maureenandtom
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And so our Merry Dance continues. Continuing from Post 175 above.
I've heard today that the Scarborough Traffic Group which was supposed to meet early January didn't meet because there were insufficient discussion items for a meeting to be held. It's now called the Parking Review Group.
My proposals weren't heard at the October meeting because there were too many items for them to be heard. Now there aren't enough.
However, there is good news of a sort. It means that, unless the council is completely duplicious, however things are now, that's how they will stay for the time being.
One of the things I, early on, recommended to management at Scarborough was that an employee of the council could investigate and prepare a paper about my proposals which would then give councillors something concrete to discuss.
It seems that something approaching this will now be done. This is an email I received this morning.
I can confirm that the Parking Review Group have not met so far this year, as there is not a sufficient number of items on the agenda to call a meeting. As the next meeting date has not been confirmed yet, I have agreed with the chair of the group to circulate options for motorhome parking via email to members of the group.
The email will invite comments/recommendations by members. I will copy you in to the email, so that you are aware of the contents and timeframes for comments.
I've thanked them; offered to comment on any questions raised and tried to solve one possible problem in advance by suggesting that I'd be happy to contact local campsite managements with a proposal that their businesses might benefit from the extra business of providing fresh water and waste disposal to visiting motorhomes. This in anticipation of a possible objection on the grounds that the council has no facilities on its car parks for disposal of waste or provision of fresh water.
You never know - I'll keep you up to date as and when I hear from them.
I've heard today that the Scarborough Traffic Group which was supposed to meet early January didn't meet because there were insufficient discussion items for a meeting to be held. It's now called the Parking Review Group.
My proposals weren't heard at the October meeting because there were too many items for them to be heard. Now there aren't enough.
However, there is good news of a sort. It means that, unless the council is completely duplicious, however things are now, that's how they will stay for the time being.
One of the things I, early on, recommended to management at Scarborough was that an employee of the council could investigate and prepare a paper about my proposals which would then give councillors something concrete to discuss.
It seems that something approaching this will now be done. This is an email I received this morning.
I can confirm that the Parking Review Group have not met so far this year, as there is not a sufficient number of items on the agenda to call a meeting. As the next meeting date has not been confirmed yet, I have agreed with the chair of the group to circulate options for motorhome parking via email to members of the group.
The email will invite comments/recommendations by members. I will copy you in to the email, so that you are aware of the contents and timeframes for comments.
I've thanked them; offered to comment on any questions raised and tried to solve one possible problem in advance by suggesting that I'd be happy to contact local campsite managements with a proposal that their businesses might benefit from the extra business of providing fresh water and waste disposal to visiting motorhomes. This in anticipation of a possible objection on the grounds that the council has no facilities on its car parks for disposal of waste or provision of fresh water.
You never know - I'll keep you up to date as and when I hear from them.
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It may be worth pointing them towards the Fylde Council website. Let them know that other seaside Councils have different views. There are some really beneficial statements on the website about how Councillors know that we have plenty of money to spend.
Thanks for your efforts. I am busy on a couple of things up this way and will post when (if) they come to fruition.
Thanks for your efforts. I am busy on a couple of things up this way and will post when (if) they come to fruition.
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I am sure you are aware that C&CC charge £6.00 to dumb your waste and pick up fresh water but they may not be. More or less no cost to campsite but if a hundred motorhomes do a stopover thats £500 in somebodies back pocket. Sort of ruins there argument that they are loosing money as we would never have stayed with them in the first place
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Many of these sites will be "off grid" as far as waste disposal is concerned. There will be a cost incurred in emptying cess pits etc. The council will also want to recover any cost in providing these facilities too.
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If a site has 200 hundred pitches along with a couple of shower and toilet blocks I am sure it will cope with my bit of waste.
The council will get their money back directly in fees and indirectly in the money we spend in and around the town.
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I have sent them the link a few times, alas, they have been ignored
Yes, this is one of the ways they have of dealing with things they don't like. Ignore you until you lose the will to live or at least the will to continue.
However,
If you took the time and made the effort to make a complaint or suggestion to the manager of your local Tesco about one of their products and didn't get an acknowledgement then what would you do? If it was me I might write to the Chief Executive asking why his staff had not seen fit to reply. What is his policy regarding suggestions or complaints? Just so that I know, you understand, before I take the trouble to help again.
A senior politician who I've forgotten (might have been Tony Benn) many years ago gave us some questions to ask overly self important council employees which I haven't forgotten although I didn't write them down.
What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interest do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
How can we get rid of you?
I've kept them ready all these years and I've never had to ask them. Pity really.
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Good News - Proposed winter parking charge on Marine Drive slung out at yesterday's council meeting.
maureenandtom
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I have more than a little good news.
I've now heard that motorhomes are to be discussed at a Traffic Review Group meeting on 25th April and my proposals are also to be discussed. You can look at them in Post 175 above though I've added a bit since then dealing with possible objections and some raised by council officers.
I've been in touch with some of the people involved and I'm cautiously optimistic that something from my proposals will be adopted. I should also be told what the meeting decides and, good or bad, I'll pass on the news when I hear it. But, you know, I'm optimistic that Scarborough is about to become a little more motorhome friendly.
I've now heard that motorhomes are to be discussed at a Traffic Review Group meeting on 25th April and my proposals are also to be discussed. You can look at them in Post 175 above though I've added a bit since then dealing with possible objections and some raised by council officers.
I've been in touch with some of the people involved and I'm cautiously optimistic that something from my proposals will be adopted. I should also be told what the meeting decides and, good or bad, I'll pass on the news when I hear it. But, you know, I'm optimistic that Scarborough is about to become a little more motorhome friendly.
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Spot on Ken.
It will just drive motor owners away to places where they are welcome.
The article is one sided.
I bet the shops and other local traders are not troubled by motorhomes.
Do they honestly think motorhome owners will start using the hotels.
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anyway silves is all hilly and hurts your legs walking about and its quite smart and touristy,messines is scruffy and messy[geddit?] and a bit more real.if you're going that way,and theres 2 barragems,lakes,just behind the town and both ok for camping
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Agree, don't like most seaside towns, that's why I love Scotland, you can get beside the sea in stunning locations without all the commercial crap and all the crowds.
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Agreed. Scarborough is a dump. There are much nicer places on the East Yorks Coast which are also more motorhome friendly. Scarborough and Blackpool were the two places as a family we went to on holiday as kids in the 70's. Loved it then. As a boy I spent hours and hours sailing my toy yacht in the pond at Peasholme Park. Mrs D and I went back there a few years ago to reminisce and the pond was neglected with a shopping trolley in the middle of it and nobody sailing toy boats.
My advice. Drive to Dover, over to France, do not pass go (or scarborough), do not collect £200.
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Haamster.
Yes there is a little bit you're missing but it's understandable because it isn't really about Scarborough in isolation. There is a pretty full agreement among motohomers that local authorities should be encouraged to provide Aires on the popular and successful contintental model though there are plenty of shades of opinion about Aires. Many are keen on the model, as I am, and many prefer to be fully independent. Few councils provide dedicated parking spaces for us and we either bow to officialdom or we "sneak about" a bit hoping to get away with free camping - and mostly we do ok. Some do one or the other as circumstances dictate.
Scarborough has been experiencing problems with motorhomes parking in large numbers in sensitive spots - that is, perceived as sensitive by residents and the council too. There is a possibility - a decreasing possibility if they read these threads - that the Scarborough council might provide dedicated parking places for motorhomes. We'll know this in not much more than a week from now.
If Scarborough do it then they can be used as an example to persuade other local authorities to do the same. I'm keen to see them provide places; it seems others are not.
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Hi Maureenandtom
thanks for the reply,yes i'm aware of the continental aires, used them a lot myself but wasn't aware that people were trying to get the same going over here. Not trying to knock your or anyone elses efforts, highly commendable and you are to be applauded for it.
Was just really asking because like I said I remember Scarborough as a rather run down seaside place, like most British seaside places and not somewhere I would imagine going to without good reason. Just wondered why everyone seemed keen on it.
ps.*just being nosey, thought I might be missing out on something really*
thanks for the reply,yes i'm aware of the continental aires, used them a lot myself but wasn't aware that people were trying to get the same going over here. Not trying to knock your or anyone elses efforts, highly commendable and you are to be applauded for it.
Was just really asking because like I said I remember Scarborough as a rather run down seaside place, like most British seaside places and not somewhere I would imagine going to without good reason. Just wondered why everyone seemed keen on it.
ps.*just being nosey, thought I might be missing out on something really*
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the town is a dump, thats for sure, but some of the coastal walks are spectacular especially round Bempton Cliffs,Filey Brigg and a place called Cloughton, thats why i go, i dont go into the town, i go to pubs outside town, like the Manor ? at Scalby do an amazing breakfast, theres also a pub in Cloughton, cant think of its name but the grub is fantastic.
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I have two lots of news so I'll put it into two posts. This first is about on-street parking. Not sure what to make of it really but I suppose something will happen.
This is the text of an email I received from Scarborough Council about the middle of April.
I can confirm that Motor Homes will now be part of the Parking Review Group meeting of the 25th April.* The meeting has been specifically called to discuss amongst other motor home issues, your proposals.
I should make you aware that approximately a week ago North Yorkshire County Council ( who are the highways authority in the Borough of Scarborough) agreed funding for a scheme to prohibit Motor Caravans from parking overnight on a number of streets in Filey, Whitby and Scarborough.
As you will appreciate these proposals will have a knock on effect on the Council's car parks.* Whilst these proposals were being muted I held back writing the options paper due to the possible ramifications the decision could have.
I have spoken to a number of members on the group already over the past few weeks and the general consensus is that The Council look to provide a number of car parks across The Borough aimed specifically for Motorhomes which allow overnight camping.* I hope to have a report finalised to go to members of the group by the end of next week.* I will forward you a copy, I would appreciate your comments upon reading.
I didn't get the report before the meeting but more of that in the next post.
This is the text of an email I received from Scarborough Council about the middle of April.
I can confirm that Motor Homes will now be part of the Parking Review Group meeting of the 25th April.* The meeting has been specifically called to discuss amongst other motor home issues, your proposals.
I should make you aware that approximately a week ago North Yorkshire County Council ( who are the highways authority in the Borough of Scarborough) agreed funding for a scheme to prohibit Motor Caravans from parking overnight on a number of streets in Filey, Whitby and Scarborough.
As you will appreciate these proposals will have a knock on effect on the Council's car parks.* Whilst these proposals were being muted I held back writing the options paper due to the possible ramifications the decision could have.
I have spoken to a number of members on the group already over the past few weeks and the general consensus is that The Council look to provide a number of car parks across The Borough aimed specifically for Motorhomes which allow overnight camping.* I hope to have a report finalised to go to members of the group by the end of next week.* I will forward you a copy, I would appreciate your comments upon reading.
I didn't get the report before the meeting but more of that in the next post.