NO MORE OVERNIGHT STAYS IN SCARBOROUGH

There's a long thread on FB about this right now. Motorhome madness I think (the name of the group). The photo featured was today I think or recently. Not many vans but one has parked long ways across at least two bays and has erected an actual full size awning! Wtf! 😳
Depending where you are you would have to park sideways Barry, that has been the case as long as I have been to Scarborough.

If they have an awning out where are the council doing something about it? It certainly won’t be today I doubt, sea is coming right over, it’s wild up there, Shane has just been through and said thee aren’t many vans there
 
Depending where you are you would have to park sideways Barry, that has been the case as long as I have been to Scarborough.

If they have an awning out where are the council doing something about it? It certainly won’t be today I doubt, sea is coming right over, it’s wild up there, Shane has just been through and said thee aren’t many vans there
I'm not sure when it was. People were talking like it was today or recently but it's Facebook so should knows?

I stand by what I said up thread. I bet the council knew stuff like this would happen, people would complain and they could just ban it altogether with the justification that it was abused. I bet they had no intention of policing it.
 
Carte Blanche bans, and failing to control numbers does not work in this situation, what’s required is a compromise between a complete ban which many businesses don’t want, and controlling numbers and length of stay as where we were in Fife last week. We had five nights in three carparks with no issues, and enjoyed ourselves whilst spending money within the local communities. If Fife simply said all welcome no restrictions, I would not want any part of what would unfold. We spent two nights in Leven, were 10 vans can stay the most we saw were 7. Putting in controls will make things better for those of us who don’t want to see to many vans in one location, and at the same time keep some of the locals who complain happier. This requires monitoring, and for those who say this costs money, so does monitoring a carte Blanche ban. If Scarborough allowed say 20 vans at £10 a night that’s £200 a night, £1400 a week, £72800 a year. More than enough to cover any costs involved. Obviously without local knowledge that number could be larger or smaller.

Findhorn in Scotlands north east had a similar issue with us.
They did not simply say ban all motorhomes.
They saw an opportunity to welcome up to 21 vans now charging £17 a night.
It involved an initial expenditure of around £80,000.
They created an area with vans six metres apart, chemical waste, fresh water, and grey water facility. They also installed an ANPR barrier to control access.
They turned what was a problem, into a money maker.
Initially you could only stay two nights, but this has now been increased to three.
And Cullen and other areas have done likewise.

Simply allowing unlimited numbers to stay as long as they like for free in a place like Scarborough is a recipe for what unfolded.
I hope they see sense, and those of us who enjoy going there are able to in future.



Councillor Keane Duncan, North Yorkshire Council's executive member for highways, has refuted claims that the council is "waging war against campervans and motorhomes". He stated: "We welcome them to our coastal communities and we don't want them to be deterred but we also want them to come and visit in a managed, organised, and safe way and that is the guiding principle of what we're trying to do."

I agree, so why not do as you say Keane Duncan.
 
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Photos from our five day trip in Fife.
 
Had a look at north bay parking situation today, didn't see any no overnight bans for motorhomes.There are plenty of people camping in tents so that must be allowed. I did see a cruising ban sign with some strange punishable clauses, all very odd and dystopian. I will stay up on the moors.
 

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Is the location at North Bay covered by https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Scarborough/SJ63.pdf , in which case, see clause 10 (2).

... which, if that is the most up-to-date info, has been in effect since 2012? 🤷‍♀️

Restrictions on Use of Parking Places

10 (1)
No person shall use a vehicle, while it is in a Parking Place, in connection with the sale of any article to persons in or near the Parking Place or in connection with the selling or offering for hire of his or her skill or services, except with the written consent of the Council.

10 (2)
No person shall use any part of a parking place or any vehicle parked in a parking place-
(a) for sleeping or camping or cooking; or
(b) for the purpose of servicing or washing any vehicle or part thereof other than is reasonably necessary to enable that vehicle to depart from the parking place.

11. (1)
Where, within a car park there is a sign or surface markings that indicate marked bays, a vehicle shall not be permitted to wait in a car park other than in a parking bay. Except with the permission of the Council, every part of the vehicle (including any trailer) must be within the limits of the parking bay and not more than one vehicle shall occupy any one such parking bay.
 
" we have a proper fire pit"

That says it all!

Nothing wrong with a fire pit on the beach??

As long as you leave no trace, but that's why you have a fire pit in the first place rather than use disposable BBQ's.
 
Nothing wrong with a fire pit on the beach??

As long as you leave no trace, but that's why you have a fire pit in the first place rather than use disposable BBQ's.
Nothing wrong with a disposable BBQ on a beach! But he didn't say on the beach. I saw no reference to BBQ's being used, so puzzled as to why he mentioned it. He didn't say anything about the beach. Plus of course, he says about spending locally, well he lives there! He spends locally all the time in his home town. Where is the benefit?

As for leaving no trace, what happens to the ash that is left in the firepit? He won't be taking that home. A disposable BBQ can be left to burn out and bagged.
 
Please tell me they haven't been actually lighting fires on the actual roadside along Scarbados front! :oops:
 
Nothing wrong with a disposable BBQ on a beach! But he didn't say on the beach. I saw no reference to BBQ's being used, so puzzled as to why he mentioned it. He didn't say anything about the beach. Plus of course, he says about spending locally, well he lives there! He spends locally all the time in his home town. Where is the benefit?

As for leaving no trace, what happens to the ash that is left in the firepit? He won't be taking that home. A disposable BBQ can be left to burn out and bagged.

He didn't have to! Why go to a beach and have a fire in a parking space?

He mentioned BBQ's in relation to the litter problem - they get dumped, fire pits don't. And as for the ash - why wouldn't you bag it up? He did say that he bags up all of his litter.
 
Please tell me they haven't been actually lighting fires on the actual roadside along Scarbados front! :oops:
I've seen it done on the grass areas behind the wall leaving scorch marks etc ...

BUT then I've seen folks in cars do the same with disposable bbqs too .
 
Is the location at North Bay covered by https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Scarborough/SJ63.pdf , in which case, see clause 10 (2).
Not sure about clause 10.2,As far as I am aware the overnight ban 11pm till 7am was due to come into force on oct 18th.I would of expected a sign just like the one at Sea Life Centre which is part of North bay,but nothing.People are still overnighting at Cayton Bay which is also part of the banning order.I will return to Scarborough next month and do some better inquiries.
 
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