student s hi jinks in london

[John H]

Hi, So why do you claim it to be a useless subject ? Obviously if we have not learned

enough from it " so far" then it becomes even more relevent & we need to study it more.

Or are you doing a Wittgenstein argument ?

Dezi

No, not changed my mind - the reason i put the word "useless" in quotation marks was because it was not my judgement but the Government's. In their "wisdom" (and those are my quotes!) they have decided to remove more funding from the humanities than from the sciences - which means that ultimately it will cost more to study history than to study physics. Strange world isn't it?

 

[Coolasluck]

Theres an old saying as! The world doesnt owe you a living!!" 21k appears a fair amount of a wage before repaying the student loans,why should the tax payer subsidise their careers.
We all have to pay endless rising costs why not them?Lets face it they will probably have designs of pissing off to another country anyhow,where the standard of living is better,whilst we are inundated with migrant workers.

 

[John H]

Theres an old saying as! The world doesnt owe you a living!!" 21k appears a fair amount of a wage before repaying the student loans,why should the tax payer subsidise their careers.
We all have to pay endless rising costs why not them?Lets face it they will probably have designs of pissing off to another country anyhow,where the standard of living is better,whilst we are inundated with migrant workers.

The "they" you talk about are my grandchildren and they will have to face the same rising costs as everybody else. I doubt that they will "piss off" to another country and I doubt that they will expect the world to owe them a living. But I object to a Government full of people who benefitted from the system we went through (or else had enough private funds not to care) denying the same opportunities to future generations. I feel the same when second generation immigrants (such as Michael Portillo) get on the "ban immigrants" bandwagon. I have no time for people who take all they can get and then try to prevent others following them. Unfortunately, we have a government composed almost entirely of those people.

 

[David & Ann]

I have read all the posts, most I agree with. I do abhor what the students (or some say, yobs among the genuine protesters) have done in London. The question is WHY??? My thoughts, that the Politicians created the situation. Perhaps, somewhere along the line, over many years of promises, by all Parties, the people have come to a breaking point, hence the frustration. Of course, there is no excuse for the happenings in London. But I think, it is perfectly understandable for the people to be driven to such situations. The wrath people have, should really be taken upon the Politicians. On TV this afternoon, a Liberal Politician had the audacity to say they had not broken their Pledge, which every Liberal MP signed. I feel, it will not be the end. Come Spring, when the cuts come into force, there will certainly be a lot more frustrated Folks. I would like your thoughts on this. Of course, what I have written is only my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 775]

some of the the action that happend in london yesterday is deplorable, like the attac on the senataph and also churchills statue . but you can forgive the attacs on government buildings. as david and ann states there will be more of this ,petrol through the roof ,gas and electric rising ,food on the up just to mention three things ,and then the government cuts will cause mass unemployment .what do they want the common people to do , stand by and take it especialy when they are cutting benefits ,pensions making us work 4 or 5 years extra to get them, there is poverty in this country and there will be even more, and they keep on giving more and more money to other countries in aid what do they expect they deserve all that they get .

 

[spatey]

Same government

just watched the news about the student rally in london yesterday .our dear leader of this government said he was outraged at the behavior of a minority of students in london yesterday ,and said "there were not enough police on duty there" how is he going to explain the lack of police when the cuts in the police budget leaves even less officers on the streets gun.. foot shot in the... comes to mind

Same government wishing to do the same thing F- - K it up for everyone else, just ask the miners now ???

 

[Deleted member 775]

there is not a lot to choose realy between any party ,but the tories realy know how to screw things up .you only have to look at there past record sell everything they can social housing ,north sea oil are but two and what they cannot sell close, mines proffatable parts of british steel and the majority of our manufacturing ability mind you the miners that was personal because we were about the only union that would not take the crap. mind you its suprising now how many old ex miners say maggie was the best thing that happend to the mines no man aught to have had to work in those sort of conditions i probebly wouldent have been as i am now, and a few of my old freinds may still have been alive now if it wasent for those bloody holes in the ground

 

[shawbags]

Theres an old saying as! The world doesnt owe you a living!!" 21k appears a fair amount of a wage before repaying the student loans,why should the tax payer subsidise their careers.
We all have to pay endless rising costs why not them?Lets face it they will probably have designs of pissing off to another country anyhow,where the standard of living is better,whilst we are inundated with migrant workers.

Hi there,the tax payers subsadise most of the ****** coming into the country so we should give our own less fortunate people the ability to progress not stop them in there tracks and why should our standard of living be so crap that young people should be thinking of living in other countrys because the standard of living is better.I was earning the same money 15 years ago if not better money than i could get today for the same job,WHY !,this country is going backwards and our government are glad to fill the country with people who will work for a pittents because we won't.without the little man working for next to nothing the big man could not thrive as they do,if the lower classed earned enough to live the good life more of us would work less hours and retire earlier, therefore leaving the big boss with less money,now that just wouldn't do would it . Our government like many others are liers,thieves and hipocrits and it will never change.

 

[Dezi]

The "they" you talk about are my grandchildren and they will have to face the same rising costs as everybody else. I doubt that they will "piss off" to another country and I doubt that they will expect the world to owe them a living. But I object to a Government full of people who benefitted from the system we went through (or else had enough private funds not to care) denying the same opportunities to future generations. I feel the same when second generation immigrants (such as Michael Portillo) get on the "ban immigrants" bandwagon. I have no time for people who take all they can get and then try to prevent others following them. Unfortunately, we have a government composed almost entirely of those people.

I agree with most of the above, but I have a moot point to raise.

My eldest granddaughter is currently at De Montfort University, so will be free of the system before this act comes in. My eldest grandson is due to go to university in about 18 month’s time, followed (hopefully) by the twins in about 5 years time. As they live in Scotland they will not Pay.
So we will have English students paying £9,000 per year. The Welsh about a third of that & the Scots nowt ? We are three separate Countries, but are also a United Kingdom & fully recognised as such under all international law. As such I cannot believe that this discrimination against one part of that union,the English students, does not break at least one European law.

Dezi

 

[John H]

I agree with most of the above, but I have a moot point to raise.

My eldest granddaughter is currently at De Montfort University, so will be free of the system before this act comes in. My eldest grandson is due to go to university in about 18 month’s time, followed (hopefully) by the twins in about 5 years time. As they live in Scotland they will not Pay.
So we will have English students paying £9,000 per year. The Welsh about a third of that & the Scots nowt ? We are three separate Countries, but are also a United Kingdom & fully recognised as such under all international law. As such I cannot believe that this discrimination against one part of that union,the English students, does not break at least one European law.

Dezi

Since there isn't a rule that all European countries have to have similar charging policies then I doubt that this could be true. Our country is, in effect, a federation (like others within the EU) and even before devolution it was true that Scotland, for example, had a different legal system. It does, however, show the value of getting your grandchildren born north of the border!

 

[Coolasluck]

a bit like the scots having a more transparent and simplified way of buying property,and looking after their elderly without them having to sell their own homes,i think i would move up there if it were not for the weather.!!
I was disgusted with what happened this week in London,the cenotaph and the filth clambering all over the monument and defecating,it seems that for some its just a good excuse for causing trouble.******s.
To behave like that at a war memorial sums up for me just how low this pond life can go to.
I feel sorry for those who were trying to peacefully protest.
But at the end of the day its the tax payers who have to clean up the mess afterwards,as usual and more innocent protests and a green light for trouble makers are due next week .

 

[Deleted member 775]

the yobo that was filmed up the senataph has apologised and guess what, as he is the son of a pop star just forget which at this moment,and he was as high as a kite aswell. but the law aint gona do anything to him because he has a well to doo dad one law for one

 

[shawbags]

Since there isn't a rule that all European countries have to have similar charging policies then I doubt that this could be true. Our country is, in effect, a federation (like others within the EU) and even before devolution it was true that Scotland, for example, had a different legal system. It does, however, show the value of getting your grandchildren born north of the border!

The idea of having your grandchildren born up north is exactly what the governments want,to move you from your routes and mix everyone up so we have no feeling of unity,as arther has said "divide and conquer",this may seem a little extreme but its happening,shawbags.

 

[Dezi]

The idea of having your grandchildren born up north is exactly what the governments want,to move you from your routes and mix everyone up so we have no feeling of unity,as arther has said "divide and conquer",this may seem a little extreme but its happening,shawbags.

I hate to intrude upon your conspiracy theories, but the reason my grandchildren are in Scotland
Is because my son in law was head hunted from Basingstoke 5 years ago by an energy company.

Dezi

 

[shawbags]

a bit like the scots having a more transparent and simplified way of buying property,and looking after their elderly without them having to sell their own homes,i think i would move up there if it were not for the weather.!!
I was disgusted with what happened this week in London,the cenotaph and the filth clambering all over the monument and defecating,it seems that for some its just a good excuse for causing trouble.******s.
To behave like that at a war memorial sums up for me just how low this pond life can go to.
I feel sorry for those who were trying to peacefully protest.
But at the end of the day its the tax payers who have to clean up the mess afterwards,as usual and more innocent protests and a green light for trouble makers are due next week .

As for defecating on a monument it just goes to show the level of inteligents that some of the protesters have,if they have been arrested before the police could find them through the DNA,not a very nice thought i know but true.If they were found they should make them shovel sh*t for 6 months,shawbags.

 

[shawbags]

As said,why is it that the scotts pay nothing,the welsh pay a third and english pay the full amount for uni it doesn't make sense and it goes to show how willing the government is to blatently take the P*ss yet again out of the english,shawbags.

 

[Deleted member 775]

As said,why is it that the scotts pay nothing,the welsh pay a third and english pay the full amount for uni it doesn't make sense and it goes to show how willing the government is to blatently take the P*ss yet again out of the english,shawbags.

mabey because all funding comes from westminster, someone has to pay for it all

 

[John H]

The idea of having your grandchildren born up north is exactly what the governments want,to move you from your routes and mix everyone up so we have no feeling of unity,as arther has said "divide and conquer",this may seem a little extreme but its happening,shawbags.

I can think of nothing that would make me vote Tory but not even I can see what the hell you are getting at here!

 

[shawbags]

what i,m getting at is the fact that the whole world is being mixed up,e.g ,in america the borders will be coming down and canada,america and mexico will become one big country without the vote of the people so maybe giving people the reason to move up north to get there kids a free education is another move to mix us up,i did say maybe,i do apolagise if i have rattled you cage a little,Shawbags free man on the land .

 

[shawbags]

mabey because all funding comes from westminster, someone has to pay for it all

What ever the cost may be and where ever the money comes from it should be the same costing system for everyone,its beyond me how they work it out and how is it that we are a united kingdom,load of b*ll*cks,shawbags.