Vaccine

The Pfizer people have made a statement but has anyone seen or heard a statement from the Oxford people regarding the new length of time?
 
My nursing friends in Kent have all now had their first dose of Pfizer vaccine, my mum in law (90) had her first dose 17/12 and second booked for next week, mum (87) is five days behind. My daughter in law's care home and staff are all being vaccinated next week. They seem to be rolling it out very quickly which gives me hope now the Oxford jab is being given as well. Just hope people take it up, spoken to some who, although at risk and shielding, still would rather not have it in case of side effects ( mainly taken from social media, not the Lancet!). Afraid I point out the side effects of covid!
 
Debroos said:
The Pfizer people have made a statement but has anyone seen or heard a statement from the Oxford people regarding the new length of time?
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I haven't seen any, but here are some facts.
Pfizer, 1st dose 52%, 2nd dose 95%
AstraZeneca, 1st dose 64%, 2nd dose 70%.
So you might think with AstraZeneca either way it is partially effective, the Pfizer is the gold standard and gives a considerable change in protection for the 2nd dose.
 
colinmd said:
I haven't seen any, but here are some facts.
Pfizer, 1st dose 52%, 2nd dose 95%
AstraZeneca, 1st dose 64%, 2nd dose 70%.
So you might think with AstraZeneca either way it is partially effective, the Pfizer is the gold standard and gives a considerable change in protection for the 2nd dose.
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facts?
 
wildebus said:
source?
I read the following ..
Two full doses of the Oxford vaccine gave 62% protection, a half dose followed by a full dose was 90% and overall the trial showed 70% protection.

so as more is learned, approaches change.
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That statement has now been reviewed and found wanting, it concerned a very small sample (68 IIRC)of younger people.
The facts I quoted are those given to the health regulators around the world, not a publicity statement made to keep the plebs happy.
 
colinmd said:
That statement has now been reviewed and found wanting, it concerned a very small sample (68 IIRC)of younger people.
The facts I quoted are those given to the health regulators around the world, not a publicity statement made to keep the plebs happy.
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source?


"facts" without a valid source is like a fish with a bicycle



Tell you what. don't bother with revealing your secret sources. life is too short to bother with this conversation.

I'm going to follow Winston Churchills lead .....
“You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.”

carry on woofing ;)
 
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I wonder if we will get a choice of which vaccine we are offered. Although tbh I’m not bothered, as long as I get one and to be free er😐
 
Trotter said:
I wonder if we will get a choice of which vaccine we are offered. Although tbh I’m not bothered, as long as I get one and to be free er😐
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I would suspect it will be at least partly determined by location? Where I am, I would be surprised if it was not the Oxford-AZ one due to the simplified transportation for that over the others.
 
Trotter said:
I wonder if we will get a choice of which vaccine we are offered. Although tbh I’m not bothered, as long as I get one and to be free er😐
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I don't know but suspect that you will get what you are given unless there are special circumstances. For example, my daughter uses an epi-pen and I believe that those who do have been advised not to have the A-Z vaccine, so maybe she will get a choice.
 
 
If I’d been offered the Pfizer vaccine, and was told I was having two doses 3 weeks apart, I would be peeved if they changed that. Tbh if they are not doing two doses as recommended by Pfizer then I would wait, surely the approval for the vaccine rollout was on the basis of 2 doses within the original recommended time scales?
 
Only choice i see is take it or leave it - and what happens to those with no fixed abode and totally off the radar - countys will look after their own constiuents - so just be careful hospitals are crippled and close to breaking point and you will know in the next 7 days anyway
 
yorkieowl said:
If I’d been offered the Pfizer vaccine, and was told I was having two doses 3 weeks apart, I would be peeved if they changed that. Tbh if they are not doing two doses as recommended by Pfizer then I would wait, surely the approval for the vaccine rollout was on the basis of 2 doses within the original recommended time scales?
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Aye, and my m-i-l is due her second Pfizer jab this coming Tuesday!

We will all be mightily cheesed off here if it gets cancelled at the last minute.

Yes, everyone understands the urgency of getting as many people vaccinated as fast as possible, but how in hell can they say the best way to administer the Pfizer vaccine is 2-3 weeks apart and then totally change the dosage plan?!

Seems very strange to me, but what do I know, I'm just a member of Joe Public and not qualified to say whether they're right or wrong.

But we're still entitled to ask the question all the same.
 
Listened to radio 4 this morning when the rationale was being explained. I can see both sides but really wish that they had decided the action initially rather than leap in Then change it yet again. Apparently the research for longer gap was done on the other vaccine approved and made with same technology as first ( but storage is different!?) I know it's all evolving research etc, but confidence is undermined when it seems that the vaccine is given differently from what was announced. Having said that, there is the new, more virulent strain which needs to be halted and providing a majority with even 60% ( they can't be clear on that either...do they know? Probably not!) seems better than a minority with 90%. Especially if the second dose can be given and tops it up.
I don't know, but will have whatever is offered as covid has worse side effects potentially.
 
Yup.

Into the realm of guinea pigs and experimentation.

Like I said earlier, don't hold your breath on vaccine roll out being either efficient or done in record time.
I only say that because a lot of people seem to be thinking that we are going to be out of the woods by end of March/April.
I truly hope so, but I personally doubt that very much. Like I said, sincerely hope I am proved to be completely wrong.

There are still 24 million folk who are best vaccinated first, and we are nowhere near starting with the proposed 2 million vaccines a week.

Again, we all just have to wait and see what pans out.
 
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