All electric motorhomes.... Possible or not?

[harrow]

Why do petrol stations need electric vehicle charging points? Build large out of town charging areas for them

Around here the supermarkets have put charging points in their carparks one newbuild asda has about 20 electric bays

 

[colinm]

How much of an electric vehicle is made from plastic derived from oil?

The amount of oil used to make these as opposed to ICE, little if any different.

 

[trevskoda]

Why do petrol stations need electric vehicle charging points? Build large out of town charging areas for them

So just like now you will nip in for fags papers burger sarnies etc where the money is made.

 

[trevskoda]

The amount of oil used to make these as opposed to ICE, little if any different.

Yes but no dirty air when driving them in towns, thats the whole point in it.

 

[colinm]

The converting ICE to hydrogen idea is that it's greener than scrapping ICE powered vehicles, read just recently that the EV are only carbon neutral after 50,000 miles also depending on the source of the electric to power them.

Who's scrapping ICE cars?
Tesla3 vs MB C220D, which are roughly equivalent, 20,000 miles, so about 2 years for the average UK car.

 

[trevskoda]

No cars have to be scraped, you just will not be able to register a new one.

 

[colinm]

Why do petrol stations need electric vehicle charging points? Build large out of town charging areas for them

I suspect out of town shopping areas and super markets will be fitting charging points, put them at far end from doors so they only get used when needed.

 

[trevskoda]

I suspect out of town shopping areas and super markets will be fitting charging points, put them at far end from doors so they only get used when needed.

All small car parks and bus park and ride have them here for years now, each pod takes two cars.
Here is Mosley mill council building unit.

 

[Ellendale]

Gas will not be used as it is dirty, in 5 years time it will be banned for central heating homes and those who converted will have to rip it out.

My 1999 Volvo S80 T6 2978cc LPG converted in 2007 has covered more than 200,000 miles post conversion. Each MoT emissions test shows
zero emissions - why? - because the by-product of burning LPG is H20 (water!) Here is the twist - LPG is the by product of producing PETROL!
Apparently the Fuel Companies burn off more LPG whilst producing petrol etc than is consumed by converted vehicles. Somehow I don't think
using an LPG Conversion is "dirty" - but willing to listen to reasoned discussion.

 

[colinm]

My 1999 Volvo S80 T6 2978cc LPG converted in 2007 has covered more than 200,000 miles post conversion. Each MoT emissions test shows
zero emissions - why? - because the by-product of burning LPG is H20 (water!) Here is the twist - LPG is the by product of producing PETROL!
Apparently the Fuel Companies burn off more LPG whilst producing petrol etc than is consumed by converted vehicles. Somehow I don't think
using an LPG Conversion is "dirty" - but willing to listen to reasoned discussion.

Even the companies promoting LPG conversions don't claim zero emissions, and for good reason, whilst they are very low emissions they can't achieve zero, so you have a totally unique car.
BTW , the MOT doesn't check co2 or particulates, and it's Hydrogen that only produces water on combustion.

 

[trevskoda]

My 1999 Volvo S80 T6 2978cc LPG converted in 2007 has covered more than 200,000 miles post conversion. Each MoT emissions test shows
zero emissions - why? - because the by-product of burning LPG is H20 (water!) Here is the twist - LPG is the by product of producing PETROL!
Apparently the Fuel Companies burn off more LPG whilst producing petrol etc than is consumed by converted vehicles. Somehow I don't think
using an LPG Conversion is "dirty" - but willing to listen to reasoned discussion.

Here we go.

 

[sparrks]

The amount of oil used to make these as opposed to ICE, little if any different.

My point was that they both need oil for manufacture - the need for oil will not go away any time soon

 

[Derekoak]

Electric cars and trades vans for local travel may be workable but I can't see how electric vehicles can be practical for long distances. Who wants to set off to the south coast and have to spend 2 hours waiting to charge to 60% at the halfway point.

Has the government noticed the number of of cars in petrol stations at the moment that gets 600 miles from a tank full and taking only a five minute stop to fill up? ......How is that going to work when all those electric vehicles are stopping for two hours to charge up, even to 60% ?
How many charging points will be needed and how big will the equivalent to petrol stations need to be to fit all the cars in for two hour stops, ?
The national grid is already put under pressure when the nation puts the kettle on during a football match at half time, or the adverts during Coronation street, how will the national grid cope with millions of electric cars?

UK's first all-electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex

UK's first all-electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex

Clean energy firm Gridserve has plans for more than 100 such sites over next five years

www.theguardian.com

20 minutes for 60% or more. For 36 cars. 24p/kwhr, from a local solar farm and its own solar canopy and a big battery for backup. First of a 100 like it from this firm.

 

[davef]

UK's first all-electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex

UK's first all-electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex

Clean energy firm Gridserve has plans for more than 100 such sites over next five years

www.theguardian.com

20 minutes for 60% or more. For 36 cars. 24p/kwhr, from a local solar farm and its own solar canopy and a big battery for backup. First of a 100 like it from this firm.

Presumably only working when its bright daylight - otherwise reliant on its battery backup which is sufficient to charge 120 cars. On a dull overcast spell in mid winter I cannt see this working without drawing from the main electric grid. Or perhaps it will be reliant on its leisure area where you will be able to cycle to generate electric.......

 

[trevskoda]

Wind farms in winter for the garage id expect.

 

[Derekoak]

Yes get those kids pedalling in the rest area. I worked out 36 cars charging at once would run down the battery in just over an hour, but a solar farm will produce about 30% of output in overcast day hours. They will be on a tariff to charge the battery at cheapest 5p rate where they can. I assume they will as last resort use the grid and still profit at 24p /kw hour.
Concerning whole grid storage, I read that a test system to store energy by compressing air, cooling it to liquid and storing it in massive tanks when wind was strong, then using the energy to run a turbine to produce electricity in still periods was being tried. In mass it would be cheaper in capital than lithium batteries and efficient enough, similar to pumped storage. It could store for long periods. These are problems that technology can solve given the will.

 

[Asterix]

Presumably only working when its bright daylight - otherwise reliant on its battery backup which is sufficient to charge 120 cars. On a dull overcast spell in mid winter I cannt see this working without drawing from the main electric grid. Or perhaps it will be reliant on its leisure area where you will be able to cycle to generate electric.......

This explains how they are doing it...

 

[Derekoak]

Thats worth listening to

 

[davef]

Ah, it has a 5 megawatt connection to the grid..... so when its not sufficiently sunny and there's a high pressure sitting over the UK meaning wind is producing virtually nothing, the EVs will be charged up by gas fired power stations. He seemed quite dismissive of "fossil burners".....

 

[colinm]

Ah, it has a 5 megawatt connection to the grid..... so when its not sufficiently sunny and there's a high pressure sitting over the UK meaning wind is producing virtually nothing, the EVs will be charged up by gas fired power stations. He seemed quite dismissive of "fossil burners".....

Or when it is very sunny and they have surplus they supply the grid.