stolen motorhome

[maingate]

Not an issue ...I'll just add you to my ignore list ...

If you think funding has nothing to do with it ...
Then I'm sorry for that ...
BUT I'll repeat,
my local station has a car park full of vehicles that they don't have the manpower to man .

A percentage of the Council Tax is ring fenced for the Police, or should be. It sounds like your high flying Mayor Andy Burnham is not doing a very good job, neither is the Chief Constable if he/she cannot recruit Officers.

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[trevskoda]

Sorry but ....you shouldn't need big signs to tell you where the speed limits are .

Im taking courses.

 

[guerdeval]

Would it ?
Is that a fact or just another anti police comment ...

Believe me where I live on the outskirts of Manchester ...
We have scrotes on stolen motor bikes,
Property theft,
Anti social behaviour
Kids carrying weapons
Etc etc etc
I live 5 minutes walk from the large area police station and the car park,is,full of parked up police cars ...
Most of which they haven't got the bodies to drive them because of lack of funding ...
The Police don't turn up to what are considered operationally as 'minor crimes' NOT because they can't be arsed ...
They don't turn up because there aren't the police numbers to deal with the volume ....

Again ....it's NOT the police at fault .

Amazing coincidence, my grandson joined GMP 2 years ago as a ‘fast track’ graduate, now I’m not saying he’s unsuitable because, as someone with a very big chip on his shoulder he’ll fit in just fine.

 

[Robmac]

A relative of mine was attacked by a girl throwing a corrosive substance over her from a car in front of several witnesses. Her mother was called and went to the scene and approached the car with the young girl and her boyfriend still in it at which point they pulled away, swerved at her (she was hit by the side of the front wing) deliberately bowling her over.

As said there were several witnesses as well as video evidence and registration plate given. The police were called and they said that it wasn't serious enough for them to attend. Complaints were made and the police eventually came out to see her but she was told (off the record) that they had many complaints against that family and had been instructed by their Sergeant not to take it any further.

The Police's job had been done for them, a rock solid case which they chose not to pursue. So if acid attacks and using a car as a weapon (attempted murder?) don't warrant even the suspect being interviewed, there is something very seriously wrong with the Police force.

 

[Robmac]

Yes the evidence is there for all to see unfortunately most of the good PC’s work goes by the way but there’s no old fashioned police service no more. As you will note on here the bullies are everywhere shouting their opinions which must be followed no one can now have opinions of their own. I used to rate the guy highly but then we must follow his dictates no wonder I don’t post often…Alf

You make a very good point there Alf, there are some very brave, very conscientious and very hard working individual officers out there. The problems come from the very top layers and a few bad apples below.

 

[Fisherman]

A large number of Met Police Officers were injured during a protest in london 2 nights ago.

Strange how it never got a mention on the BBC News.

Four injured after clash between Iranian protesters in London https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd27pv5z4o

 

[alcam]

The quality of police officers today is another issue. There are hundreds of youtube clips showing extremely poor and thuggish behaviour.
I'm not a fan of street auditing or citizen journalism per se but they have certainly exposed how terrible the police can be.
They were once considered the best in the world but like a lot of institutions in Britain they have gone down hill rapidly.

When Thatcher (70s) gave the police a huge rise there were at least 5 BT engineers in Glasgow who joined up .
Only 1 of them had ever wanted to be in the police , he actually did very well .
The others just boasted about their housing allowance.
Maybe the standard dropped then ?

 

[maingate]

Four injured after clash between Iranian protesters in London https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd27pv5z4o

See post 31.

Your link is dated 25/05 and is a different one. It also refers to Iranian demonstrators not Palestinian.

 

[Fisherman]

See post 31.

Your link is dated 25/05 and is a different one. It also refers to Iranian demonstrators not Palestinian.

But it shows the BBC report when police are injured. Surely you’re not suggesting that the BBC are anti police in any way. You may well find that other networks did not report this incident. These are not normal times right now.

 

[Boris7]

back to the original post,

There were something like 130,500 vehicles stolen in England and Whales in 2023.

Should the Police take all these cases seriously and investigate all of them, yes they should.

Should they also investigate every single case of fraud where some £1.13billion was stolen, yes they should.

Sexual assault in the same period 1.1 million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Theft cases 8.7million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Assault 1.46 million cases, should the Police investigate all of these, yes they should.

Truth is the Police can’t deal with everything, and like it or not pretty much everything comes down to money, The Police look at vehicle theft and take the opinion that the vehicle is insured and therefore it simply takes second place to sexual assault, physical assault, Fraud, Theft etc.

Does this mean the Police should not respond to your Motorhome theft, no they should, but unless live real information suggests they can stop the theft and apprehend the offender then other crimes will and should take preference.

 

[alcam]

back to the original post,

There were something like 130,500 vehicles stolen in England and Whales in 2023.

Should the Police take all these cases seriously and investigate all of them, yes they should.

Should they also investigate every single case of fraud where some £1.13billion was stolen, yes they should.

Sexual assault in the same period 1.1 million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Theft cases 8.7million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Assault 1.46 million cases, should the Police investigate all of these, yes they should.

Truth is the Police can’t deal with everything, and like it or not pretty much everything comes down to money, The Police look at vehicle theft and take the opinion that the vehicle is insured and therefore it simply takes second place to sexual assault, physical assault, Fraud, Theft etc.

Does this mean the Police should not respond to your Motorhome theft, no they should, but unless live real information suggests they can stop the theft and apprehend the offender then other crimes will and should take preference.

In the case quoted there was possibly real information . My argument is that deserved, at least , a cursory glance .
The argument that the majority of CCTV stuff is poor quality is really not acceptable. Sometimes , as we've all seen , there is decent footage .

 

[mistericeman]

back to the original post,

There were something like 130,500 vehicles stolen in England and Whales in 2023.

Should the Police take all these cases seriously and investigate all of them, yes they should.

Should they also investigate every single case of fraud where some £1.13billion was stolen, yes they should.

Sexual assault in the same period 1.1 million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Theft cases 8.7million cases, should they investigate every case, yes they should.

Assault 1.46 million cases, should the Police investigate all of these, yes they should.

Truth is the Police can’t deal with everything, and like it or not pretty much everything comes down to money, The Police look at vehicle theft and take the opinion that the vehicle is insured and therefore it simply takes second place to sexual assault, physical assault, Fraud, Theft etc.

Does this mean the Police should not respond to your Motorhome theft, no they should, but unless live real information suggests they can stop the theft and apprehend the offender then other crimes will and should take preference.

Finally .....

 

[Boris7]

In the case quoted there was possibly real information . My argument is that deserved, at least , a cursory glance .
The argument that the majority of CCTV stuff is poor quality is really not acceptable. Sometimes , as we've all seen , there is decent footage .

Your absolutely correct, but still the Police have to prioritise and without getting political they simply don’t have the resources to do everything that they ideally should be doing.

 

[Robmac]

Let's face it, crime is out of control in the UK, verging on anarchy and yet the law is all too often on the side of the criminals.

Years of pussy footing around and a complete lack of deterrents have seen to this and it's high time for a sea change to sort this out. As I mentioned earlier National Service would help, and I don't meant the 12 month version the PM is suggesting. Hard labour in prisons and let the prisoners pay their own keep - they have a work force who they don't have to pay for Christ's sake! Basic accommodation and cheap food.

Yes I know it's a pipe dream but in not too many years to come I reckon we will wish we had pressed for it.

 

[Boris7]

Let's face it, crime is out of control in the UK, verging on anarchy and yet the law is all too often on the side of the criminals.

Years of pussy footing around and a complete lack of deterrents have seen to this and it's high time for a sea change to sort this out. As I mentioned earlier National Service would help, and I don't meant the 12 month version the PM is suggesting. Hard labour in prisons and let the prisoners pay their own keep - they have a work force who they don't have to pay for Christ's sake! Basic accommodation and cheap food.

Yes I know it's a pipe dream but in not too many years to come I reckon we will wish we had pressed for it.

You Old Liberal

 

[Robmac]

You Old Liberal

Seriously though Kev, the criminals know what will be responded to and what will not. Gangs are stealing vehicles at will from peoples driveways and when confronted they tell the owners to go back in before they get hurt. Home invasions are getting more commonplace as well, it's more convenient to go into somebody's house and get they keys than break into a vehicle.

I wonder if the police would respond to the theft of a motorhome if it belonged to an MP?

 

[Boris7]

It’s a shame to say you have to take responsibility for the security of your own property etc nowadays Rob, shouldn’t be like that tbh, but it just is.

My neighbours have had works vans broken into several times, but no one ever touched mine. My drive was designed to make it impossible, works for me, but it’s a real shame that you should feel the need to do so. And I live in a quite cul-de-sac in a quite village not in a crime hot spot.

 

[Robmac]

It’s a shame to say you have to take responsibility for the security of your own property etc nowadays Rob, shouldn’t be like that tbh, but it just is.

My neighbours have had works vans broken into several times, but no one ever touched mine. My drive was designed to make it impossible, works for me, but it’s a real shame that you should feel the need to do so. And I live in a quite cul-de-sac in a quite village not in a crime hot spot.

Safety in numbers here Kev.

Due to my extended family at home we have 8 vehicles on the drive and my motorbike is in a metal garage behind them all so they'd struggle to nick that although if they really wanted to I suppose they would.

I don't really care much about any of the other vehicles.

 

[Fisherman]

Seriously though Kev, the criminals know what will be responded to and what will not. Gangs are stealing vehicles at will from peoples driveways and when confronted they tell the owners to go back in before they get hurt. Home invasions are getting more commonplace as well, it's more convenient to go into somebody's house and get they keys than break into a vehicle.

I wonder if the police would respond to the theft of a motorhome if it belonged to an MP?

You may be frustrated, but try being a police officer who risks their safety to apprehend these scumbags only to find that they are sentenced to carry out community work, or jailed for six months and released in three. The police are even more angry than the public in the justice system that lets both them and the public they serve down. It’s common knowledge that you can shoplift with impunity, shop owners now refuse to press charge, due to lack of effective convictions, and the costs involved in prosecuting them.
Many police officers suffer from PTSD, it’s rife within the service. Anyone who reckons policing in the UK now is some kind of cake walk simply is ignorant of the facts.
Can you imagine having to deal with someone who has just murdered someone, treating them with kid gloves after witnessing what they have just done. Or dealing with someone who has just sexually abused a child. There are two jobs I could never do, one is a police officer, and the other is a prison officer.
As for this thread going of on a tangent, I beg to differ. The OP questioned (quite rightly) police response, and we have been discussing it.

 

[Robmac]

You may be frustrated, but try being a police officer who risks their safety to apprehend these scumbags only to find that they are sentenced to carry out community work, or jailed for six months and released in three. The police are even more angry than the public in the justice system that lets both them and the public they serve down. It’s common knowledge that you can shoplift with impunity, shop owners now refuse to press charge, due to lack of effective convictions, and the costs involved in prosecuting them.

I know this Bill. I know several serving police officers.

As I say, the problem emanates from the top and the legal system.