Vaccine

[Robmac]

The suggestion a few days ago by various main stream media (and govt.?) was that the important 15 million or so folk who need the vaccine most (to help lift some of the current restrictions) could all be done by the end of February.

Personally, I think that's overly optimistic, but I would love to be proved wrong.

Guess we just have to wait and see what pans out, like everything else that's happened this last year!

Sorry Marie, I meant the FLU jabs - is that what you are referring to?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Sorry Marie, I meant the FLU jabs - is that what you are referring to?

Oops! No, sorry. Talking about covid vaccines.

I knew they were behind with the flu jabs, but don't know if they've caught up with the backlog on that particular vaccine yet.

 

[wildebus]

Whichever way you look at it I wouldn't hold your breath on things relaxing any time soon, or being able to travel around more freely.

The logistics are humungous.

The omni vaccine calculator currently:-

Rollout of vaccines
Vaccination rate - 1 million per week.
Time to vaccinate everyone - 2.1 yrs
Uptake - 70.6%

Like I said before, batten down the hatches and as you were Corporal Jones.

I think that is taking a very negative outlook and making invalid assumptions.
For a start, you don't need to target the population equally to make the impact of a vaccine effective. So if there is 1M per week, then in around 4 months you have done 16 Million people from the most vulnerable down - that in itself will have made a massive impact of the seriousness of any people infected.
The first injection has the biggest effect and the second is more of a top-up, so even before you are due the second jab, whilst not perfect, you have a good degree of protection (and the protection level offered by the first dose is better than most innoculations, which people like to forget about).

So try looking on the more glass half full side

 

[Fazerloz]

A pork pie should be minced pork. Melton Mowbray = chopped pork not forgeting the gristle.

 

[Robmac]

A pork pie should be minced pork. Melton Mowbray = chopped pork not forgeting the gristle.

Gristle?? How very dare you.

I'll have you know a lot of sweat goes into a Melton Mowbray pork pie!

 

[Robmac]

Oops! No, sorry. Talking about covid vaccines.

I knew they were behind with the flu jabs, but don't if they've caught up with the backlog on that particular vaccine yet.

I'm not sure either.

I just wondered if there were any comparisons in timescales between Covid and Flu jabs.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I think that is taking a very negative outlook and making invalid assumptions.
For a start, you don't need to target the population equally to make the impact of a vaccine effective. So if there is 1M per week, then in around 4 months you have done 16 Million people from the most vulnerable down - that in itself will have made a massive impact of the seriousness of any people infected.
The first injection has the biggest effect and the second is more of a top-up, so even before you are due the second jab, whilst not perfect, you have a good degree of protection (and the protection level offered by the first dose is better than most innoculations, which people like to forget about).

So try looking on the more glass half full side

I generally do take the glass half full approach, but at the minute we're nowhere near 1 million vaccines per week.

Like I said, I hope I am proved wrong, but on the track record with everything else to do with the pandemic this year I'm exercising just a smidgen of scepticism and caution.

 

[Fazerloz]

I think that is taking a very negative outlook and making invalid assumptions.
For a start, you don't need to target the population equally to make the impact of a vaccine effective. So if there is 1M per week, then in around 4 months you have done 16 Million people from the most vulnerable down - that in itself will have made a massive impact of the seriousness of any people infected.
The first injection has the biggest effect and the second is more of a top-up, so even before you are due the second jab, whilst not perfect, you have a good degree of protection (and the protection level offered by the first dose is better than most innoculations, which people like to forget about).

So try looking on the more glass half full side

It would be 8 million people have to have their second vaccination within 28 days.

 

[trixie88]

That seems to be in dispute.
For the Pfiser jab, it's 52% for one dose, then they say they don't know if it will work if left longer than 3 weeks.
The Astrazeneca jab still seems to be 70% after two doses, so I'm not sure where .gov are getting their info.
Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine rollout plan changed following approval | Society | The Guardian

another cock up then???????? i thought 2ns jab of pfiser only gave an extra 4% of protection;;;;;;;;;;;......
so if second jab has to wait longer than 3 weeks for any reason............does that mean 1st jab is becomes useless....heard something about it on radio today...was busy so just got tail end of it.

i dont know of anyone in this area of n. yorks who hve had a jab yet...............they started giving them in York a week or so ago.......

 

[mariesnowgoose]

another cock up then???????? i thought 2ns jab of pfiser only gave an extra 4% of protection;;;;;;;;;;;......
so if second jab has to wait longer than 3 weeks for any reason............does that mean 1st jab is useless????????? what a waste SIGH...BIG SIGH

Trixie, they were discussing this on the radio yesterday.

Apparently - and I'm only quoting what the scientists were saying - they have now decided that you can give the second vaccine anywhere between 4 to 12 weeks after the first.

I think what we need to remember is that this is a very new process and that a vaccine for covid has never been developed and used in the field until now, so we are all part of the experiment and more will be discovered about both the vaccine and the virus as we move down the line.

The fact they don't yet know whether the vaccine prevents you from infecting others is just one gap in current knowledge.

My own hunch (disclaimer there, please note I've said my own hunch, so it's only an opinion) is that they have decided to go for a single dose to get a lot more people vaccinated initially with that first jab in the hope that that will be enough to slow down infection and death rates in the most vulnerable and across the occupations that need it most.

After all, if these vaccines work we're not suddenly going to stop using them overnight, so any vaccine program(s) will be tweaked/expanded/amended down the line.

 

[trixie88]

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Trixie, they were discussing this on the radio yesterday.

Apparently - and I'm only quoting what the scientists were saying - they have now decided that you can give the second vaccine anywhere between 4 to 12 weeks after the first.

I think what we need to remember is that this is a very new process and that a vaccine for covid has never been developed and used in the field until now, so we are all part of the experiment and more will be discovered about both the vaccine and the virus as we move down the line.

The fact they don't yet know whether the vaccine prevents you from infecting others is just one gap in current knowledge.

My own hunch (disclaimer there, please note I've said my own hunch, so it's only an opinion) is that they have decided to go for a single dose to get a lot more people vaccinated initially with that first jab in the hope that that will be enough to slow down infection and death rates in the most vulnerable and across the occupations that need it most.

After all, if these vaccines work we're not suddenly going to stop using them overnight, so any vaccine program(s) will be tweaked/expanded/amended down the line.

heard tony blair on radio last week or so...suggesting that as many folk as possible got jab from ist consignment of vaccine.......so it looks as tho his suggestion was/will be taken up then....... just hope it all works our right...

 

[wildebus]

It would be 8 million people have to have their second vaccination within 28 days.

it has been revised. Not within 28 days anymore

 

[wildebus]

another cock up then???????? i thought 2ns jab of pfiser only gave an extra 4% of protection;;;;;;;;;;;......
so if second jab has to wait longer than 3 weeks for any reason............does that mean 1st jab is becomes useless....heard something about it on radio today...was busy so just got tail end of it.

i dont know of anyone in this area of n. yorks who hve had a jab yet...............they started giving them in York a week or so ago.......

sorry, but wrong (very wrong, thankfully)

 

[trixie88]

it has been revised. Not within 28 days anymore

how many days has it changed to now....???

 

[mariesnowgoose]

it has been revised. Not within 28 days anymore

That's right. Now the gap between the two jabs can be up to 90 days.

Seems a helluva jump from 3-4 weeks, which was the protocol mooted just a matter of days ago.

Still, ours ours is not to question why etc.

 

[wildebus]

revised to 12 weeks.
and the absence of a 2nd jab does not make the first pointless.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

According to the figures from the ONS there are 25 million people in the vulnerable/priority groups to be given the first jab.

They are hoping to rack up the immunisation program to 2 million per week, which, if that is possible, means it will take just over 12 weeks to immunise that sector.

Fingers crossed.

Many a slip twixt cup and lip! All we can do is hope for the best.

Like I said, I sincerely hope my scepticism will be completely misplaced

 

[trixie88]

wonder if vaccine will interact with other treatments./medication........ie cancer treatment chemo..immmunotheraphy.......intrevenunious meds......antibiotics etc. etc......
thats what worries me....

...its not what they tell you its what they dont tell you which is frightening me//
was given flu jab prematurely by GP surgery.........j

i questioned whether i should have it at that time or wait ...was told it was alright to have it. that was back in NOV
found out a few days ago......it should not have been given within 6 weeks of treatment?????????


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[trevskoda]

Dont know about the cov jab, but when i was about 19 i had a flue jab and it left me knackered for weeks, could hardly walk more than 3/4 feet to the loo, never had one again.

 

[Fazerloz]

it has been revised. Not within 28 days anymore

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revised to 12 weeks.
and the absence of a 2nd jab does not make the first pointles

So I have just read but does not maximise the effectiveness of both jabs. They have done trials at 12weeks between doses which have given good results.

Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine efficacy

2020 has been a difficult year for all, but has seen 58 vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) be developed and in clinical trials,1 with some vaccines reportedly having more than 90% efficacy against COVID-19 in clinical trials. This remarkable achievement...

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