that keep there relationships were they should be, and the hot hatch brigade these are the ones that we ought to be sorting out not the silly little notices the councils put up that dont realy affect us . ps as for having an opinion we all have that and have voiced it on lots of posts thats why we have forums

 

[zipnolan]

On my recent visit to Germany I was asked by 3 fellow campervaners that they would love to visit the UK (due to recent showing of the "Coast" series in Germany) and what was it like ?
Well I told them not to bother because of our "no overnight" rules and expensive rip-off campsites and just to prove myself right on my return I found a fine for £50 sitting on the mat because I slept for 5 1/4hrs on some MOTO services on the M2, it was at midnight and the carpark was totaly empty, it was raining/windy at the time and I thought for safety reasons to pull over and grab some shut eye. The "stelleplatz" sceme and the "Aires" sceme puts us to shame and I hang my head in shame when telling others not to visit us because they will come away with a bad taste in their mouths.

 

[bigpieeater]

i agree with tbear there are some lovely overnight places that have been taken over with the low lives he mentioned all three of them , but that should be delt with by the police first off and then by the council .,there was one such layby near us ,secluded nicely off the road and guess what full of undesireables but the local council have cut all the trees down and solved that problem and the local cops park up there now .as for keeping your past employment a secret no i used to be in the west yorkshire police caused me untold problems in the past but i would never deny the fact .so why should an ex councelor do so. by the way we have never had any greif from the council or police for that matter .but the doggers druggies and the lower end of the gay comunity notice i say lower end not the decent ones that keep there relationships were they should be, and the hot hatch brigade these are the ones that we ought to be sorting out not the silly little notices the councils put up that dont realy affect us . ps as for having an opinion we all have that and have voiced it on lots of posts thats why we have forums

OH MY GOD. Not another opinion. I can't wait to get home tonight to see what the P.C. Brigade make of this one. I can almost hear the taking of deep breathes as I type, I can imagine the 'crows feet' wrinkles in their forehead as they hammer on their keyboards. Mandrake, You will get someone telling you that you have been rude..or..embrace these people...or live and let live..or something equally P.C. and nonsense.
Keep the opinions coming all you who still believe in the freedom of speech and still believe that we still live in a democratic country.

 

[David & Ann]

On my recent visit to Germany I was asked by 3 fellow campervaners that they would love to visit the UK (due to recent showing of the "Coast" series in Germany) and what was it like ?
Well I told them not to bother because of our "no overnight" rules and expensive rip-off campsites and just to prove myself right on my return I found a fine for £50 sitting on the mat because I slept for 5 1/4hrs on some MOTO services on the M2, it was at midnight and the carpark was totaly empty, it was raining/windy at the time and I thought for safety reasons to pull over and grab some shut eye. The "stelleplatz" sceme and the "Aires" sceme puts us to shame and I hang my head in shame when telling others not to visit us because they will come away with a bad taste in their mouths.

This is the only Country in the world that I know of, that charges parking on a Highway rest stop. Disgraceful.

 

[Deleted member 775]

yes the motorway services are theives rouges and vagabonds not only with the parking but the food and petrol prices well if you can call rubber bacon and eggs food its not only motor homes and car owners they fleece but think off a trucker that may have no option but to stop because he has run out of driving time he will have no option but to stop on one of these parking areas we can push on untill we find a slip road off the motorway and park in a layby

 

[maureenandtom]

Look, we're talking about “parking” here, yes? Specifically about parking of motor homes but it's just parking, yes?

Medway council lose more than 90% of appeals against their parking tickets.

These councils have figures not too different. Nationally, councils lose 70%.

1. Chorley, Lancs - 96%
2. Sevenoaks, Kent - 95%
3. Medway - 91%
4. Maidstone, Kent - 90%
5. East Sussex - 88%
6. NW Leicestershire - 88%
7. Worcester - 85%
7. Gateshead - 85%
9. Slough - 84%
10.Charnwood, Leics - 84%

Now, why or why in the face of official figures showing that, nationally, almost three quarters of appealed parking tickets have been incompetently applied by councils …?

Why, or why do some of us believe that when it comes to camping cars rather than just cars the council reverse their normal incompetence and get it right 100% of the time?

Why, or why do we do that? The only answer that I come up with is that we are frightened to challenge them. We're frightened also of those among us who will accuse us of spoiling it for the rest of them.

Any other theories?

Parking tribunal chief tells councils to show common sense - Telegraph

 

[Tbear]

i agree with tbear there are some lovely overnight places that have been taken over with the low lives he mentioned all three of them , but that should be delt with by the police first off and then by the council .,there was one such layby near us ,secluded nicely off the road and guess what full of undesireables but the local council have cut all the trees down and solved that problem and the local cops park up there now .as for keeping your past employment a secret no i used to be in the west yorkshire police caused me untold problems in the past but i would never deny the fact .so why should an ex councelor do so. by the way we have never had any greif from the council or police for that matter .but the doggers druggies and the lower end of the gay comunity notice i say lower end not the decent ones that keep there relationships were they should be, and the hot hatch brigade these are the ones that we ought to be sorting out not the silly little notices the councils put up that dont realy affect us . ps as for having an opinion we all have that and have voiced it on lots of posts thats why we have forums

Hi Mandrake

Thanks for the correction. I should have clearly stated that it was the "lower end", of the Gay community, got a bit carried away. I did not want to offend any of the gay members of the forum. Sorry if I did.

Richard