Scarborough traders complain

[refurbisher]

Sehr schone, proper dog, a best pal kind of look about him.

 

[kimbowbill]

well, i have a tent, and when i park in scarborough, i dont sleep in the van, the dogs do cos they too big for the tent, i take the tent on the cliffe tops and sleep there, can they prove otherwise? nope, theres no signs on the cliffe saying no camping is thi? sodem

 

[cooljules]

Sehr schone, proper dog, a best pal kind of look about him.

lieder nicht eine schoene hund but hes my best pal, laid next to me on the bed now...smart but old, bit blind n deaf with a bit of dog alzhiemers now, so not good next to roads etc. but still happy...and lets me know it by giving me a big smily face. ugly but happy!

 

[cooljules]

well, i have a tent, and when i park in scarborough, i dont sleep in the van, the dogs do cos they too big for the tent, i take the tent on the cliffe tops and sleep there, can they prove otherwise? nope, theres no signs on the cliffe saying no camping is thi? sodem

i have a blue badge, to due artritis etc in my back (i broke it 16 years ago) so after a drive im a little sore and aching. hence even in my car, i keep emergency pack, and with tea/little cooking stove etc. so i can take my meds, get some rest for a few hours no matter where i am. the camper will be great for me, as i cant use a tent, just too painful to put up and struggle, and laid on the ground damp gets into my back. i would love them to say move your camper and we dont care you need to rest and take your meds....... i dont want special treatment, just treat fair like anyone else.

 

[kimbowbill]

i have a blue badge, to due artritis etc in my back (i broke it 16 years ago) so after a drive im a little sore and aching. hence even in my car, i keep emergency pack, and with tea/little cooking stove etc. so i can take my meds, get some rest for a few hours no matter where i am. the camper will be great for me, as i cant use a tent, just too painful to put up and struggle, and laid on the ground damp gets into my back. i would love them to say move your camper and we dont care you need to rest and take your meds....... i dont want special treatment, just treat fair like anyone else.

CJ, they dont know your not sleeping in the tent do they? i'm just saying if anyone comes to the door, you dont answer and if you get a ticket, you could dispute by saying you was in your tent, simples

 

[cooljules]

CJ, they dont know your not sleeping in the tent do they? i'm just saying if anyone comes to the door, you dont answer and if you get a ticket, you could dispute by saying you was in your tent, simples

while that is true, im a pretty honest person, and a day out, with the dogs would tire me out and give me some aches, so as normal i take some meds and nod off for a few hours overnight, wake up, make a brew and set back off when i feel ready, thats just in the car i do now. i wont drive back there and then if i dont feel upto it.

 

[maureenandtom]

There have been one or two threads on this subject and I'm not sure in which one I should post now. I don't suppose it matters - we're all well aware of the history here.

I did write to the Whitby Gazette and they published the two pictures I sent them. Here:Something to learn about parking - Letters - Whitby Gazette

You'll remember and be able to find the other letters in the same newspaper, I'm sure.

My attempts to bypass the parking manager and put my proposals to a tourist official were unsuccessful and I had to deal with her. I didn't bully her. I haven't heard from her for nearly two months but prior to that she told me that there was to be a traffic committee meeting early October and she would pass my proposals to committee members. She would also tell me of decisions taken at the meeting. My response was to ask for details of when the meeting would be held, who would be attending and how I could check their business interests.

She dud not respond and until today I haven't pressed her to answer. Today I have asked more firmly for a response.

 

[jezport]

I stick by what I said earlier. By pushing these people we may cause more problems. Just get on with wildcamping and respect the area.

Like cooljules I have a blue badge so I do not get hassled where ever I park so this is not an issue for me. But for people without blue badges I suggest you think carefully before giving a jobsworth a case to keep them in work!

 

[John H]

.........she told me that there was to be a traffic committee meeting early October and she would pass my proposals to committee members. She would also tell me of decisions taken at the meeting. My response was to ask for details of when the meeting would be held, who would be attending and how I could check their business interests.

She dud not respond and until today I haven't pressed her to answer. Today I have asked more firmly for a response.

You asked on another thread where should we draw the line - this is a good example. It is inexcusable that you were not given information that you were entitled to in time to use that information. Nice letter to the gazette, by the way - did you get any resonses?

As an aside, I think that positive campaigns to get councils to examine the good things about aires etc are the way to go; telling them they are wrong to put up banning notices, although it is in effect saying a similar thing, is not going to work - it's human nature.

 

[sagart]

There have been one or two threads on this subject and I'm not sure in which one I should post now. I don't suppose it matters - we're all well aware of the history here.

I did write to the Whitby Gazette and they published the two pictures I sent them. Here:Something to learn about parking - Letters - Whitby Gazette

You'll remember and be able to find the other letters in the same newspaper, I'm sure.

My attempts to bypass the parking manager and put my proposals to a tourist official were unsuccessful and I had to deal with her. I didn't bully her. I haven't heard from her for nearly two months but prior to that she told me that there was to be a traffic committee meeting early October and she would pass my proposals to committee members. She would also tell me of decisions taken at the meeting. My response was to ask for details of when the meeting would be held, who would be attending and how I could check their business interests.

She dud not respond and until today I haven't pressed her to answer. Today I have asked more firmly for a response.

Register of Interests can be downloaded from Councillors Register of Interest Forms as submitted to Scarborough Borough Council

 

[John H]

Register of Interests can be downloaded from Councillors Register of Interest Forms as submitted to Scarborough Borough Council

True but, to me, the really bad thing about the lack of response is that Tom would have been entitled to attend the meeting at which his issue was being discussed if he had been informed of the date. It might be that meeting dates are on the council website (they usually are) but if you are interested in a specific issue you need to know which of these meeting dates is the appropriate one (and meeting dates have a habit of changing after they are posted!). The lack of response to this basis request is inexcusable.

 

[Viktor]

I stick by what I said earlier. By pushing these people we may cause more problems

I don't believe so....lots of time and trouble and cost to go through to put all the legal ducks in a row, (in these days of
cutbacks and budgets)......
I suspect they would rather keep quiet and work on the premise that less publicity works to their advantage.

 

[maureenandtom]

There have been one or two threads on this subject and I'm not sure in which one I should post now. I don't suppose it matters - we're all well aware of the history here.

I did write to the Whitby Gazette and they published the two pictures I sent them. Here:Something to learn about parking - Letters - Whitby Gazette

You'll remember and be able to find the other letters in the same newspaper, I'm sure.

My attempts to bypass the parking manager and put my proposals to a tourist official were unsuccessful and I had to deal with her. I didn't bully her. I haven't heard from her for nearly two months but prior to that she told me that there was to be a traffic committee meeting early October and she would pass my proposals to committee members. She would also tell me of decisions taken at the meeting. My response was to ask for details of when the meeting would be held, who would be attending and how I could check their business interests.

She dud not respond and until today I haven't pressed her to answer. Today I have asked more firmly for a response.

Being a little more firm worked and I wish I had been as firm from the start. Eventually, on 4th November, I heard that my proposals had not been discussed at the committee meeting in October.

I haven't yet been able to find out the exact date of the next meeting, but it will be in January, and the council has confirmed that my proposals will be on the agenda and also, today, the chairman of the meeting also emailed me that they will be discussed. I have been promised that I will receive Minutes of the Meeting. So, here is our opportunity.

The councillors involved are:

Chairman Cllr Tim Lawn cllr.tim.lawn@scarboough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Godfrey Allanson cllr.godfrey.allanson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr John Armsby cllr.john.armsby@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Subash Sharma cllr.Subash.Sharma@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Janet Jefferson cllr.Janet.Jefferson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Brian Watson cllr.brian.watson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr David Chance cllr.david.chance@scarborough.gov.uk

Officers attending will be:

Stuart Clark, Parking and Client Manager stuart.clark@scarborough.gov.uk
Kerry Metcalfe, Corporate Finance Manager kerry.metcalfe@scarborough.gov.uk *
Brian Bennett, Head of Tourism and Culture brian.bennett@scarborough.gov.uk
Jane Wilson, Deputy Parking Manager jane.wilson@scarborough.gov.uk

Kerry Metcalfe's email address is a guess – but it looks like a good guess!! And I'm not sure that Kerry Metcalfe has a copy of my booklet.

The booklet which I believe is now in the possession of all those above is at Booklet for Copeland as PDF.pdf - 4shared.com - document sharing - download and you can download it from there.

Background stuff on the Councillors is here Scarborough Borough Council: Your Councillors

I had hoped a small team of officers would investigate the possibility of providing Aire type parking and services to advise the committee and perhaps we could have had small scale trial as proof of concept – and perhaps we still can. The objections a council officer has put so far are below and I think these will be the arguments officers will use to oppose my proposals.

I intend to email all the above asking that they read my booklet and, in my email, I will put my arguments about the above and also show how council administrators, council tax payers, local businesses and motorhomers will benefit.

Motor home parking is going to be discussed. It can't do any harm to put, individually, our views to all those attending the meeting. This is our opportunity. The more views we put to group members the better. Any ideas, even those already put?

I also thought it might be a good idea to involve the local press. Get voters in the area to put their views.

 

[anfi1]

The original topic was about local traders not being happy about motorhomes parking overnight for free,but now Scarborough council are considering charging for parking on Marine drive through the winter,but guess what the local traders are saying that taking the free parking away will kill them off!

 

[Tbear]

Being a little more firm worked and I wish I had been as firm from the start. Eventually, on 4th November, I heard that my proposals had not been discussed at the committee meeting in October.

I haven't yet been able to find out the exact date of the next meeting, but it will be in January, and the council has confirmed that my proposals will be on the agenda and also, today, the chairman of the meeting also emailed me that they will be discussed. I have been promised that I will receive Minutes of the Meeting. So, here is our opportunity.

The councillors involved are:

Chairman Cllr Tim Lawn cllr.tim.lawn@scarboough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Godfrey Allanson cllr.godfrey.allanson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr John Armsby cllr.john.armsby@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Subash Sharma cllr.Subash.Sharma@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Janet Jefferson cllr.Janet.Jefferson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr Brian Watson cllr.brian.watson@scarborough.gov.uk
Member Cllr David Chance cllr.david.chance@scarborough.gov.uk

Officers attending will be:

Stuart Clark, Parking and Client Manager stuart.clark@scarborough.gov.uk
Kerry Metcalfe, Corporate Finance Manager kerry.metcalfe@scarborough.gov.uk *
Brian Bennett, Head of Tourism and Culture brian.bennett@scarborough.gov.uk
Jane Wilson, Deputy Parking Manager jane.wilson@scarborough.gov.uk

Kerry Metcalfe's email address is a guess – but it looks like a good guess!! And I'm not sure that Kerry Metcalfe has a copy of my booklet.

The booklet which I believe is now in the possession of all those above is at Booklet for Copeland as PDF.pdf - 4shared.com - document sharing - download and you can download it from there.

Background stuff on the Councillors is here Scarborough Borough Council: Your Councillors

I had hoped a small team of officers would investigate the possibility of providing Aire type parking and services to advise the committee and perhaps we could have had small scale trial as proof of concept – and perhaps we still can. The objections a council officer has put so far are below and I think these will be the arguments officers will use to oppose my proposals.

I intend to email all the above asking that they read my booklet and, in my email, I will put my arguments about the above and also show how council administrators, council tax payers, local businesses and motorhomers will benefit.

Motor home parking is going to be discussed. It can't do any harm to put, individually, our views to all those attending the meeting. This is our opportunity. The more views we put to group members the better. Any ideas, even those already put?

I also thought it might be a good idea to involve the local press. Get voters in the area to put their views.

Hi Maureenandtom,

Regards the councils reply;

Point 1 about the 1984 act comes down to do they want us to come and spend our money or not. Especially in the off season.

Point 2 Complaints about how we behave. I would of course hand over to Jeremy Clarkson for justice one or two people for dumping sewage in the street gutters and drains. He may take into account the amount of dog and seagull poo being washed of the roads into the drains but I feel sure he will bring back Keel Hauling as a deterrent. Makes you wonder where they would dump it is not in the drain. As for litter, Whats the difference between a car drivers chip wrapper and a motorhomers. Secuity is going to be hugely improved by having somebody with a £40 000 parked up as if anything is kicking off they are going to do something before it gets damaged and I dont think the average criminal is going to want to be watched by a couple of families of motorhomers while he tries to do a bit of thieving.

What is their arguement:wacko:

May I add that I think you are doing a first class job and please carry on in your calm logical way.

Richard

 

[cooljules]

Hi Maureenandtom,

Regards the councils reply;

Point 1 about the 1984 act comes down to do they want us to come and spend our money or not. Especially in the off season.

Point 2 Complaints about how we behave. I would of course hand over to Jeremy Clarkson for justice one or two people for dumping sewage in the street gutters and drains. He may take into account the amount of dog and seagull poo being washed of the roads into the drains but I feel sure he will bring back Keel Hauling as a deterrent. Makes you wonder where they would dump it is not in the drain. As for litter, Whats the difference between a car drivers chip wrapper and a motorhomers. Secuity is going to be hugely improved by having somebody with a £40 000 parked up as if anything is kicking off they are going to do something before it gets damaged and I dont think the average criminal is going to want to be watched by a couple of families of motorhomers while he tries to do a bit of thieving.

What is their arguement:wacko:

May I add that I think you are doing a first class job and please carry on in your calm logical way.

Richard

but i dont have a 40000k motorhome........lucky if mines worth 400quid. so does that mean im less important? would i treat the area less, with no respect?

 

[Pollik]

You are right Jules, it shouldn't make a difference, but the reality is that it probably does. If they see 'wealth' in a MH, it should help them see money going into shops tills.

I know it doesn't work like that...the 'wealthy' are often more stingy with their money.

All I can say about Scarborough is that I am glad tourism must be booming for them...in this long term, no end in sight recession, I would have expected them to bite our hands off, especially out of season when their car parks are empty and generating no revenue at all. Trouble is, we can only vote for councillors who put themselves forward and I have a theory that someone actively seeking power is reason enough for disqualification.

 

[bobmarley3]

Next winter MH's will be expected to pay £1 for 24 hours on Marine Drive.
See Parking plans give boost to motorists - Local - Scarborough Evening News

This of course assumes you can actually get on the Marine Drive due to the blinky big hole Yorkshire Water is going to excavate near their toll house pumping station (see Marine Drive to be closed - Environment - Scarborough Evening News)

 

[Channa]

What is the current situation with Scarborough ? Ideally need to stop over a night late this week ,,,,,errm young lady for company too......:tongue: She has never camped before nevermind wilded. So less hassle the better.

What is the situation at Sea Life ? Marine drive etc?

Channa

 

[al n sal]

we was on marine drive about a month ago, no-one bothred us, although we first parked away from the other vans and was then surrounded by the boy racers, (they didn't cause us any probs either, just a little noisey), so moved closer to the gaggle of vans.:goodluck: