NO MORE OVERNIGHT STAYS IN SCARBOROUGH

[Robmac]

Hmm. Are you maybe related to wintonian?

To be fair Marie, Rolyan has stuck to his point quite politely and calmly. Wintonian would be in a red mist by now and would have resorted to some quite strong put downs if you disagreed with him!

 

[mariesnowgoose]

To be fair Marie, Rolyan has stuck to his point quite politely and calmly. Wintonian would be in a red mist by now and would have resorted to some quite strong put downs if you disagreed with him!

Yeah, but the point has been getting pretty laboured, Rob.

Not sure what more any of us can say about a situation we have no control over

 

[Robmac]

Yeah, but the point has been getting pretty laboured, Rob.

Not sure what more any of us can say about a situation we have no control over

Yep, time to agree to disagree I think Marie.

But what I said was right - whatever it was I said.

 

[Fisherman]

Yeah, but the point has been getting pretty laboured, Rob.

Not sure what more any of us can say about a situation we have no control over

You finished then, can I go get my tea now.

 

[Rolyan57]

To be fair Marie, Rolyan has stuck to his point quite politely and calmly. Wintonian would be in a red mist by now and would have resorted to some quite strong put downs if you disagreed with him!

Thank you. I’m not sure why she’s making those comments. I’ve explained my position and opinion calmly and politely when someone has questioned it.

I’m really surprised about the incorrect claims she’s making about my posts. But I can’t stop her so theres not much I can do really.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Thank you. I’m not sure why she’s making those comments. I’ve explained my position and opinion calmly and politely when someone has questioned it.

I’m really surprised about the incorrect claims she’s making about my posts. But I can’t stop her so theres not much I can do really.

OK, so I've checked again and confess it's my bad - I've misread your profile on postings, so apologies for that.

But you haven't been able to answer direct questions, and not just myself. Your responses have been evasive, imho. Sure you're not a politician of some kind?

I've no idea what your "position" is and I'm not sure exactly what "point" you're trying to make, other than get everyone and his auntie's cat to agree to to condemn bad behaviour by motorhomers parking outwith campsites. You'll get no arguments there. I made my views extremely clear in earlier posts, so I'm afraid there's nothing else I can say to help you with your problem, whatever it is.

PS. I'm not the the cat's mother either, Rolyan

 

[Rolyan57]

OK, so I've checked again and confess it's my bad - I've misread your profile on postings, so apologies for that.

But you haven't been able to answer direct questions, and not just myself. Your responses have been evasive, imho. Sure you're not a politician of some kind?

I've no idea what your "position" is and I'm not sure exactly what "point" you're trying to make, other than get everyone and his auntie's cat to agree to to condemn bad behaviour by motorhomers parking outwith campsites. You'll get no arguments there. I made my views extremely clear in earlier posts, so I'm afraid there's nothing else I can say to help you with your problem, whatever it is.

PS. I'm not the the cat's mother either, Rolyan

Thank you for the apology, I appreciate that.

As far as I’m concerned I have always answered a direct question and I would never be deliberately evasive. I honestly believe I’ve been very clear as to what my position is, even when it’s unpopular.

I don’t have a “problem” and like others who repeatedly post on here I’m not trying to get everyone to agree with me. I’m simply taking part in a discussion on a forum, giving my opinion, and answering questions where I can, politely and maturely.

If you can give an example of where you think I’ve been evasive, or haven’t answered a direct question, that would help clarify what you mean.

 

[barryd]

To be fair Marie, Rolyan has stuck to his point quite politely and calmly. Wintonian would be in a red mist by now and would have resorted to some quite strong put downs if you disagreed with him!

I miss old Wint. We got on alright but I always enjoyed a bit of argy bargy.

 

[Robmac]

I miss old Wint. We got on alright but I always enjoyed a bit of argy bargy.

Yeah there used to be some great ding dongs with Wintonian, John H and Northerner at one time. I had a few fall outs with him so when I met him and found him to be a nice chap I was quite surprised.

Mind you, he wasn't happy when my mate Tom's (@stonedaddy) dog pissed up his leg!

 

[Fisherman]

OK, so I've checked again and confess it's my bad - I've misread your profile on postings, so apologies for that.

But you haven't been able to answer direct questions, and not just myself. Your responses have been evasive, imho. Sure you're not a politician of some kind?

I've no idea what your "position" is and I'm not sure exactly what "point" you're trying to make, other than get everyone and his auntie's cat to agree to to condemn bad behaviour by motorhomers parking outwith campsites. You'll get no arguments there. I made my views extremely clear in earlier posts, so I'm afraid there's nothing else I can say to help you with your problem, whatever it is.

PS. I'm not the the cat's mother either, Rolyan

No one on here either condones or is blaze about poor behaviour by a few.
We have many times on here vented our spleens over the selfish actions of a few.
But what many don't agree with is what Scarborough are doing.
And thats the crux of the debate, not people breaking rules Marie.
This whole project was bound to fail, possibly the councillors got what they wanted.

 

[alcam]

Yeah there used to be some great ding dongs with Wintonian, John H and Northerner at one time. I had a few fall outs with him so when I met him and found him to be a nice chap I was quite surprised.

Mind you, he wasn't happy when my mate Tom's (@stonedaddy) dog pissed up his leg!

I'll buy that dog a bone !
Wintonian had great knowledge on certain subjects . Other times he came out with some incredible , often amusing , nonsense . Then he dug in and wouldn't budge .
He , more than once , accused me of drinking too much . ME !!!
He was bang on there

 

[Fazerloz]

I miss old Wint. We got on alright but I always enjoyed a bit of argy bargy.

Start a gas fridge thread then.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Thank you for the apology, I appreciate that.

As far as I’m concerned I have always answered a direct question and I would never be deliberately evasive. I honestly believe I’ve been very clear as to what my position is, even when it’s unpopular.

I don’t have a “problem” and like others who repeatedly post on here I’m not trying to get everyone to agree with me. I’m simply taking part in a discussion on a forum, giving my opinion, and answering questions where I can, politely and maturely.

If you can give an example of where you think I’ve been evasive, or haven’t answered a direct question, that would help clarify what you mean.

Right, so I've gone right back to the start of the thread and read all the way through.

I have now made a complete backtrack as I believe I've committed the cardinal sin of jumping into the middle of a thread without getting the full context - hardly surprising when so many other regular jokers on here are bantering away as usual - including me, guilty as charged!

Rolyan is spot on about some motorhomers (albeit a minority) shooting themselves (and the rest of us!) in the foot and why councils the length and breadth have been struggling to cope with the huge increase in motorhome/campervan traffic in nearly all of the scenic UK honeypots, and as a motorhomer who always tries to abide by the (mostly unwritten) rules and basic common decency I do understand exactly where he is coming from.

The world has changed immensely since the pandemic and this has thrown up a myriad of problems, one of which is the increased uptake of motorhoming/campervanning as a pastime amongst the general population and the ensuing increase in "staycations" (helped along nicely by a good dose of ****** and the new overseas travel restrictions).

This increase in congestion has naturally caused problems, mostly because it happened very quickly and without warning (pandemic) and the UK was never at the forefront in the provision of aires (understatement of the year!) to begin with - nor, I believe, will it ever be; at least in the short term.

The majority of the bad (selfish?) behaviour is probably down to newbies (educated guess?) acquiring campers and mohos for the very first time, together with an attendant increase in demand for Moho rentals from those who don't, or can't, go the whole hog and buy one. Put that alongside the myriad of specially made TV programs over the last 5 years, i.e. various odds and sods of celebrities etc. being invited to make self-indulgent campervan and motorhome trips around the UK, presenting this rosy, "lifestyle" image, and they have automatically publicised the "delights" of Moho ownership to a much wider audience, ergo more people wanting to take up the pastime. Then you've got social media on top, especially YouTube, with the various "van lifers", "van builders" blah, blah, ad infinitem, and the current situation with tourist hotspots being overrun with campers should come as no surprise to any of us.

And yes, we - or at least myself - dislike any kind of selfish behaviour (I don't just restrict my opinions on selfishness to motorhome park ups, btw!).

And yes, I also fully understand that councils have way bigger problems to address than a bunch of disgruntled motorhomers. I can see all sides of the argument, but there is little we can do about it other than to try and find workarounds in the face of ignorance (and never forget financial constraints!) on both sides of the fence.

It's a sad situation, but like so many other things in life it is so often the result of selfishness and ignorance, in this instance also aligned with a big dose of social and economic change right across the board.

OK, I've put me scarf round me gob now (are you there @Nabsim?!). Relief all round!

 

[Rolyan57]

Right, so I've gone right back to the start of the thread and read all the way through.

I have now made a complete backtrack as I believe I've committed the cardinal sin of jumping into the middle of a thread without getting the full context - hardly surprising when so many other regular jokers on here are bantering away as usual - including me, guilty as charged!

Rolyan is spot on about some motorhomers (albeit a minority) shooting themselves (and the rest of us!) in the foot and why councils the length and breadth have been struggling to cope with the huge increase in motorhome/campervan traffic in nearly all of the scenic UK honeypots, and as a motorhomer who always tries to abide by the (mostly unwritten) rules and basic common decency I do understand exactly where he is coming from.

The world has changed immensely since the pandemic and this has thrown up a myriad of problems, one of which is the increased uptake of motorhoming/campervanning as a pastime amongst the general population and the ensuing increase in "staycations" (helped along nicely by a good dose of ****** and the new overseas travel restrictions).

This increase in congestion has naturally caused problems, mostly because it happened very quickly and without warning (pandemic) and the UK was never at the forefront in the provision of aires (understatement of the year!) to begin with - nor, I believe, will it ever be; at least in the short term.

The majority of the bad (selfish?) behaviour is probably down to newbies (educated guess?) acquiring campers and mohos for the very first time, together with an attendant increase in demand for Moho rentals from those who don't, or can't, go the whole hog and buy one. Put that alongside the myriad of specially made TV programs over the last 5 years, i.e. various odds and sods of celebrities etc. being invited to make self-indulgent campervan and motorhome trips around the UK, presenting this rosy, "lifestyle" image, and they have automatically publicised the "delights" of Moho ownership to a much wider audience, ergo more people wanting to take up the pastime. Then you've got social media on top, especially YouTube, with the various "van lifers", "van builders" blah, blah, ad infinitem, and the current situation with tourist hotspots being overrun with campers should come as no surprise to any of us.

And yes, we - or at least myself - dislike any kind of selfish behaviour (I don't just restrict my opinions on selfishness to motorhome park ups, btw!).

And yes, I also fully understand that councils have way bigger problems to address than a bunch of disgruntled motorhomers. I can see all sides of the argument, but there is little we can do about it other than to try and find workarounds in the face of ignorance (and never forget financial constraints!) on both sides of the fence.

It's a sad situation, but like so many other things in life it is so often the result of selfishness and ignorance, in this instance also aligned with a big dose of social and economic change right across the board.

OK, I've put me scarf round me gob now (are you there @Nabsim?!). Relief all round!

Again, thank you so much for those comments regarding me and my position Marie, I do appreciate that.

As for the rest of your general comments, I agree with all that you say, from the newbies, to the problems that councils face, to the way this has been promoted as this romanticised idyllic way of life.

It’s going to be a difficult few years as I think we’ll see more of these closures. Hopefully we’ll also see an increase in Aires (more are reported week) and perhaps some of those who are causing these issues will sell up and go back to their original holidays.

Thanks again for taking the time and trouble to actually look at what I had written, and responding accordingly and saying you understand where I’m coming from, and if we meet I’ll get you a small sweet sherry.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Again, thank you so much for those comments regarding me and my position Marie, I do appreciate that.

As for the rest of your general comments, I agree with all that you say, from the newbies, to the problems that councils face, to the way this has been promoted as this romanticised idyllic way of life.

It’s going to be a difficult few years as I think we’ll see more of these closures. Hopefully we’ll also see an increase in Aires (more are reported week) and perhaps some of those who are causing these issues will sell up and go back to their original holidays.

Thanks again for taking the time and trouble to actually look at what I had written, and responding accordingly and saying you understand where I’m coming from, and if we meet I’ll get you a small sweet sherry.

Erm... you're on, but can you make that a G&T instead of sherry??

 

[Nabsim]

Lightweight Marie lol

I am not a lover of rules, I think there are far too many but that doesn’t mean I do any of the things mentioned in this thread or condone what others may or may not do.

I only ever go to the part of Scarborough in this post in Winter and I have never witnessed deck chairs, bbq’s fire pits of anyone leaving rubbish when I have been there. Most times they would be concerned about being hit by waves coming over the sea wall lol.

I put all the blame with the councils. Private parking firms can manage to catch drivers not doing what they should all the time and make a lot of money doing so. It’s council mismanagement if they aren’t policing their own policy’s and fining/prosecuting any wrong doers. It doesn’t need us condemning the wrongdoers, I condemn the council for not doing their job.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Lightweight Marie lol

I am not a lover of rules, I think there are far too many but that doesn’t mean I do any of the things mentioned in this thread or condone what others may or may not do.

I only ever go to the part of Scarborough in this post in Winter and I have never witnessed deck chairs, bbq’s fire pits of anyone leaving rubbish when I have been there. Most times they would be concerned about being hit by waves coming over the sea wall lol.

I put all the blame with the councils. Private parking firms can manage to catch drivers not doing what they should all the time and make a lot of money doing so. It’s council mismanagement if they aren’t policing their own policy’s and fining/prosecuting any wrong doers. It doesn’t need us condemning the wrongdoers, I condemn the council for not doing their job.

100%

Finance often enters into the equation, as well as a lack of will and vision and access to suitable systems.

 

[Rolyan57]

Erm... you're on, but can you make that a G&T instead of sherry??

Yep, a large.

 

[barryd]

There's a long thread on FB about this right now. Motorhome madness I think (the name of the group). The photo featured was today I think or recently. Not many vans but one has parked long ways across at least two bays and has erected an actual full size awning! Wtf!

 

[alcam]

Right, so I've gone right back to the start of the thread and read all the way through.

I have now made a complete backtrack as I believe I've committed the cardinal sin of jumping into the middle of a thread without getting the full context - hardly surprising when so many other regular jokers on here are bantering away as usual - including me, guilty as charged!

Rolyan is spot on about some motorhomers (albeit a minority) shooting themselves (and the rest of us!) in the foot and why councils the length and breadth have been struggling to cope with the huge increase in motorhome/campervan traffic in nearly all of the scenic UK honeypots, and as a motorhomer who always tries to abide by the (mostly unwritten) rules and basic common decency I do understand exactly where he is coming from.

The world has changed immensely since the pandemic and this has thrown up a myriad of problems, one of which is the increased uptake of motorhoming/campervanning as a pastime amongst the general population and the ensuing increase in "staycations" (helped along nicely by a good dose of ****** and the new overseas travel restrictions).

This increase in congestion has naturally caused problems, mostly because it happened very quickly and without warning (pandemic) and the UK was never at the forefront in the provision of aires (understatement of the year!) to begin with - nor, I believe, will it ever be; at least in the short term.

The majority of the bad (selfish?) behaviour is probably down to newbies (educated guess?) acquiring campers and mohos for the very first time, together with an attendant increase in demand for Moho rentals from those who don't, or can't, go the whole hog and buy one. Put that alongside the myriad of specially made TV programs over the last 5 years, i.e. various odds and sods of celebrities etc. being invited to make self-indulgent campervan and motorhome trips around the UK, presenting this rosy, "lifestyle" image, and they have automatically publicised the "delights" of Moho ownership to a much wider audience, ergo more people wanting to take up the pastime. Then you've got social media on top, especially YouTube, with the various "van lifers", "van builders" blah, blah, ad infinitem, and the current situation with tourist hotspots being overrun with campers should come as no surprise to any of us.

And yes, we - or at least myself - dislike any kind of selfish behaviour (I don't just restrict my opinions on selfishness to motorhome park ups, btw!).

And yes, I also fully understand that councils have way bigger problems to address than a bunch of disgruntled motorhomers. I can see all sides of the argument, but there is little we can do about it other than to try and find workarounds in the face of ignorance (and never forget financial constraints!) on both sides of the fence.

It's a sad situation, but like so many other things in life it is so often the result of selfishness and ignorance, in this instance also aligned with a big dose of social and economic change right across the board.

OK, I've put me scarf round me gob now (are you there @Nabsim?!). Relief all round!

Some size of scarf