Scarborough traders complain

I received these minutes today.

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I'm not sure if the council now think my involvement is at an end but I've already responded by suggesting that if the £10 proposed charge is in addition to a similar daily parking fee then their one year trial begins with a disadvantage and I might respond again when their plans become final.

I don't think this is final – officers are to prepare a report for consideration by the Portfolio Holder. I'm not sure who this is but I think it is Councillor Backhouse and I know many of us know of his conflicting interests. I don't think his conflicting interest is necessarily a bad thing for us.

I can tell you who attended the meeting together with their contact details but the stuff I provided earlier is probably enough.

Something was going to happen about parking in Scarborough and maybe we'll come out with something of advantage to us.
 
Sorry, I only just caught up with this thread. We went to Scarborough....once!!. I've never been enamoured with anywhere North of Stoke-on-Trent, we did go to Harrogate a few weeks ago, but only because we had to. Councils placing restrictions on Campervans will only strengthen my resolve to avoid the place. I say, head South young man....head for the Sun and the warmth.
 
Scalby Mills carpark, what goes round comes round, didn't that used to be a Caravan site?
 
:cheers: in land for us lol
al n sal said:
we've always made a point of spending money in the local small community, not major chains, etc,

if they make moves to make it more difficult for us, then I'm more than happy to move my camping in-land definitely away from Scarborough.

then they won't get any of my hard earned money.

plenty of nice places to visit, that want my cash:mad1:,
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i would say give it one year and see what happens,

if you have 30 mhs with 2 people in it that 60 persons they wouldnt of have had,

so the local business may not suffer that mutch but take that out of every day/week,during the summer.

soon the local small business will see that the hoteliers are the problem,not the mh drivers/campers.

i noted the £10 a night fee,good if your not going to get harrased by locals but cant see that being done.

just my bawbees worth,tend not to stay near towns pass through get what i need and find a quieter spot.
 
When it can be less than £10 to park on a cl/cs with more facilities provided for us? I think they are shooting themselves in the foot. It is a shame that we cannot inform local residents that they will have to make up the funds lost from our spending when we go somewhere else. Going by the number of Mhomes we spotted on our last visit. This is going to be a considerable amount.

Richard
 
ok £10 hmmm i supose this will be just for parking over night and wont include electric and emptying waste etc well me and my better half only paid £8:50 a night on a CL site which included electric, emptying waste, and fillup with water so i consider £10 a little expensive just for parking over night what do others think?
 
Just feels like discrimination against a group of generally good people who spend a lot of time out and about (not like the offensive drunken types that are the real scourge of Scarborough). £10!!!!!! do they think that will attract us in lol, what a shame an empty overnight carpark such as West Pier which we enjoy with the children due to the ease of fishing and close proximate of the shops will be off limits. Spent a small fortune in Scarborough last year, will not bother anymore, and no, you guessed it we won't be booking a hotel instead. They should be throwing the doors open for a price consistent with the current carpark prices and letting the traders benefit. British controlling, money grabbing politicians, you've gotta love em.:sucks:
 
I'd rather pass my tenner in the direction of a local pub for a few pints of ale :)

And you'd probably be in a more pleasant location with a nicer car park - toilets too ...
 
Why go there?

Hi Tbear

A great retort, I agree with you they don't understand the money we spend and just whine,I have never stayed there but payed good money on camp sites in the area.I first traveled in France in the 70's, what an eye opener to the crap money grabbing site's in the UK. The more I see here from the poor farmers- come camp site's the more I head abroad, They need to get off there subsidised tractors and range rovers and see how Europe handle it,(IT's not a part time job in the Summer if we have sun, to grab the money). Not one of the village shops in Europe, that I bought my bread wine meat complained about the Aires I stayed on in their village at next to no cost, nice friendly locals, we are about to set off again soon.Come on you great town's and (so called over priced camp sites that don't what my Motorhome or money, give me a reason to tour my own back yard.

RANT OVER! Regards Snowbirds.




Tbear said:
Who are these faceless, nameless traders that are in despair?

Is it the man I buy newspaper from?
Is it the café I get my Coffee and Bacon Sandwich from?
Is it the garage I get a tank of petrol from?
Is it the shop I buy provisions from?
Is it the girl I buy an Ice cream from?
Is it the Chippie I get my supper from?
Perhaps it,s the pub that I have the odd pint in.

Or is it some money grabber who wants me to spend £30.00 to park on soft grass and maybe I will get a few gallons of water and empty my tanks which I can do for free elsewhere.

If a hundred motorhomes (not the dozen or so I have seen) parked along Marine drive at night, you could still do it without blocking anyones view and there will still be masses of space for other people to park at night.

I admit that I am not putting money directly in the hotel owners pockets but after a great weekend in Scarborough, I go back to work and tell friends and colleagues what a wonderful time I had in Scarborough. Not going to do them any harm is it?

Richard
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The responses are interesting but I think there's a point missing. Those of us who think Scarborough is a crap place are not part of Scarborough's problem; it's those of us who want to go there - and there seem to be plenty who do.

I think their tentative decision to provide parking places is encouraging and follows the recent similar decision by Fylde Council. For those of us who would like to see the Aires system established in the UK, and I see little disagreement about that, then the more councils who make a start the better. Maybe some of us who don't like Scarborough will still be able to use this as an example and encourage places we do like to do the same. Got to start somewhere and this is part of the start.

Is it just the proposed £10 fee? For myself I think a 24 hour fee at this level would be fine even without facilities though probably not if there is to be a daytime fee too. On the subject of facilities I think it would be unreasonable to expect the council to spend on facilities before they have properly tested the theory.
 
Well i wont be paying £10 to stop in a car park, like canalsman said, rather put it behind a bar in a local pub, they can stuff it, and i do think its a bit much asking for facilities when we are always banging on about how much we dont need them, its a real shame for Scarborough, the coastline is beautiful, and i will miss it but me thinks there is plenty of riverside and local villages that will welcome my hard earned cash, eg Buxworth, rather give them mi tenner.

why cant they just keep things as they are, allow parking overnight and charge say £5, they would earn more that way, thats my view anyway
 
kimbowbill said:
Well i wont be paying £10 to stop in a car park, like canalsman said, rather put it behind a bar in a local pub, they can stuff it, and i do think its a bit much asking for facilities when we are always banging on about how much we dont need them, its a real shame for Scarborough, the coastline is beautiful, and i will miss it but me thinks there is plenty of riverside and local villages that will welcome my hard earned cash, eg Buxworth, rather give them mi tenner.

why cant they just keep things as they are, allow parking overnight and charge say £5, they would earn more that way, thats my view anyway
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Because the public perception is that there are too many of us. You've seen the newspaper letters and, like me, you've responded to the press. I think you're right about the charging, and I've passed on my opinion about that to the council, but I think Scarborough is right to provide a rudimentary Aire and I hope they do. How it works out remains to be seen but they're new to this and if they get it right then I'd like to see more councils doing the same - just like the mainland Europe we're so pleased to tell people about.
 
alot of small coastal villages charge £5 i.e in honesty box concept to park over night,which u dont mind paying if it helps upgrading and
gives u access to water etc.

not come across many that dont want you there.

but there will be some
 
I see a pattern here. Fylde council have done the same. What Fylde have done is apparently answered our needs and also satisfied the demands of the locals to get rid of us. You see by Fylde providing an official car park for us to park on it has enabled them to enforce bylaws and strict no overnighting restrictions and signs on the long established already free overnight spots such as Fairhaven lake.

This is exactly what’s going to happen here. Once they provide you with an official car park for overnight parking there is no excuse for you to stop anywhere else (for free) and up go the signs and the enforceable byelaws.

Hmm. Well that’s fair enough you would think but then not when you look at the charges which over 24 hours the way both councils are proposing will be the same price as a campsite for a bit of tarmac and no facilities on a car park that otherwise would have been empty of a night! I dont give a stuff about having facilities and thats been the whole point but why would i pay £10 for my wheels to be on the ground in a car park when I can park on a street for free? All over europe its either free or a couple of Euros for this kind of parking but mostly free.

Doesn’t sound like progress to me. Either they don’t want us (which is my opinion) or they don’t value us or have just got it wrong.

Sorry but the continent once again gets my money this summer. Off in June for five months.
 
self sufficient

I never buy anything, I have window boxes full of vegetables and keep chickens in the bathroom......yeh right!

Restauranting out eats up my budget so i compromise with a takeaway in the MH (often eaten parked right outside in case I'm still hungry at the end of it)! I have suitable stocks however for when in the wilds!
 
barryd said:
I see a pattern here. Fylde council have done the same. What Fylde have done is apparently answered our needs and also satisfied the demands of the locals to get rid of us. You see by Fylde providing an official car park for us to park on it has enabled them to enforce bylaws and strict no overnighting restrictions and signs on the long established already free overnight spots such as Fairhaven lake.

This is exactly what’s going to happen here. Once they provide you with an official car park for overnight parking there is no excuse for you to stop anywhere else (for free) and up go the signs and the enforceable byelaws.

Hmm. Well that’s fair enough you would think but then not when you look at the charges which over 24 hours the way both councils are proposing will be the same price as a campsite for a bit of tarmac and no facilities on a car park that otherwise would have been empty of a night! I dont give a stuff about having facilities and thats been the whole point but why would i pay £10 for my wheels to be on the ground in a car park when I can park on a street for free? All over europe its either free or a couple of Euros for this kind of parking but mostly free.

Doesn’t sound like progress to me. Either they don’t want us (which is my opinion) or they don’t value us or have just got it wrong.

Sorry but the continent once again gets my money this summer. Off in June for five months.
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Yes, I think that's true. I've said exactly the same thing during discussions on whether we should try for Aires. This is not altogether different from the situation in France. I first noticed this in Capbreton maybe fifteen years ago and it seemed reasonable to me then and it seems reasonable to me now - provided they get the charging right. We still used Francs then and I can't remember the price in Francs but it was three or four pounds. I don't know how much Capbreton charges now but the last time I was there I know that there were notices declaring that overnight parking in the town was frowned upon. I've since seen it in several towns but nowadays I hardly notice.

I know that if a French council provided an Aire at five or six Euros I'd feel uncomfortable wild camping in the market square leaving the Aire unused.
 
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