Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

[landoboguy]

Point of my thread was to highlight the fact that this was done remotely without the new owners knowledge or consent. Surely you can agree that that kind of technology is not healthy.....

Yes if thats true Greg I certainly agree

 

[landoboguy]

U
NASA has admitted that the increase in CO2 has resulted in the extra greening of the Earth equivalent to an area twice the size of America over the past 35 years. See link https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

Its not just c02 though, its lots of far worse gasses.
Heres a test for you, create your own mini atmosphere in your own garage, seal all the windows doors etc,fill it with lovely oxygen, then chuck in a farting cow, a mini factory producing sulphur, and then start your car and see how long you can stay in there.

Cmon man, be real, do you agree with all the smog shutting down cities, would you wild camp there

 

[Fisherman]

Its not just c02 though, its lots of far worse gasses.
Heres a test for you, create your own mini atmosphere in your own garage, seal all the windows doors etc,fill it with lovely oxygen, then chuck in a farting cow, a mini factory producing sulphur, and then start your car and see how long you can stay in there.

Cmon man, be real, do you agree with all the smog shutting down cities, would you wild camp there

CO2 poses a risk to the whole planet.
The other stuff is more localised within cities and large towns.
Hence restrictions being placed on petrol and diesel vehicles by many towns and cities.

 

[korky]

Unlikely any of the current government will be around in 2035 - this announcement is virtue signalling at its most destructive. I read recently that building the land based wind turbines required the felling of 3.9 million trees in Scotland. Is that being green?
NASA has admitted that the increase in CO2 has resulted in the extra greening of the Earth equivalent to an area twice the size of America over the past 35 years. See link https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
It cannot be argued against - the actual evidence shows producing CO2 greens the Earth.
The belief in man made climate change is just another pseudo religion about the end of the world due to our sinful lives - just another ridiculous death cult.
Hopefully politicians will soon jump off the band wagon before the UK is utterly destroyed by the madness.

Like I said,I love a good laugh me.

 

[Owlhouse]

Alarmist scientists ? you think they want global warming. Nobody wants global warming. Well almost nobody.
Everyone claims the BBC are biased, but what have they got to do with global warming.
All they do is report what is given to them. they don't make scientific judgments.
Global temperatures have increased over the last 20 years.
But I suppose you will put that down to adjustment to the figures, and or wrongly and bias reporting from the BBC.

The world has been warming quite nicely since the end of the little ice age. I think I would rather have a couple of degrees up from that period. Even the IPCC admit (reluctantly) that there is a pause in the warming over the last twenty years and yet China and India have been pumping out lots more Co2. Yes again the claim is warming- but only in the models with their adjusted data.
The BBC bias - they steadfastly refuse to allow any skeptic views at all. Yes they do make scientific judgments. Their reporters are continually peddling climate change yet are proven wrong time and time again. No retractions or explanation; just hiding heads in sand.
I used to think global warming was a problem until I looked properly at what claims were being made. The more I delved the more it was obvious that a lot of misinformation was being peddled.

 

[barge1914]

Wave oe estury power will make lots of lecy twice a day with the tide.

Yes, surprised more effort hasn’t been put into this, with our coastline and tide patterns there’s always somewhere where the tide is rising or falling. And unlike sun and wind it never takes a day off.

 

[trevskoda]

Those where the good old days, when cars where forever breaking down.

None of mine broke,you must have been driving ford or bmc as that was common,not for Skoda.

 

[barge1914]

I almost went for the I pace Marie as I'm getting rid of an F Pace they are smart. Just felt this was for me a little more.
Like your sisters fella u mentioned I've been a 4 x 4 guy for years so we shall see.

But I'm looking forward to going to bed and waking up with a full tank after plugging in. Only time will tell so let's see.

Yes, for the motoring our little 4x4 diesel panda (bought just before they became a dirty word) does nowadays electric would be ideal. Sadly with less than 10000 on the clock in 6 years, and our general state of antiquity, I really can’t justify the investment...we’d be pushing up the daisies before we broke even. Besides, I’ve yet to see a 4x4 electric car that would get up our road when it snows.

 

[Fisherman]

The world has been warming quite nicely since the end of the little ice age. I think I would rather have a couple of degrees up from that period. Even the IPCC admit (reluctantly) that there is a pause in the warming over the last twenty years and yet China and India have been pumping out lots more Co2. Yes again the claim is warming- but only in the models with their adjusted data.
The BBC bias - they steadfastly refuse to allow any skeptic views at all. Yes they do make scientific judgments. Their reporters are continually peddling climate change yet are proven wrong time and time again. No retractions or explanation; just hiding heads in sand.
I used to think global warming was a problem until I looked properly at what claims were being made. The more I delved the more it was obvious that a lot of misinformation was being peddled.

 

[trevskoda]

The world was a lot hotter many moons back.

 

[2cv]

The world was a lot hotter many moons back.View attachment 76333

And undoubtedly it will be again.

 

[Fazerloz]

Like all parents and grandparents I am always concerned for my children and my grandchildren, I find it strange that you highlighted the word if in that sentence. You mention that I use a Diesel engine in my Motorhome, like Just about everyone else on here I do so because presently nothing else is available, but if at some point in the future electric Motorhomes become viable and available within my budget, I would buy one. But at my age I doubt if that will be possible. But I am very much considering an electric car in 2021.
You could have mentioned turning on my gas central heating, eating red meat, buying hardwood furniture, use of plastics everyday, flying abroad, taking a bus or train, over use of electricity, extending the worlds population by having these children in the first place, the list goes on and on.
I am not 100% sure about global warming, but it seems you are.
For me the risks are to great to simply dismiss and ignore, or to become paranoid about the intentions of others.

t
I gave you my thoughts on children and grand children in post # 91.
You are not forced to have a diesel MH, petrols are available just a more limited choice. There are plenty of American RVs with petrol engines.
You are right i am 100% sure global warming is happening at this time. Nowhere have i said it isn't, but what i don't believe is EVs are the answer. Nobody has come up with a answer as far as been green about the supply and recycling/disposal of the batteries. There are approx 1 billion cars on the roads of the world should there be only a 25% take up of EVs that's still 250,000,000 batteries to make, recycle dispose of.
Most car batteries are made in China, South Korea and Japan, where the use of carbon in electricity production is relatively high. An EEA report found that in China, 35-50% of total EV manufacturing emissions arise from electricity consumption for battery production. These emissions are up to three times higher than in the United States.
Volkswagen introduced a scheme in 2019 which it believes will see 97% of all the raw materials used in new EV batteries reused by 2040.
The cynic in me tells me we can all believe what VW tells us. and thats another 20 years to fully implement and just one manufacturer.
I also believe global warming is a extremely convenient excuse to extract money from the public by using fear for the future. As in LEZs in cities whilst still expanding airports at the same time. If govs were really trying to reduce carbon footprints they would be also wanting to reduce air traffic not increase it and that is only one example of many should anyone choose to look. That's why i say it is money/business driven and not just a matter of saving the planet.

 

[runnach]

Tesla recharging a new owner surprised me at first but upon reflection mainstream manufacturers charge for software flashes when required also subscription needs to be paid to keep trackers active so little difference .

The idea of upgrading software without visiting a dealer does on face value seem attractive.

In my motor trade days , I worjked for Volvo truck and bus ....2002 time they were developing a satellite system which tracked a truck and made various power available eg, steady away on the m1 zap 380 bhp....same truck pulling towards Glasgow dial in 500 bhp...the idea being it would save fuel, with the proposed increase in satellites don’t be surprised if we see similar technology introduced

 

[mark61]

Of course it's about money. But money is just a more acceptable word for control.

 

[Fisherman]

t
I gave you my thoughts on children and grand children in post # 91.
You are not forced to have a diesel MH, petrols are available just a more limited choice. There are plenty of American RVs with petrol engines.
You are right i am 100% sure global warming is happening at this time. Nowhere have i said it isn't, but what i don't believe is EVs are the answer. Nobody has come up with a answer as far as been green about the supply and recycling/disposal of the batteries. There are approx 1 billion cars on the roads of the world should there be only a 25% take up of EVs that's still 250,000,000 batteries to make, recycle dispose of.
Most car batteries are made in China, South Korea and Japan, where the use of carbon in electricity production is relatively high. An EEA report found that in China, 35-50% of total EV manufacturing emissions arise from electricity consumption for battery production. These emissions are up to three times higher than in the United States.
Volkswagen introduced a scheme in 2019 which it believes will see 97% of all the raw materials used in new EV batteries reused by 2040.
The cynic in me tells me we can all believe what VW tells us. and thats another 20 years to fully implement and just one manufacturer.
I also believe global warming is a extremely convenient excuse to extract money from the public by using fear for the future. As in LEZs in cities whilst still expanding airports at the same time. If govs were really trying to reduce carbon footprints they would be also wanting to reduce air traffic not increase it and that is only one example of many should anyone choose to look. That's why i say it is money/business driven and not just a matter of saving the planet.

Petrol produces 25-30% more CO2 than diesel. Why would I buy a petrol Motorhome. That’s why not so long ago we were told to buy diesel. And also were did I say I was forced to do anything. I have not been forced to do anything.

 

[runnach]

My recollection of fuel changes was different namely a lot of cars were running on leaded fuel , the lead content also worked as a last lubricant for valves we were told it was bad as the particles it emitted were bad for our health and diesel was cleaner emitting hydro carbons.

Zoom forward and we were told the lead in furel attaches itself to hydro carbons in the atmosphere so made it as bad as the lead albeit the innocent party

Once cat converters were common and cars could run on unleaded the advent of egr valves etc the pendulum swing back in the favour of unleaded so did the fuel prices to negate the better economy of diesels


The Aa and RAC at the time were suggesting the majority of breakdowns were ignition related the diesel system simpler held a lot of appeal until they started buggering about with dpf filters.

At the time motorists have always been persecuted the real offenders the coal fired power stations and use of CFC in aerosols and refrigeration

I think there is enough evidence to suggest global warming is an issue, but remain unconvinced in tackling it we are approaching the subject in the most effective way .sadly whilst ever governments are puppets of commerce vested interests and money making becomes skewed. Curtailing pollution in China India and other parts of south east Asia and to an extent developing Africa may well seem a great idea , resistance will always remain with emerging economies and an understandable desire to match wealthy economies like our own

 

[Fisherman]

The world has been warming quite nicely since the end of the little ice age. I think I would rather have a couple of degrees up from that period. Even the IPCC admit (reluctantly) that there is a pause in the warming over the last twenty years and yet China and India have been pumping out lots more Co2. Yes again the claim is warming- but only in the models with their adjusted data.
The BBC bias - they steadfastly refuse to allow any skeptic views at all. Yes they do make scientific judgments. Their reporters are continually peddling climate change yet are proven wrong time and time again. No retractions or explanation; just hiding heads in sand.
I used to think global warming was a problem until I looked properly at what claims were being made. The more I delved the more it was obvious that a lot of misinformation was being peddled.

First and foremost the world has not been warming up since the end of the last ice age around 12000 years ago. There have been many little ice ages during that period the last one taking place in the 19th century. But the period between 1300 and 1870 Europe suffered colder winters than were normal. During the last little ice age for three winters the Thames froze solid and people were ice skating on it. During the 17th century the English Channel froze. These ice ages were the result of reduced sun spot activity from the sun. And ironically we are overdue another major ice age. However if another ice occurs most of the the uk will be covered in ice up to a depth of around 3-400 m. So global warming woukd no longer be a issue. One bonus would be easier access to Europe as the English Chanel would no longer exist, and you could drive to France

Here we go again BBC bias, so owlhouse are you stating that the BBC are the only media outlet to support the the evidence around global warming. I cannot think of one tv Chanel or national newspaper who support your views. So why blame just the BBC. The evidence is so overwhelming that to deny global warming is happening is like questioning who won the premier league last season.

As for you delving into the claims about global warming and then deciding it’s all a rouge riddled with misinformation, well if that’s your opinion fair enough.
But remember if you are wrong we are all screwed, whereas if we take measures to prevent this that prove to have been unnecessary then we end up with a cleaner planet. I know which ending I prefer.

 

[Fazerloz]

Petrol produces 25-30% more CO2 than diesel. Why would I buy a petrol Motorhome. That’s why not so long ago we were told to buy diesel. And also were did I say I was forced to do anything. I have not been forced to do anything.

OK forced a wrong choice of words.

You said " I do so because presently nothing else is available, ". That is plainly wrong. You could buy a petrol but run on much friendlier LPG. Even if its not very convenient and you couldn't run it all the time overall it might work out better than diesel after all we are saving the planet for our offspring so we should put up with a little inconvenience for their sake.
LPG produces 33% less CO2 emissions than petrol and 45% less CO2 than diesel. LPG vehicles produce up to 82% less Nitrogen Oxide pollutants than petrol and 99% better than diesel ! 63% less Carbon Monoxide. 40% less Hydrocarbons than petrol and 70% less than diesel.

Which is more polluting petrol or diesel?
If we are to go by the current technology , diesel engines are more polluting than petrol engines(with catalytic converters). ... Diesel fuel contains more energy per litre than petrol and coupled with the fact that diesel engines are more efficient than petrol engines, diesel cars are more efficient to run.
There is a big difference between efficient and polluting .
Believe what you will.

 

[Fisherman]

OK forced a wrong choice of words.

You said " I do so because presently nothing else is available, ". That is plainly wrong. You could buy a petrol but run on much friendlier LPG. Even if its not very convenient and you couldn't run it all the time overall it might work out better than diesel after all we are saving the planet for our offspring so we should put up with a little inconvenience for their sake.
LPG produces 33% less CO2 emissions than petrol and 45% less CO2 than diesel. LPG vehicles produce up to 82% less Nitrogen Oxide pollutants than petrol and 99% better than diesel ! 63% less Carbon Monoxide. 40% less Hydrocarbons than petrol and 70% less than diesel.

Sorry but I have a Motorhome not a camper van.
I have quickly scoured through this months MMM and I cannot see even one petrol or LPG powered Motorhome. Every Motorhome is powered by various Diesel engines. Also when choosing a Motorhome like most our priority is the habitation area and not the engine. I would have preferred a Mercedes engine in my current Motorhome, but the choice was limited to fiat Ducatto. So even if you can show me a single petrol or lpg powered Motorhome, I doubt if it would meet our needs.

 

[trevskoda]

Tesla recharging a new owner surprised me at first but upon reflection mainstream manufacturers charge for software flashes when required also subscription needs to be paid to keep trackers active so little difference .

The idea of upgrading software without visiting a dealer does on face value seem attractive.

In my motor trade days , I worjked for Volvo truck and bus ....2002 time they were developing a satellite system which tracked a truck and made various power available eg, steady away on the m1 zap 380 bhp....same truck pulling towards Glasgow dial in 500 bhp...the idea being it would save fuel, with the proposed increase in satellites don’t be surprised if we see similar technology introduced

Woriked,listening to ABBA again.