Scarborough traders complain

Yes, I think that's true. I've said exactly the same thing during discussions on whether we should try for Aires. This is not altogether different from the situation in France. I first noticed this in Capbreton maybe fifteen years ago and it seemed reasonable to me then and it seems reasonable to me now - provided they get the charging right. We still used Francs then and I can't remember the price in Francs but it was three or four pounds. I don't know how much Capbreton charges now but the last time I was there I know that there were notices declaring that overnight parking in the town was frowned upon. I've since seen it in several towns but nowadays I hardly notice.

I know that if a French council provided an Aire at five or six Euros I'd feel uncomfortable wild camping in the market square leaving the Aire unused.

An excellent point. Of course if there is a good Aire for a few Euros you would use it rather than park in the market square (although unless there is a local bylaw this is generally legal in France) but you just have to look at the discussions on the French campingcar-infos forum and on their wonderful CAMPINGCAR-INFOS database to see what our very well established French motorhomers think about being over charged (or charged at all) for motorhome parking. You also read many a comment about this restaurant or this baker or other services to know (like us) most of them spend locally. I wonder then if the reasons so many French people have motorhomes is because its easy for them to enjoy their travels in France wheras less per capita own them here because it isnt easy and those of us that do own them prefer to spend our hard earned abroad because they make it easy for us and lets face it the French Alps, Dordogne and the Med are slightly more appealing than Scarborough! You think they would be fighting to keep us here!
 
Just out of interest I looked up that old post of mine I referred to. It was in a closed thread http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/general-chat/11823-aires-uk.html so I can't quote from it directly but it's still interesting to read. You know, it might not be to everybody's taste to have Aires in Britain.

This is a screenshot of my post then

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Probably nothing. It's what some of us do now.

Exactly, and its what i've done for years when i dont feel right somewhere, so i'm buggered if i'm gunna pay £10, if i park in sea life i always put money in the machine, even after 6, so if i still go, which i doubt, am putting nowt in,
 
Just out of interest I looked up that old post of mine I referred to. It was in a closed thread http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/general-chat/11823-aires-uk.html so I can't quote from it directly but it's still interesting to read. You know, it might not be to everybody's taste to have Aires in Britain.

This is a screenshot of my post then

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Yes quite. Be careful what you wish for eh!

What we have enjoyed and appreciated overseas can never I dont think be repeated here for a whole host of reasons.
 
I'd give them a fiver to park in a good spot or if it was a good Aire de service then I would pay a tenner no problem but to expect us to pay a tenner when the locals will be parking for free just down the road. We pay the road tax just the same as they do. Whats the difference whether you are in the van or not?
We cannot go far this year. Daughter pregnant with twins and Mother in law not too well so the Yorkshire coast sounded a good idea. As a Yorkshireman I think I will be giving my money to the Welsh this year as the last time we visited the S. Wales coast we where made very welcome for little cost and had a great time. Fantastic coast, empty beaches, beautiful countryside.

Richard
 
the town is a dump, thats for sure, but some of the coastal walks are spectacular especially round Bempton Cliffs,Filey Brigg and a place called Cloughton, thats why i go, i dont go into the town, i go to pubs outside town, like the Manor ? at Scalby do an amazing breakfast, theres also a pub in Cloughton, cant think of its name but the grub is fantastic.

I've just spent a few nights away on the North Yorkshire coast, the first night at Runswick Bay in the car park (charges payable 9am - 6pm), had the car park to myself and the most beautiful view from my bed the following morning. There are even free 24 hour beautifully kept public toilets right next to the cafe. It was so lovely that I willingly paid to stay on the car park till early afternoon and had a lovely walk on the beach with the dog and a coffee and something to eat in the village cafe. Win win situation.

Then I moved on to meet friends at teatime who were staying at the C&C site right next door to Scalby Manor Pub, it was costing them £25 for 2 nights incl hook up and those that weren't members were supposed to pay an additional fee but apparently the site forgot to charge them. After a dog walk along the cliff tops which was stunning, we ate in Scalby Manor pub and I can definitely recommend the Mon - Sat Carvery Meal Deal at the pub, a massive plate full for £3.99 or £5.79 including a pint. If breakfast been served in the pub from 8am (breakfast was served from 9am) we would have had breakfast too but we had to be away by 8.30. I parked the van in a quiet corner away from the cameras in the pub car park and was away by 8.30 and had no probs. I wondered about asking permission to stay over in their car park whilst we were having a meal but decided not to ask in case they said no. If I'd been challenged, I would have said that I'd had a drink or wasn't feeling well. I even managed to sneak a shower in the caravan site showers ;)

The following night (after a rather special result - those of you who follow RTP on Facebook will probably catch up with our big news) I stayed up on Fylindale Moor, a choice of 2 hard standings just off one of the quietest roads in Britain - in 24 hours I only saw about 4 vehicles and 2 cyclists. Another "wake up to a beautiful view" spot. Not sure if any of these are on the POI, will check and post details if not.

But the main point with regards to Scarborough is, as other people have said, that there are other stunning places to stay in that part of the world and unless you particularly want or need to be in an urban area (shops / mobile & internet reception / close to venue for specific events) I would recommend leaving the sea front in Scarborough to those who can afford a parking charge or who really need to be in town, and seek out those lovely hidden bays and beaches, or stay high up on the moors and cliffs.

Credit to Maureen for all the hard work she has put in on behalf of MHomers, the result may not be to the liking of the majority - I wouldn't pay £10 overnight parking fee plus daytime parking charges because I simply couldn't afford to do that everywhere I stayed and I work on the principle of spending approx a fiver wherever I stay, either in parking charges or in local shops / cafes, with the odd spot every now and again where there's free parking and so remote that there's no local village or services being a "free" bonus. But for those who can afford the charges, or those who don't wish to be out in the middle of nowhere, Maureen's hard work does mean that hopefully MHomers will in future have the choice to pay and stay if they so wish.
 
I have asked at Scalby manor and they said no, only because they are right next to a caravan site, which i totally understand, the breakfast is amazin, and the carvery,
 
Exactly, and its what i've done for years when i dont feel right somewhere, so i'm buggered if i'm gunna pay £10, if i park in sea life i always put money in the machine, even after 6, so if i still go, which i doubt, am putting nowt in,

like you last time we went we parked on marine drive and went to pay,didn"t realise charges didn"t start till the following morning. woul be happy to pay £5 overnite but not any more without fresh water and toilet emptying.
 
I have asked at Scalby manor and they said no, only because they are right next to a caravan site, which i totally understand, the breakfast is amazin, and the carvery,

:lol-053: good job I didn't ask then. I did think they might have pointed that out and I did feel a bit cheeky but I was only there about 10 hours, and ate and drank in the pub so I didn't feel too bad. I suppose it's easier for me in the Tranny to stealth camp and get away with it than it is for someone in a coachbuilt MH. The breakfast did look good though.

Hi ho, off again tomorrow :D meeting up with Firefox and we're going to Tewkesbury to be very loud and not act our age and dance in the mud at a festival for the weekend :beer: It will be my longest trip (in distance) since I got the Tranny but she's running sweet, and is gradually turning into a mobile boudoir and I'm loving it and the freedom it's giving me.
 
:lol-053: good job I didn't ask then. I did think they might have pointed that out and I did feel a bit cheeky but I was only there about 10 hours, and ate and drank in the pub so I didn't feel too bad. I suppose it's easier for me in the Tranny to stealth camp and get away with it than it is for someone in a coachbuilt MH. The breakfast did look good though.

Hi ho, off again tomorrow :D meeting up with Firefox and we're going to Tewkesbury to be very loud and not act our age and dance in the mud at a festival for the weekend :beer: It will be my longest trip (in distance) since I got the Tranny but she's running sweet, and is gradually turning into a mobile boudoir and I'm loving it and the freedom it's giving me.

Sounds like fun, hope the weather stays dry for you
 
Sounds like fun, hope the weather stays dry for you

Day 1 - :drive: :welcome: :beer: :cheers: :fun: :wacko: :banana: :cheers: :wacko: :banana: :cheers: :idea: :juggle: :cool1: :danger: :have fun: :beer: :cheers: :banana: :sleep-040: :sleep-027: :dnd:

Day 2 - :idea: :beer: :cheers: :fun: :wacko: :banana: :cheers: :wacko: :banana: :cheers: :idea: :juggle: :ditto: :ditto: :ditto: :sleep-040: :sleep-027: :dnd:

Day 3 - :sad: :drive:


No need for words, photos will be on FB tomorrow.

;) Ask Firefox about "Mimi" ... :heart: ????????
 
My apologies to Arthur



Is this not pretty well what we want? I mean we won't know for sure until we know about details of charging and possible provision of services. But, is this not a step forward? Not for those who don't want Aires and not for those who don't want to go to Scarborough but, at the very least, is this not now another little evidence to present to any other council having problems with motorhomes?
 
I fear the devil will be in the detail.

The Secretary of State is going to make Traffic Regulations much easier to set up. That makes it easier to ban certain classes of vehicles. Maybe a Council will offer a grotty car park somewhere at a tenner a night with no facilities, greenery or view - or maybe they will just ban us.

Be afraid, be very afraid!
 
I fear the devil will be in the detail.

The Secretary of State is going to make Traffic Regulations much easier to set up. That makes it easier to ban certain classes of vehicles. Maybe a Council will offer a grotty car park somewhere at a tenner a night with no facilities, greenery or view - or maybe they will just ban us.

Be afraid, be very afraid!

And also make other councils follow suit, i think the chap who is asking for the overnight signs to be took away needs to go into hiding, i'm not particularly bothered now about Scarbs, if i want to go, i will jsut park on a street somewhere then go down the seafront at 8 am, stay there all day not spend any money which will pee the residents off even more, what they really need to do is ban MH all together from parking anywhere in Scarbs, Filey, Whitby, then wait for the figures to roll in, loss in trade, they will be begging us to come back, just my thoughts, i'm sticking to pub car parks inland, the landlords welcome us with open arms and i dont mind sticking my hard earned pennies over the bar, helping to keep the pub open.
 
I'm having difficulty with all this and the things I want to to know, I want to know genuinely and not for the sake of a bad-tempered argument.

I think what Scarborough is doing is a good thing - this is my honest feeling. The town might not get it right at first - but that's up to us to influence what happens and it's down to price and location and eventually, perhaps, services too. Why do you not even want the town to make this first move - let's be honest, the first move to a system almost universally applauded?

Is it just Scarborough you want not to provide Aires or is it everywhere? Would you like the European Aires system dismantled? The approval of the Coninental system is pretty well universal - there are only few who come out and say they don't like them - so I don't understand why Scarborough is getting villified for doing something that we approve of elsewhere. Is it because they've been a long time coming round to our point of view? Our noses out of joint a bit?

Is it that we just don't trust our own local government? I don't. I definitely don't but most of us seem to. But not about this?

Many will refuse to use the new Aire - and that's fine - but is it not a little hypocritical to continue using Aires elsewhere in Europe?

Help me out, eh?
 
Agreed. He is showing a breathtaking lack of common sense and a complete misunderstanding of the consequences.

How can making public bodies work honestly show a lack of common sense? I don't want an argument about legality or illegality. Dishonesty is dishonesty whatever words you use. Ethically wrong for them to show notices they have no power to enforce, ok? Let's not weasel on about precise meanings of words. These signs are wrong. Why do you want public bodies to continue using them?
 
Dear Mr Watson

Could you please explain to me why Scarborough is so 'anti motorhome'

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Can you not adopt a 'French' attitude and provide Aires? this would encourage more people from abroad.
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Miss Morris​
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It looks like you were successful. You changed his mind, Why have you changed your mind? I don't want bad temper, I truly want to know. Your answer might very well change my own mind.
 
I think the point is that there are very few people in this country that actually want to camp off sites as they have been brain washed into thinking this is the only way by the clubs and magazines who if you look never have a bad word to say about either build quality of new motorhomes or the clubs as this is their main source of advertising revenue !
How refreshing it would be to see an article that actually said this camper or this site is a pile of crap and until it is sorted do not use or buy it ?

The thing with making a fuss in this country about forming aires is that once a few miserable grotty car parks have been allocated for motorhome use then councils may well seek the powers to enforce the no overnighting signs which would then stop it completely !
I am afraid that I park beside no overnight signs as I cannot stand some jumped up twerp telling me where to park
I will use a pub car park sometimes but really only if the weather bad or as a last resort as do not like to feel that I need to spend money alll the time !
Some are happy to just buy a few pints which I consider a joke as the profit on that is tiny and then expext to fill up with water and empty cassettes etc .
If I stay at a pub I like to spend a decent amount there on meals etc .
Most of our stays are off the grid in places with no facillities as we can last for 4 or 5 days with no need for anything and we like the freedom
I understand the need for campsites but why not buy a van with just a bed and cooker as all the other expensive equipment is not needed for those people that use sites ?
We stay in Cornwall a lot in the winter and are often alone in places that in summer are heaving and speaking to retaraunt owners etc they like us motorhomers as we are year round customers .

You'll have to watch that bit in red. You'll get as much Triple A as me.

Last week, I stayed four nights in the town where I had my little parking battle. I had received a FOI answer from the council telling me that there is no offence of cooking, sleeping, camping. You might remember I told of it. There is still a sign saying "No overnight sleeping" though it is no longer on the list of offences.

I slept soundly beside the sign. I didn't truly want a ticket but I'd have been quite pleased to get one. I'd have enjoyed quoting their own words back to them

I also spent one night in DuncanAndersons car park at the Portsmouth Arms. Much to be recommended. Thank you Duncan and Dee for making us welcome.
 

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