New rules limiting gatherings to 6

[Tookey]

We should probably stop with this before we get started!

 

[mark61]

The "plandemic" theory holds as much water as the "flat earth" conspiracy, where every government is hiding the "truth".

That assumes the government know the truth.

 

[mark61]

I agree. Apart from the lack of obvious motive, my argument against conspiracy theories is that I don't believe there is enough collective wit or intelligence around to sustain such a conspiracy. Take a look at our current government, for example, who bumble from one crisis to another, can't agree amongst themselves and seem not to have any plan at all. How long do you think they could sustain a conspiracy? And it is the same with most organisations, business or otherwise, that I have had dealings with in my life.

Bumbling from one crisis to another is all part of the plan,

Well it could be, I don't know

 

[wildebus]

.....and still continues not to add up

That event surely is propaganda gold for Trump to rally his nationalist rednecks and he doesn't use it, odd

If it happened during the term of a Democratic President, I have no doubt it would figure large.

 

[Apollo 13]

Back to the original question about the overland show, Gadget John released a YouTube message 3 days ago saying that the meeting has been cancelled.

 

[st3v3]

In terms of conspiracies, the only one I still cannot dismiss for sure is the 9/11 one and building collapses, especially the third one that collapsed seemingly all on its own without being hit by anything.

You mean WTC7? It had a f'kin great big hole in it lol.

 

[mark61]

I don't know anything about engineering and I was unaware of a third building but it seems to me that if two large objects start to fall apart then the vibrations alone would undermine anything around.

I think it was flying debris that bought the third building down.
Unless thats another conspiracy, I really don't know.

 

[Aly]

It is interesting that Sweden, the only country in Europe that didn't impose lockdown, is about to be added to the list of safe countries to visit but France and Spain, which have had some of the most severe lockdown measures, are not. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, so it must just be a gigantic cock-up somewhere along the line

Not locking down involved people using their common sense and maintaining social distancing. Unfortunately a large proportion of the GBP don’t seem to have any common sense or consideration of others.

 

[John H]

Not locking down involved people using their common sense and maintaining social distancing. Unfortunately a large proportion of the GBP don’t seem to have any common sense or consideration of others.

True - but I've seen pictures of people in Sweden ignoring distancing and gathering in large crowds, so bad behaviour isn't limited to one society. I just find it interesting that the spread of the virus seems to be most rapid in Europe at the moment in countries which had the most severe lockdowns. Maybe there is something in the herd-immunity principle. I don't see how else to explain why Sweden seems to be coming out of this better than others.

 

[mark61]

True - but I've seen pictures of people in Sweden ignoring distancing and gathering in large crowds, so bad behaviour isn't limited to one society. I just find it interesting that the spread of the virus seems to be most rapid in Europe at the moment in countries which had the most severe lockdowns. Maybe there is something in the herd-immunity principle. I don't see how else to explain why Sweden seems to be coming out of this better than others.

Agree, I have cousins in Finland, Sweden and Denmark. Barring crossing roads ( they think it very odd that people in the UK cross roads anywhere) they are no more compliant, or lets say not much more, than here and they certainly have their share of bad behaviour.

 

[yorkieowl]

And just to make the gatherings of no more than six clearer than mud, it all depends on where you live as England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales ALL have a different take on things. The mind boggles.

 

[yorkieowl]

Never mind the gatherings of over six, we now have 2 primary schools in Kirklees with positive Covid cases, they’ve only been back a week!!!

 

[runnach]

Never mind the gatherings of over six, we now have 2 primary schools in Kirklees with positive Covid cases, they’ve only been back a week!!!

That comes as absolutely no surprise....

 

[mickymost]

That comes as absolutely no surprise....

Why?Thought it didnt affect the younger ones the same?

 

[runnach]

Why?Thought it didnt affect the younger ones the same?

Perhaps not, but affects elders like grandparents the don’t seem to fair so well

Then kids kept in bubbles at school is fine but knock around together out of school mixing again with elders, common sense to me at least they are ripe for carrying and spreading the virus

 

[mickymost]

Looking at the news it seems many all over the Country arent taking or intend to take notice of the 6 person rule.Beaches crowded again.Groups in parks and rivers enjoying the sunshine and some when questioned say they have had enough of this ridiculous situation and are going to do their own thing.Even Boris and the Govt had said fines wont be issued for a while.

 

[wildebus]

And just to make the gatherings of no more than six clearer than mud, it all depends on where you live as England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales ALL have a different take on things. The mind boggles.

Different situations, different rules. Why are people surprised? In most countries, different rules have been implemented in different regions. Australia varies from state to state, as does Germany. What makes the UK any different just because the word "United" is in the name?

 

[barryd]

True - but I've seen pictures of people in Sweden ignoring distancing and gathering in large crowds, so bad behaviour isn't limited to one society. I just find it interesting that the spread of the virus seems to be most rapid in Europe at the moment in countries which had the most severe lockdowns. Maybe there is something in the herd-immunity principle. I don't see how else to explain why Sweden seems to be coming out of this better than others.

I read something the other day that said in Sweden people have just religiously followed the social distancing rules. I know you said you saw pictures of people ignoring them but perhaps they were isolated. It kind of makes sense. The more severely locked down you were the more likely you were to get sick of it and feel let of the leash when that was relaxed. If you were not locked down but strict rules enforced that are pretty much the same throughout then maybe you get used to them and they just become the norm. There cannot really be any other explanation. If numbers of infections are down it can only be because people are not getting close to each other. I dont know what their track and trace procedure is like but clearly ours is maybe not so "world beating" after all.

There has been a perception I think that it was somehow all over. Clearly its not.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Different situations, different rules. Why are people surprised? In most countries, different rules have been implemented in different regions. Australia varies from state to state, as does Germany. What makes the UK any different just because the word "United" is in the name?

I'm not surprised, just baffled as to how they think any of these arbitrary 'rules' are making any difference in the long run?

For example, I can understand why, when you need to step outside your front door for whatever reason - work, health, shopping etc. - that some sensible health and safety practices could be useful, and can be more easily monitored. Social distancing, masks, hand sanitising etc.

But stop and think about the whole shebang and it is simply an impossible situation.

The bottom line is that the govt. are using blunt (and extremely draconian) methods in an attempt to control a killer variant of the common cold that is never going back in the box.

Lock up, fine or restrict your citizens, but they should at least have the common decency to balance what they're expecting us all to do by honouring the bargain at their end, i.e. get this test & trace system up and working properly. Otherwise all of us are left taking more and more pain (in a multitude of senses!) because of a govt. who appear to be continuing to organise parties in dry breweries.

It's no wonder that people are feeling increasingly frustrated, bemused and confused.
I'm surprised that you are surprised that people are surprised and confused at the different rules!

 

[yorkieowl]

Different situations, different rules. Why are people surprised? In most countries, different rules have been implemented in different regions. Australia varies from state to state, as does Germany. What makes the UK any different just because the word "United" is in the name?

I can understand the reasoning behind local restrictions/lockdowns, but for ie. Scotland to be different overall rules to England makes no sense whatsoever, especially the groups under 6 with/without kids. A lot of people get confused easy enough as it is, if it’s to do with the ‘experts’ agreeing then bang their darned heads together and get on with it. Me personally - I’ll listen then do what I consider safe for us, which is a sight better than what I’m being asked/told to do! But then I was always, over safety conscious, I should have worked for Health and Safety, I would have been very popular. Not.