Morrisons ( REFUSE TO FILL LPG)

[barryd]

If the above cause is the real reason for this MFG ban, then we only have those selfish few who buy these illegal devices on-line for filling non refillable bottles. Minority spoil is for the majority................AGAIN!!

Thats what people are saying it was but who knows? I think it might have been two incidents as well not just the Doncaster fire.

Its one reason I didn't spend a fortune on a fixed Alko kit tank or twin Gaslow bottles and just went for one with a Calor backup. It always seemed like its days were numbered here at least but I thought that would be down to it just disappearing.

 

[Fazerloz]

Maybe a few too many reached out to MFG and made them look further into it all for something to put in a thread, thanks MYOFB.

A case of don''t poke a hornets nest with a stick. Just leave well alone. It will not be just Morrisons.

 

[Fisherman]

Bill, you definitely had it all thought out when you spec’d out your new and current camper

It should be happening now Terry. If manufacturers supplied their vans with large lithium batteries, diesel combis, and adequate solar as standard instead of ripping us off then it would be the norm. An induction hob replacing gas hob, and possibly a microwave if you want an oven. 350ah lithiums are about £350-400 now, and solar panels are cheap as chips. Gas is hazardous, heavy, takes up valuable space, and requires testing and maintenance. And now folks with refillable tanks are struggling to get them filled.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

The issue with manufacturers generally is they don't build to a wild campers spec. I'm sure a lot could be spec'd if you buy new and are prepared to pay for bespoke and wait longer than normal.

 

[barryd]

The issue with manufacturers generally is they don't build to a wild campers spec. I'm sure a lot could be spec'd if you buy new and are prepared to pay for bespoke and wait longer than normal.

Yep. Swift are bloody useless at this. I have six berth humongous motorhome. Its got 240v sockets everywhere. Guess how many 12v sockets it has as default? Feckin one!!! I still need to fit one up front under the dinette at some point. The two heavy duty trailing ones Merl fitted have been very useful.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Yes, this only came with one 12v in the hab.

 

[exwindsurfer]

I think I have about 11 12v sockets around the van I might be a bit over the top but what the heck lololol

 

[mark61]

I got 4 or 5 I hardly use, the other 5 come in handy though.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I have half a dozen in the back bedroom, I haven't got around to fitting.

 

[Fisherman]

The issue with manufacturers generally is they don't build to a wild campers spec. I'm sure a lot could be spec'd if you buy new and are prepared to pay for bespoke and wait longer than normal.

Kev I don’t reckon making a van operate gas free has anything to do with wild camping. It’s more about removing what can be a hazardous substance which takes up a lot of space, is heavy requires maintenance, and can be expensive if using Calor. Having gas free vans would benefit everyone.

 

[TJBi]

2 in the cab, 1 in the hab, 1 in the garage as original (2009) fitments. A double 12V socket added in the hab, plus 2 double USB sockets.

 

[mistericeman]

Kev I don’t reckon making a van operate gas free has anything to do with wild camping. It’s more about removing what can be a hazardous substance which takes up a lot of space, is heavy requires maintenance, and can be expensive if using Calor. Having gas free vans would benefit everyone.

I'd wager most vans/motorhomes spend the bulk of their time on umbilical hook up...

So manufacturers by and large don't need to innovate or get involved in fitting solar etc suspect they just see it as unnecessary.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Kev I don’t reckon making a van operate gas free has anything to do with wild camping. It’s more about removing what can be a hazardous substance which takes up a lot of space, is heavy requires maintenance, and can be expensive if using Calor. Having gas free vans would benefit everyone.

True, I was more thinking about the reliance on EHU, and needing more solar and Lithium, plus the option to add more batteries and having the space to do it, not to mention the minuscule LPG lockers.

 

[Fisherman]

True, I was more thinking about the reliance on EHU, and needing more solar and Lithium, plus the option to add more batteries and having the space to do it, not to mention the minuscule LPG lockers.

Well look at the space saved in not requiring a gas locker Kev. My vans gas locker takes up one third of the garage, it’s takes two 13kg Calor. I only run with a13 and a 6kg. I appreciate this would not apply to underslung tanks. Also think of the money saved not having to install a gas system in a van.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I like the convenience of gas, I'd prefer a tank so I could have the locker for storage, I would like to have more solar and plenty of lithium to enable a microwave etc.

 

[barryd]

Kev I don’t reckon making a van operate gas free has anything to do with wild camping. It’s more about removing what can be a hazardous substance which takes up a lot of space, is heavy requires maintenance, and can be expensive if using Calor. Having gas free vans would benefit everyone.

I remain unconvinced though that gas free is going to be that easy for someone with our style of camping. Diesel heaters and water heating use more 12v power than gas ones, electric cookers use a lot of power and then there is a large compressor fridge. I reckon for say three weeks in one spot and especially if you need heating as well thats a lot lithium and solar you are going to need. Its definitely the way its going but I just can't get my head around just how much power and solar you would need. There are very few real world motorhomers I have come across who camp like we do who have been able to tell me what their set up is and if its up to the job.

 

[Greengrass]

Trotter thought he would go gasless but he is glad he did't not enough sun shine to charge his batteries on his last trip to France,
Look at how many new out lets for LPG have started up around Birmingham because the taxi drivers are going over to LPG note the price has dropped about 76p Lt Just had a look on Autogas app 64p 66p 67p there must be some thing we are missing

 

[edina]

We made our latest van gas free and it’s one of the best decisions we have made. Anyone going to do it needs to work out their needs and make sure they have enough battery storage and enough means of charging. I’ve seen a few where folk have made half hearted attempts and complained when it fails them, it needs to be calculated properly!
(We have 900+ ah of battery, 50amp b2b and 860w of solar)

 

[Nabsim]

It should be happening now Terry. If manufacturers supplied their vans with large lithium batteries, diesel combis, and adequate solar as standard instead of ripping us off then it would be the norm. An induction hob replacing gas hob, and possibly a microwave if you want an oven. 350ah lithiums are about £350-400 now, and solar panels are cheap as chips. Gas is hazardous, heavy, takes up valuable space, and requires testing and maintenance. And now folks with refillable tanks are struggling to get them filled.

It doesn't get round the problem of year round use in the UK though going all electric. You will need to use sites, use a generator or use EV charge points to stay wilding unless driving an awful lot.

Not sure how the weight actually compares either, solar panels and cable weight adds up, inverters can be very heavy as you get bigger. Only the battery weight that's come down really.

I do realise if you live in an area with little access to to LPG and only use the van in those areas then yes you could struggle to get gas. I have never yet struggled to get any and I am always in the UK. I could always hook a Calor or Flow Gas etc bottle if I was one of those who never went where there is LPG.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

We made our latest van gas free and it’s one of the best decisions we have made. Anyone going to do it needs to work out their needs and make sure they have enough battery storage and enough means of charging. I’ve seen a few where folk have made half hearted attempts and complained when it fails them, it needs to be calculated properly!
(We have 900+ ah of battery, 50amp b2b and 860w of solar)

Yeah, but what has the van got Chris.