Vaccine

To be fair, you can't just magic a new vaccine out of mid air, it needs to be produced and it takes time to get up to speed, so 100m have been ordered and eventually these will be delivered.
 
At least some scientists must have agreed with the new tactic of single vaccinations otherwise there would have been wholesale outrage at the change. I don't think the anger of a few GP surgeries makes this a Government outrage.

I suppose some people are so bored they need a good conspiracy to get them through the day. ;)
 
maingate said:
At least some scientists must have agreed with the new tactic of single vaccinations otherwise there would have been wholesale outrage at the change. I don't think the anger of a few GP surgeries makes this a Government outrage.

I suppose some people are so bored they need a good conspiracy to get them through the day. ;)
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Absolutely, Jim ;) 😁
 
Just seen that the first dose of Pfiser vaccine gives 90% protection, haven't double checked that, and it does contradict earlier data, but if true then single dose roll out makes sense.
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So I've drilled down into the data.
For Pfiser up to day 15 it's 52%, from day 15 to day 21 it's 89%, there is no info after day 21.
For AstraZeneca, there is no data up to day 21, from then there is 73% protection, then the analysis is that it "likely lasts" for up to 12 weeks, but there appears to be no data to back that up at the moment.
 
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colinmd said:
Just seen that the first dose of Pfiser vaccine gives 90% protection, haven't double checked that, and it does contradict earlier data, but if true then single dose roll out makes sense.
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So I've drilled down into the data.
For Pfiser up to day 15 it's 52%, from day 15 to day 21 it's 89%, there is no info after day 21.
For AstraZeneca, there is no data up to day 21, from then there is 73% protection, then the analysis is that it "likely lasts" for up to 12 weeks, but there appears to be no data to back that up at the moment.
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More data about effectiveness and results will emerge as we move down the timeline.

I don't doubt that the vaccine(s) will provide some sort of protection, but we need the passage of more time and data feedback to determine how effective one or two doses is across the board, and between different vaccines.

Remember, the vaccines have been developed and approved in record time!
They will certainly help towards preventing more deaths and reducing the impact of the virus, and they are currently better than no vaccine at all.

But the scientific community is still learning and refining its knowledge all the time.
Tweaking will no doubt occur as and when required?

We just have to trust and go for it.... on that one there is definitely no alternative right now !
 
Lets face it, if you got offered a single jab would you reject the offer? I wouldn't. As I posted before, it's a gamble, but we are entering a critical phase for the NHS and whatever gets us through the winter with least amount of deaths has got to be a good thing. Just cross your fingers it works out in the spring, even if it means some might have to have 3 jabs before next winter.
 
The Wifes friend was telling her today that an old Lady in her street went for her jab, taken there by her Daughter. The old lady duly got her vaccination and her Daughter asked when she would be due to get hers. The GP said that she could have it there and then. The reason? Lots of the vulnerable had not turned up for their vaccination appointment and he had plenty going spare. :(
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Yup.

Into the realm of guinea pigs and experimentation.

Like I said earlier, don't hold your breath on vaccine roll out being either efficient or done in record time.
I only say that because a lot of people seem to be thinking that we are going to be out of the woods by end of March/April.
I truly hope so, but I personally doubt that very much. Like I said, sincerely hope I am proved to be completely wrong.

There are still 24 million folk who are best vaccinated first, and we are nowhere near starting with the proposed 2 million vaccines a week.

Again, we all just have to wait and see what pans out.
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Exactly Marie, guinea pigs. Personally I’m losing faith in the data they are supplying. Even if we were in line to get the jabs early, which we aren’t, then I would be inclined to wait, especially if they only give the one. People are still going to have to be extremely cautious, jab or not, so I’m happy to carry on as we are, it’s going to be pretty much the end of 2021 before we see much change I think, I’m not overly worried for us, but passing it on to others.
 
maingate said:
The Wifes friend was telling her today that an old Lady in her street went for her jab, taken there by her Daughter. The old lady duly got her vaccination and her Daughter asked when she would be due to get hers. The GP said that she could have it there and then. The reason? Lots of the vulnerable had not turned up for their vaccination appointment and he had plenty going spare. :(
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Time to start hanging around docs in the afternoon hoping for a jab.
 
TeamRienza said:
Problem with hanging around is, like supermarkets last thing in the day, you might get one very close to its ‘sell by’ or ‘use before’ date. ;)

Davy
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I have a very robust digestive system, must be from years of my mothers cooking, she did her best, but aside from her delicious mince pies, anything else would be, well lets say, 'variable'.
 
Vaccine!! Sorry not for me at my age I'll trust my immune system at 98% recovery rate.
 
Trotter said:
It's annoying to hear people saying they don't believe in the Covid vaccine because they're not sure whats in it. I have complete trust in it because it's made by Pfizer - the same company who makes Viagra. If they can raise the dead, I'm quite sure they can save the living.

Not a Trotter original, wish it was. No it came from today's Metro newspaper. A freebie on the bus. Bus pass used, so it was nicked and at no cost to me. Cheapskate ?
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I wondered what was in the vaccine so I did a bit of research ...... years ago some vaccines were grown in aborted embryos but the Covid vaccine is not made that way.
The covid vaccine has a tiny part of the Covid virus in it, one of the "spikes". This is enough to trigger our immune system into action but not enough to give us the full illness. The reason they developed it in short time was because of new RNA techniques.
 
WillyO said:
Vaccine!! Sorry not for me at my age I'll trust my immune system at 98% recovery rate.
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The recovery rate isn't the point, the older we are the higher the chance of being left with debilitating damage that the virus causes, damage that our immune system just can't do anything about.
The damage can range from heart rhythm problems , kidney damage, artery damage, lung scaring, brain fog problems, all of which could last for years, the damage could even end your life.

I remember one virologist saying in April 2020 when he was asked if covid was similar to influenza, he said "Yes this is a respiratory disease but that is where the similarity stops, this new coronavirus virus is as close to the flu as a heart attack is to an ingrowing toe nail".

Nuff said , Im having the vaccine.
 
argoose said:
As long as the makers have immunity from prosecution, I'll pass.
I was on a study in a drug research facility, Simbec, when they discovered Viagra. It was being tested as a blood thinning drug. The nurse came in to do morning checks , first check was blood pressure standing. First subject 'sorry can't get up yet, bit of morning glory'. Yep same as six out of eight on the trial. We guessed the two how didn't were on the placebo. Put down as side effect, then trial separately later for ED med.
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You might well "pass" pass away .
Many people have had the vaccine now with no serious problems , by the time I can have it in March there will be several million people walking around with it inside them....... I think Ladbrokes would back it on those odds. ( other bookmakers are available )
 
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