mark61
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Why can you carry it on the tail?
How do you get on without a garage?
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barryd
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Well I do carry it on a rack but I wouldnt think twice about carrying one in the garage if I had one. Who the hell is going to ever know? Even if it was illegal which I am sure it isnt are you seriously thinking motorhomes are going to start getting pulled over to see if they have a scooter in the back? Only about one in every hundred they pull over will likely have one. Not only would it be a complete waste of resources I doubt it would stand up in court anyway even if it was a "thing".
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I'm gonna need the rack thing explaining. Why is it ok on a rack, but not in garage? How does that change use of vehicle or MOT class?
Is having a canoe ok on a roof rack, but not in the van? Apart from it being in the way.
Oh you can only have a canoe in the van if it's a blow up one. Putting a rigid canoe inside the van is bound to get you arrested and your vehicle crushed. VOSA will assume if you have a rigid canoe you must be some kind of canoe Nazi full timer whereas with a blow up one they will just think it's a beach toy and your only on Holiday.
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Because the law says so, do you require it in other forms ir brail LOL.
I dont make it up you know, higher etchilons do.
All seems daft to me mind you.
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Brail will do nicely, thank you.Because the law says so, do you require it in other forms ir brail LOL.
I dont make it up you know, higher etchilons do.
All seems daft to me mind you.
Will be pleased to see evidence of this law in any form you like. But it will need to be proper evidence!
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AS far as i know it already has been put on other foums from the dvla, but Rob is going to confirm it.Brail will do nicely, thank you.
Will be pleased to see evidence of this law in any form you like. But it will need to be proper evidence!
The bad bit would be if away from home and told to take the bike out or face the van being compunded or a fine.
Then having to get someone to come trailer the bike home, all in my mind silly, but the law is the law good or bad, unless we can change it.
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A dvla post was put up on a site, how much more do you require, rob is going to get it confirmed.None of that is evidence.
Not even in brail!
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Ask to see their warrant before you open the garage door!
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I just googled "living van" and got nothing so where does the phrase come from?
mark61
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DVSA do refer to the term "living van" but I haven't come across them actually defining exactly what it is.
I think SV Tech give a reasonable definition.
Last paragraph.
http://www.svtech.co.uk/vehicles/motorhomes/
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Yes I did have it re-registered as a Motor Caravan - purely because I could get cheaper insurance than if it was still registered as a Light Goods vehicle or whatever it was.
If I was to fit out another it would be insured as a day van with windows, which I believe some people do and have a mattress, a bog and a camping stove in it.
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I'm not so much worried Barry as annoyed at the DVSA's ambiguity and I'm pretty sure that it is nonsense and wouldn't stand up in court. The interpretations of the law by a member of staff at the DVSA doesn't mean that they are right and the fact that the CCC and M&CC legal teams say it wouldn't stand up in court seem to confirm this.
But at the same time, we shouldn't be advising people as a forum that it is illegal to carry a motorcycle in a motorhome when the full facts aren't actually available. (Yes, I'm looking in your direction Mr Skoda!).
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I'm guessing the relatively recent body type of "van with windows" classification for MH's which don't look like a MH don't have this issue being discussed, obviously as long as correct MOT is done. I don't know for sure obviously, but I'll put a pint on it.
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I'm not so much worried Barry as annoyed at the DVSA's ambiguity and I'm pretty sure that it is nonsense and wouldn't stand up in court. The interpretations of the law by a member of staff at the DVSA doesn't mean that they are right and the fact that the CCC and M&CC legal teams say it wouldn't stand up in court seem to confirm this.
But at the same time, we shouldn't be advising people as a forum that it is illegal to carry a motorcycle in a motorhome when the full facts aren't actually available. (Yes, I'm looking in your direction Mr Skoda!).
There was this from four years ago sparked off from our sister site and before that from Facebook!
Carry a scooter or M/bike in your garage?
There is a thread on this subject on our sister forum Motorhome Builder Do you carry a scooter or motorbike in your garage? | Motorhome Builder A member has been asking DVSA for clarification, following reports of MH owners being told by DVSA that they are not allowed to do so if registered as...
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Then there was your thread from two years ago Rob.
Carrying a motorcycle in your MH garage
During a recent thread a discussion started regarding the legality of carrying a motorcycle inside your vehicle. As everything seemed a bit vague, I thought I would email the DVSA to get some clarification. The reply was as follows; Thank you for your email enquiry dated 26 March 2021...
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As far as I can tell nobody has been prosecuted for this in all that time. It's all third hand social media nonsense I reckon.
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There was this from four years ago sparked off from our sister site and before that from Facebook!
Carry a scooter or M/bike in your garage?
There is a thread on this subject on our sister forum Motorhome Builder Do you carry a scooter or motorbike in your garage? | Motorhome Builder A member has been asking DVSA for clarification, following reports of MH owners being told by DVSA that they are not allowed to do so if registered as...
Then there was your thread from two years ago Rob.
Carrying a motorcycle in your MH garage
During a recent thread a discussion started regarding the legality of carrying a motorcycle inside your vehicle. As everything seemed a bit vague, I thought I would email the DVSA to get some clarification. The reply was as follows; Thank you for your email enquiry dated 26 March 2021...
As far as I can tell nobody has been prosecuted for this in all that time. It's all third hand social media nonsense I reckon.
Agreed Barry, I had sort of forgotten about my response from the DOT which makes a nonsense of the whole thing and as I stated at the time I have kept a copy (or not deleted the reply to be honest) should anybody require it. But I did have something in the back of my mind which is why I challenged Trev's statement earlier in this thread ("Not allowed to carry a scooter, excp a mobility one.") in the first place.
I think somebody earlier in this thread explained it as the person who was 'done' was carrying a motocross bike or similar to an event in which case his van should have been classed as a living van. Seems the most logical explanation to me, although still petty in my opinion.
So for those who are interested (and I gather it's not many
) here is the reply I got from the DOT a couple of years ago which should hopefully draw a line under it.Carriage of motorcycles in campervans
Thank you for your e-mail to the International Vehicle Standards division of the Department for Transport about the carriage of motorcycles in a garage area integrated into a motor caravan.
We do not believe that there are any regulations which specifically prohibit the carrying of motorcycles in the integrated garage area of a motor caravan however, there are certain regulations which may be relevant and with which you should be familiar and comply. Regulation 100 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (as amended)(1) requires that the load carried by a motor vehicle shall be secured, if necessary by physical restraint other than its own weight, and be in such a position that presents no danger. If you intend to carry small amounts of fuel for use with the motorcycle, you should also be aware of the provisions of the Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2009 (as amended)(2). You may wish to reference the guidance covering the carriage by private individuals of petrol by road, available from the following link: -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...1202-petrolun1203-and-kerosene-un1223-by-road
Yours sincerely
Jim Hand
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That seems straght forward Rob, as you and other say the dvla may or may not be correct in law or a court case, if one realy excists, this i read on line a few years back.
But as you pointed out it was a compition bike in a van which is differant.
WE shall rest easy when you get a email and sort this out once and for all.
I have never heard of anyone here being snaffeled for the bike thing, but i know from watching tv that the English road teams come down hard on folks.
Any way if its only a mob scooter do you think we could go this root LOL.
But as you pointed out it was a compition bike in a van which is differant.
WE shall rest easy when you get a email and sort this out once and for all.
I have never heard of anyone here being snaffeled for the bike thing, but i know from watching tv that the English road teams come down hard on folks.
Any way if its only a mob scooter do you think we could go this root LOL.
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I still haven't heard from the DVSA Trev. But when I do I shall simply send them a copy of the DOT email.
If the DOT say it's not illegal in writing, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court. Unfortunately, I still can't figure a way of getting a scooter in the back of my van without raising the bed about a foot and Julie say's that ain't gonna happen so it looks like a rack on the back but that may give me weight issues on the back axle so a visit to a weighbridge next.
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Scooter say 120kg with fuel, rack say 40kg, allow for lever effect, you probably need a minimum of around 220kg of spare rear axle load. So if your maximum rear axle load, for example, is 2000kg and it weighs in with your normal contents including full tank of diesel and fresh water at 1750kg or less you should be OK.
Not forgetting Julie in the passenger seat!
What gets me is those who have a cycle rack mounted on the rear wall and then load it with two hefty e-bikes. To me that is asking for the rear wall to be ripped off exposing your van inwards as you are going along! But I obviously lack faith in the ability of motorhome design gurus.
Those who have a rear lounge and a window to gaze out of don’t have this issue which triggered this topic in the first place!
Not forgetting Julie in the passenger seat!
What gets me is those who have a cycle rack mounted on the rear wall and then load it with two hefty e-bikes. To me that is asking for the rear wall to be ripped off exposing your van inwards as you are going along! But I obviously lack faith in the ability of motorhome design gurus.
Those who have a rear lounge and a window to gaze out of don’t have this issue which triggered this topic in the first place!
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