NO MORE OVERNIGHT STAYS IN SCARBOROUGH

[JQB]

Just because tens of thousands haven't complained to the council Bill doesn't mean they won't have been bothered. It was indeed an eyesore at times and you can see some of the vans from properties I think and of course they are very visible from the front. I don't live in Barnard Castle or Richmond but they are my nearest towns and I wouldn't be happy if each time I drove into either there were a hundred motorhomes parked cheek by jowl all along the front or market place. Would I complain? Probably not but I would be happy for the council to move them on.

I've little doubt that the local rag will have rabble roused with exagerated untrue reports to sell papers, facts don"t come into the story. I've seen it happen.

 

[JQB]

That word really winds me up these days. How is it being entitled to expect to be treated the same if I go to the coast in my car or in my van?

There is a massive increase in people in vans in this country, an awful lot living in them because if they didn’t they would be in shop doorways or tents in parks. It isn’t just people with a bit of cash holidaying, I know a lot who couldn’t afford to pay £10 per night to stay anywhere more than once or twice a month.

Government and councils are not fulfilling their responsibilities they are just moving folk along, at some point something will break.

As i see it it's the basic resposibility of government to ensure that the populace have a roof over their head, food in their belly and healthcare.
However, not all governments believe in the above.

 

[JQB]

The following article says it all:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y33q1xlzvo

No problem, checkout local estate agents for the most upmarket expensive old established leafy roads, wide, quiet, high hedges, perfect, do it all the time, and of course in Scarborough etc we would make sure we don't spend a penny, they don't want us therefore they want our £.

 

[Rolyan57]

Many pubs welcome vans to stay overnight,i suppose it's because we never spend any money?

That’s completely different. Many pubs welcome us stopping overnight as long as we spend money. Obviously that does not apply to this situation, where some of the vans will spend no money locally. You can’t compare the two situations.

 

[Robmac]

That’s completely different. Many pubs welcome us stopping overnight as long as we spend money. Obviously that does not apply to this situation, where some of the vans will spend no money locally. You can’t compare the two situations.

Can I ask, do you spend locally when you stop somewhere?

 

[Rolyan57]

100% correct on all points. I don't know what can be done to make these council people understand that we are not all antisocial morons, but you are up against the established propaganda spouted by
interested parties for years now, repeat falsehoods often enough and they become hard facts. As has been said before, councils have many business people on them, including vociferous b&b hotel & campsite owners. They spot you having a brew in the van and you therefore "don't contribute to the local
economy"

Do you really believe that councils think we are all anti social morons? Or is it more likely that they realise that some of us are, but the cost of preventing it is not worth their while.

All the alledged business owners on councils using it for their own ends will be balanced by normal conscientious councillors. Not everything is a conspiracy.

If what you believe was true they wouldn’t be allowing daytime parking.

 

[Rolyan57]

Can I ask, do you spend locally when you stop somewhere?

Me personally? Yes. But nowhere near what some claim. I also know of others that spend next to nothing.

The point remains that you can’t compare stopping locally to stopping in a pub where it’s a requirement that you spend.

 

[Rolyan57]

Anti social behaviour? I know, it's all those pissed up drugged up pensioners in motorhomes guv! Do me a favour.

No, it’s the barbecues, the fire pits, and the rubbish/waste dumping etc. That’s generally the anti social behaviour by Motorhome’s that councils don’t like.

 

[Robmac]

Me personally? Yes. But nowhere near what some claim. I also know of others that spend next to nothing.

The point remains that you can’t compare stopping locally to stopping in a pub where it’s a requirement that you spend.

No, not what I was getting at really, although I do use pub stops and I do spend in them.

But in general like many (full timers aside) I use my van to go on holidays albeit short ones and l would imagine that the majority of motorhome owners do the same? When I go on holiday whether it be in the van or in a hotel I am not looking to scrimp and save I am looking to enjoy myself, dining out - even if it's just fish and chips or a Chinese, buying presents to take back to the grandkids, using the local butchers to supply the BBQ Etc. Etc. and then of course day to day necessities like bread and milk and beer.

In doing that I don't see myself being any different to the average motorhomer or other holidaymaker come to that so I do see us as a significant contributor if we are there in numbers. However, the large seaside towns get inundated in the Summer months so it's not going to break the bank for them without us - I fully appreciate that, but the Winter months are different. Given that the ban starts on 21st October it's probably not the best window they could have chosen and I would imagine that seaside towns would be looking to encourage visitors in the Winter when times are lean?

I still won't go there though.

 

[Fisherman]

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No, not what I was getting at really, although I do use pub stops and I do spend in them.

But in general like many (full timers aside) I use my van to go on holidays albeit short ones and l would imagine that the majority of motorhome owners do the same? When I go on holiday whether it be in the van or in a hotel I am not looking to scrimp and save I am looking to enjoy myself, dining out - even if it's just fish and chips or a Chinese, buying presents to take back to the grandkids, using the local butchers to supply the BBQ Etc. Etc. and then of course day to day necessities like bread and milk and beer.

In doing that I don't see myself being any different to the average motorhomer or other holidaymaker come to that so I do see us as a significant contributor if we are there in numbers. However, the large seaside towns get inundated in the Summer months so it's not going to break the bank for them without us - I fully appreciate that, but the Winter months are different. Given that the ban starts on 21st October it's probably not the best window they could have chosen and I would imagine that seaside towns would be looking to encourage visitors in the Winter when times are lean?

I still won't go there though.

Rob, why do you feel you have to justify yourself by how much you spend anywhere you go. No other group have to do this. Cars greatly outnumber us in every other similar location. Most of them are day trippers, many of whom will spend little if anything, but they don’t have to justify themselves, and nor should they. Councils are there to provide a service to the public, and I wonder how many of us reside in Scarborough. This is a curve ball, a loaded question, we all know we can’t spend anywhere near as much as someone living in a hotel or a B&B. You have worked all of your life, paid all of your taxes, it’s not much to ask that a few vans are allowed to stay overnight for a short duration, for those who wish to stay for a fee. It works fine in many other places if handled properly, why not here and other locations we are denied access to.
I agree it seems stupid commencing this ban in October, when things are quiet, but I am not surprised at this stupidity.

 

[Robmac]

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Rob, why do you feel you have to justify yourself by how much you spend anywhere you go. No other group have to do this. Cars greatly outnumber us in every other similar location. Most of them are day trippers, many of whom will spend little if anything, but they don’t have to justify themselves, and nor should they. Councils are there to provide a service to the public, and I wonder how many of us reside in Scarborough. This is a curve ball, a loaded question, we all know we can’t spend anywhere near as much as someone living in a hotel or a B&B. You have worked all of your life, paid all of your taxes, it’s not much to ask that a few vans are allowed to stay overnight for a short duration, for those who wish to stay for a fee. It works fine in many other places if handled properly, why not here and other locations we are denied access to.
I agree it seems stupid commencing this ban in October, when things are quiet, but I am not surprised at this stupidity.

I actually don't feel the need to justify my stay anywhere Bill but I will dispute the fact that some consider us to be a bunch of freeloading scumbags.

To be honest it's not a major worry on my mind but yesterday was the last day of my antibiotics so I couldn't get out for a beer, Julie and the dogs were asleep, I didn't want to stare at the gogglebox all night so I thought I'd have a few words on here to occupy myself.

 

[Fisherman]

I actually don't feel the need to justify my stay anywhere Bill but I will dispute the fact that some consider us to be a bunch of freeloading scumbags.

To be honest it's not a major worry on my mind but yesterday was the last day of my antibiotics so I couldn't get out for a beer, Julie and the dogs were asleep, I didn't want to stare at the gogglebox all night so I thought I'd have a few words on here to occupy myself.

Hope your ok Rob, and your antibiotics did the trick.
I just think we have to stop falling for that one.
Take a car, a bus, or a train to Scarborough with no questions, take a Motorhome and our worth is taken into consideration.
Hope you manage a beer or twelve today Rob

 

[Rolyan57]

No, not what I was getting at really, although I do use pub stops and I do spend in them.

But in general like many (full timers aside) I use my van to go on holidays albeit short ones and l would imagine that the majority of motorhome owners do the same? When I go on holiday whether it be in the van or in a hotel I am not looking to scrimp and save I am looking to enjoy myself, dining out - even if it's just fish and chips or a Chinese, buying presents to take back to the grandkids, using the local butchers to supply the BBQ Etc. Etc. and then of course day to day necessities like bread and milk and beer.

In doing that I don't see myself being any different to the average motorhomer or other holidaymaker come to that so I do see us as a significant contributor if we are there in numbers. However, the large seaside towns get inundated in the Summer months so it's not going to break the bank for them without us - I fully appreciate that, but the Winter months are different. Given that the ban starts on 21st October it's probably not the best window they could have chosen and I would imagine that seaside towns would be looking to encourage visitors in the Winter when times are lean?

I still won't go there though.

As I said, I do spend but it nowhere near what some claim. I mentioned the pub stop as someone referenced it to show we spend when stopping overnight. I explained that’s different as with a pub stop you have to spend, there’s no choice.

When vans stop over like they were doing in Scarborough, I don’t think they will spend as much as day trippers, or even those in B&B. Those visitors don’t have cooking, heating and fridge facilities.

We can’t compare ourselves to car day trippers where the infrastructure is already there. I’m still convinced this is a simple cost calculation; adding places and monitoring them would cost more to provide for restricted places than we bring in. There is no change obviously to visiting Scarborough like those in cars, trains, buses etc, motorhomers can still do that. The council are simply not prepared to put new additional cost into catering to our desires to camp on the front overnight.

There are some who think that there have been no complaints, no anti social behaviour, no concerns from emergency services, that we leave no trace and spend a lot, keeping the local economy afloat; they believe that despite that perfect situation, the council is corrupt where they are all owners of cafes and campsites, who are ignoring the local community for their own ends.

I personally think that’s simply not true. I can see the logic in this decision, I don’t take it personally and I will still be visiting Scarborough albeit on day trips.

 

[Robmac]

As I said, I do spend but it nowhere near what some claim. I mentioned the pub stop as someone referenced it to show we spend when stopping overnight. I explained that’s different as with a pub stop you have to spend, there’s no choice.

When vans stop over like they were doing in Scarborough, I don’t think they will spend as much as day trippers, or even those in B&B. Those visitors don’t have cooking, heating and fridge facilities.

We can’t compare ourselves to car day trippers where the infrastructure is already there. I’m still convinced this is a simple cost calculation; adding places and monitoring them would cost more to provide for restricted places than we bring in. There is no change obviously to visiting Scarborough like those in cars, trains, buses etc, motorhomers can still do that. They are simply not prepared to put new additional cost into catering to our desires to camp on the front overnight.

There are some who think that there have been no complaints, no anti social behaviour, no concerns from emergency services, that we leave no trace and spend a lot, keeping the local economy afloat; they believe that despite that perfect situation, the council is corrupt where they are all owners of cafes and campsites, who are ignoring the local community for their own ends.

I personally think that’s simply not true. I can see the logic in this decision, I don’t take it personally and I will still be visiting Scarborough albeit on day trips.

It's largely conjecture all round from both sides of the debate, the fact is that nobody knows who spends what and it will be a matter of seeing whether Scarborough goes bust over the Winter which I doubt and I also doubt that there will be a mass boycott by motorhomers to prove our worth one way or another.

So I'll leave it at that, I'm not bored now!

Enjoy your visits.

 

[Fisherman]

It's largely conjecture all round from both sides of the debate, the fact is that nobody knows who spends what and it will be a matter of seeing whether Scarborough goes bust over the Winter which I doubt and I also doubt that there will be a mass boycott by motorhomers to prove our worth one way or another.

So I'll leave it at that, I'm not bored now!

Enjoy your visits.

Well I am

 

[Pudsey Bear]

We make an effort to spend in the local small businesses butchers, newsagents, bakeries etc rather than supermarkets when we go into a town, Liz (the gobby one) will happily let them know we're in the van and that we like to spend locally rather than carry it all with us from home etc, how else will they be on our side if we just go in spend and leave.

We need to be a bit less anonymous when spending our hard earned.

 

[alcam]

We make an effort to spend in the local small businesses butchers, newsagents, bakeries etc rather than supermarkets when we go into a town, Liz (the gobby one) will happily let them know we're in the van and that we like to spend locally rather than carry it all with us from home etc, how else will they be on our side if we just go in spend and leave.

We need to be a bit less anonymous when spending our hard earned.

Excellent point .
I eat out every day . Food , drink and diesel is where my money goes when I'm on the road .
Not necessarily in that order

 

[Rolyan57]

It's largely conjecture all round from both sides of the debate, the fact is that nobody knows who spends what and it will be a matter of seeing whether Scarborough goes bust over the Winter which I doubt and I also doubt that there will be a mass boycott by motorhomers to prove our worth one way or another.

So I'll leave it at that, I'm not bored now!

Enjoy your visits.

Yes, it’s always conjecture, it’s been interesting to see what some believe. As they say, just because someone is paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not being picked on

I thinks it’s fair to assume that there is not a snowballs chance in hell that Scarborough will go bust, or that there will be a mass boycott. Let’s face it, no one denies that many fans spend, even daily; it’s just it doesn’t make a big difference in the grand scheme of things.

At least this kept you busy. Think of it as therapeutic private health

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I don’t feel the need to justify to anyone, at any time and place, how much or how little I’m prepared to spend.

This regular and repetitive argument bores me rigid and irritates the hell out of me.

Could have a right old rant about this (not restricted to Scarborough either!) but I won’t. Far more interesting things in life to have a debate about and folk will be shouting “scarf!” before I’ve even begun

Talking about how much money we might, or might not, spend when out and about in our vans is a big, fat, red herring, imo.

 

[Robmac]

I don’t feel the need to justify to anyone, at any time and place, how much or how little I’m prepared to spend.

This regular and repetitive argument bores me rigid and irritates the hell out of me.

Could have a right old rant about this (not restricted to Scarborough either!) but I won’t. Far more interesting things in life to have a debate about and folk will be shouting “scarf!” before I’ve even begun

Talking about how much money we might, or might not, spend when out and about in our vans is a big, fat red herring, imo.

It's all about PR Marie.