Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

[Fisherman]

Thing is you can buy a used diesel car for a few hundred quid. Electric cars won't be that accessible to the man with little money for a long time, if at all....

Gregg, If electric cars and vans are never affordable to the public, just think what that would do to our economy.
They will become affordable, they simply have too.

 

[in h]

I don't see there been a big market for 10 year old EVs and the cost of battery replacement.

I think there will be a huge market for secondhand EVs. A bit like secondhand motorhomes, in fact.

 

[Fisherman]

I am sure you are right and this is the way we are heading but one thing i will not get used to is been screwed over by lying politicians and the like in the name of money. Which i think is the driving force of all this.

Faz, we are being screwed right now.
When you buy a car you get charged VAT, if the car retails at £40,000 or more, you pay £2135 road tax first year. When you go to the filling station you pay VAT on tax, and 80% of what you pay is tax. Then we have speeding fines, parking fines, the list is endless.

 

[GreggBear]

Gregg, If electric cars and vans are never affordable to the public, just think what that would do to our economy.
They will become affordable, they simply have too.

Point I was making is, your average electric car will probably scrap at 3 times what I paid for my van. Too many salvageable components to make it affordable to the likes of me. By the time I factor all my other running costs in, I can't afford a nice motor. Problem is my limited mobility, if I don't have access to very cheap vehicles I can't get out at all. Glad I'm gonna be dust in the wind before my hand is forced completely.....

 

[Fazerloz]

nt
I think there will be a huge market for secondhand EVs. A bit like secondhand motorhomes, in fact.

It is far from simple to change the batteries on most EVs and who's to say software support will be available in 10 years time. Who knows it might be already programmed to fail in x amount of years. It's not in a manufacturers interest to make a vehicle last forever. Tesla already turn off remotely some features on second hand cars.

Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold

Tesla claims it can yank features from even used cars

www.theverge.com

 

[Fazerloz]

Faz, we are being screwed right now.
When you buy a car you get charged VAT, if the car retails at £40,000 or more, you pay £2135 road tax first year. When you go to the filling station you pay VAT on tax, and 80% of what you pay is tax. Then we have speeding fines, parking fines, the list is endless.

Do you really think i don't know any of this. I try now to never buy from a dealer and only buy second hand let someone else pay the tax. Fuel i can do nothing about. But none of it means i have to buy into what i consider to be the latest set of lies about the reason for EVs.
I will thank you though as over the last couple of weeks i have done a awful lot of reading on so called Global Warming. Its a pity 1% of the money spent on shoving what i now consider to be lies on global warming isn't spent on cleaning plastic from the seas or supplying clean water for people to drink.

 

[in h]

Faz, we are being screwed right now.
When you buy a car you get charged VAT, if the car retails at £40,000 or more, you pay £2135 road tax first year. When you go to the filling station you pay VAT on tax, and 80% of what you pay is tax. Then we have speeding fines, parking fines, the list is endless.

Parking fines and speeding fines are opt-in. You don't have to pay them. Cars don't pay enough tax to compensate for the social and environmental damage they do.

 

[in h]

T

It is far from simple to change the batteries on most EVs and who's to say software support will be available in 10 years time. Who knows it might be already programmed to fail in x amount of years. It's not in a manufacturers interest to make a vehicle last forever. Tesla already turn off remotely some features on second hand cars.

Tesla remotely disables Autopilot on used Model S after it was sold

Tesla claims it can yank features from even used cars

www.theverge.com

Tesla is not a good example of anything except an effective swindle, but they assert that the self-driving facility is sold to the person and is not part of the car. I'm not convinced that would be acceptable to a UK court, but in the Land of the Free Corporation, they can get away with what they like.

 

[Fisherman]

Do you really think i don't know any of this. I try now to never buy from a dealer and only buy second hand let someone else pay the tax. Fuel i can do nothing about. But none of it means i have to buy into what i consider to be the latest set of lies about the reason for EVs.
I will thank you though as over the last couple of weeks i have done a awful lot of reading on so called Global Warming. Its a pity 1% of the money spent on shoving what i now consider to be lies on global warming isn't spent on cleaning plastic from the seas or supplying clean water for people to drink.

Well if you are sure that global warming is a myth I can see were you are coming from.

 

[Fisherman]

Parking fines and speeding fines are opt-in. You don't have to pay them. Cars don't pay enough tax to compensate for the social and environmental damage they do.

So you reckon we are not paying enough tax.
And we don’t have to pay speeding fines and parking fines.
I only wish I had read this before paying them in the past.

 

[Asterix]

T

Tesla is not a good example of anything except an effective swindle, but they assert that the self-driving facility is sold to the person and is not part of the car. I'm not convinced that would be acceptable to a UK court, but in the Land of the Free Corporation, they can get away with what they like.

I think Tesla are unique in that they aren't a car company as such,but rather a tech company first and foremost,that just happen to make cars. Think of it like buying a second hand computer,it's most likely had all the software wiped,so you go out and buy the software that meets your requirements. That's the way I look at it anyway.

 

[Fazerloz]

Well if you are sure that global warming is a myth I can see were you are coming from.

I am not saying GW is a myth. GW is happening and always has in cycles, but not how or certainly not to the extent that the powers that be, would like to have us believe. There is a difference.

 

[Fisherman]

Naughty boy!

Let he who has never sinned be cast the first stone

 

[Fisherman]

I am not saying GW is a myth. GW is happening and always has in cycles, but not how or certainly not to the extent that the powers that be, would like to have us believe. There is a difference.

I think you know what I meant Faz.
We all know that without it the average temp would be minus 19C.
And the powers at be worldwide, are being guided by scientists.
But you don't believe thats fine.

 

[Robmac]

I am not saying GW is a myth. GW is happening and always has in cycles, but not how or certainly not to the extent that the powers that be, would like to have us believe. There is a difference.

I am starting to think this way too.

If the Earth is in so much danger because of ICE's why do the governments only pay lip service to preventing the problems.

If we are in danger of being wiped out as a species (or heading that way), surely manufacturers wouldn't be allowed to make gas guzzling supercars that do 3 times the legal speed limit? And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Lefty]

So we all have electric cars powered by power stations, wind and sun. It’s all a big con. The technology is there to run on hydrogen produced from guess what, water. All the developments have been bought up and shut down by the oil companies.

 

[Fazerloz]

I think Tesla are unique in that they aren't a car company as such,but rather a tech company first and foremost,that just happen to make cars. Think of it like buying a second hand computer,it's most likely had all the software wiped,so you go out and buy the software that meets your requirements. That's the way I look at it anyway.

Just one factory. Not too shabby for not a car company.

Tesla’s Chinese factory just delivered its first cars

Less than a year after construction of the factory started.

www.theverge.com

 

[Fazerloz]

I am starting to think this way too.

If the Earth is in so much danger because of ICE's why do the governments only pay lip service to preventing the problems.

If we are in danger of being wiped out as a species (or heading that way), surely manufacturers wouldn't be allowed to make gas guzzling supercars that do 3 times the legal speed limit? And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

As with a lot of things Rob those that shout loudest get believed by many, whether something is true or not. Often truth is the first casualty especially where money and power are concerned.

 

[Asterix]

Just one factory. Not too shabby for not a car company.

Tesla’s Chinese factory just delivered its first cars

Less than a year after construction of the factory started.

www.theverge.com

Two factories with a third in a year or so,not too shabby for a tech company
Tesla have been estimated to be around 7 years ahead of rival carmakers,nothing to do with the cars themselves,rather the tech that goes into them,automation,batteries,software etc.

 

[landoboguy]

For most people a full charge would last a week for commuting, shops,school run etc,it may not make sense if you're a travelling salesman,but I'd think most people would rather have lower fuel and maintenance costs. It can't be forgotten that battery tech is getting incrementally better all the time,Tesla have once again upped their range,now well in excess of 300 miles on some models.

Tesla Model 3 gets 350 miles in new 'long-range mode' test

CEO Elon Musk congratulated the Tesla team after the Model 3 got 350 miles of range on a single charge...

electrek.co

Yup, and bear in mind plugging in at home will charge to full overnight, plugging in to a supercharger will charge my model s p90d to full in an hour.
A friend of mine is a builder, a block of flats he is working on for Taylor has charge ports being built for each apartment. Since i have owned Tesla I find myself gravitating to places that have chargers, restaurants, shopping, service stations, B&B etc. If you are a business that attracts customers for any length of time, its a wise move to jump on the grant incentives to install a fast (ish) charger.
below shows mine right now at about 4 fifths/sixths. real world with lights heater etc that can come down to 240-250, or if I charge to 300 then 270 ish.
Just like an ICE car, if I rip the arse off it all the time your probably talking 180-200.
The long range version lists 390 miles.