New signs put up in Wales regarding motorhomes seen in Barmouth car park and spotted in a layby

[Rolyan57]

Just to be clear, I DO NOT think that all no overnight camping signs are legal. That’s frankly ridiculous.

I have repeatedly referred to legal signs that followed the regs. That clearly shows that I am not referring to the illegal signs that do not follow the regs.

You pointed out that these signs are not legally binding so I asked

So none of the signs banning overnight camping in car parks have a TRO? Is that correct and what you’re saying?

You posted no they don’t and that all no overnight parking signs are not legally binding and non enforcable.

But that’s clearly not correct, there are signs banning overnight camping that are supported by TRO, give the appropriate details and are enforceable. That’s the point I was making. Some of these signs in public car parks ARE lawful and enforceable.

There was some mis-understanding on both sides, and I accept my part in it, but please don’t claim you know what I thought or believed. You don’t. There was some confusion on both sides which has now hopefully been cleared up.

 

[Fisherman]

Sorry I meant lorry parking areas . Just edited post

Easily done alcam,
I must admit when I read your original post I was shocked.
But thanks for clarifying things.

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Sooooo....
Is a Day tripper, Pic Nicker, Lorry driver or Curier in a Lay-by taking a 8-10hr break awaking from a knap & breaking out their burner to make a Brew & a Potnoodle while performing there Morning relief routine in the hedge or verge, Brushing there teeth, Having a wash & tipping the grey water into the curb ‘Camping’
Apparently it doesn’t even highlight ‘Caravans’,,,So is it JUST Motorhomes & alike that the majority of which has the on board Facilities to perform all of the above ‘AND TAKE IT AWAY WITH THEM’ that this applies to do you think .

 

[RoadTrek Boy]

Fisherman, I think you must have the patience of a saint!

 

[Fisherman]

Fisherman, I think you must have the patience of a saint!

I think I know what you refer to.
There comes a point, were there is no point.

 

[Fisherman]

Sooooo....
Is a Day tripper, Pic Nicker, Lorry driver or Curier in a Lay-by taking a 8-10hr break awaking from a knap & breaking out their burner to make a Brew & a Potnoodle while performing there Morning relief routine in the hedge or verge, Brushing there teeth, Having a wash & tipping the grey water into the curb ‘Camping’
Apparently it doesn’t even highlight ‘Caravans’,,,So is it JUST Motorhomes & alike that the majority of which has the on board Facilities to perform all of the above ‘AND TAKE IT AWAY WITH THEM’ that this applies to do you think .

The sooner we realise that we are freeloading, selfish, environmental polluters, who have no respect for anyone the better. After all we are judged by those very day trippers, pic nickers, and lorry drivers.

 

[drcot3]

Hello to all,
As an ex HGV class 1 driver many moons ago, many lorry's parked overnight in laybys and still do and they do not have toilets/washing waste tanks like motorhomes, so please explain why motorhomes cannot park in laybys overnight?

 

[Nesting Zombie]

Hello to all,
As an ex HGV class 1 driver many moons ago, many lorry's parked overnight in laybys and still do and they do not have toilets/washing waste tanks like motorhomes, so please explain why motorhomes cannot park in laybys overnight?

Hi ya
THATS EXACTLY the point I tried to highlight earlier .
Ridiculous isn’t it

 

[Fisherman]

Hello to all,
As an ex HGV class 1 driver many moons ago, many lorry's parked overnight in laybys and still do and they do not have toilets/washing waste tanks like motorhomes, so please explain why motorhomes cannot park in laybys overnight?

We can’t.

It’s a riddle wrapped up in a mystery, inside an egnima.

To understand it you either have to be highly intelligent, or thick as sh-t.

 

[trevskoda]

We can’t.

It’s a riddle wrapped up in a mystery, inside an egnima.

To understand it you either have to be highly intelligent, or thick as sh-t.

Well I have the last qualification.

 

[Rolyan57]

Hello to all,
As an ex HGV class 1 driver many moons ago, many lorry's parked overnight in laybys and still do and they do not have toilets/washing waste tanks like motorhomes, so please explain why motorhomes cannot park in laybys overnight?

Generally we can.

 

[Tookey]

Hello to all,
As an ex HGV class 1 driver many moons ago, many lorry's parked overnight in laybys and still do and they do not have toilets/washing waste tanks like motorhomes, so please explain why motorhomes cannot park in laybys overnight?

Unsure what restrictions you are referring to but HGV drivers have the power of public support and also the power to bring the country to its knees inside 72hrs if they choose. Authorities only like easy and/or popular battles

Wildcamping is going to buggered in places like Cornwall after the next round of local elections as all the different colours will be playing the 'hardline' stance in their chase for votes and it's easy pledge to fulfill

 

[Biggarmac]

We are all suffering because of the paranoia bought on by people being frightened of strangers. They think we are all bearers of the plague. They then harass their local councillors who do anything for a quiet life. No overnight signs - legal or not.

 

[trevskoda]

Anything out of the ordinary frightens folk, just wait to they see their first UFO.

 

[Tookey]

We are all suffering because of the paranoia bought on by people being frightened of strangers. They think we are all bearers of the plague. They then harass their local councillors who do anything for a quiet life. No overnight signs - legal or not.

Brought on by the media, not the public, but the people swallowed it. Crucially we are also identifiable, people can't hate all tourists, their economy relies on it, but they just need to hate some, makes them feel better and when one small group is easily identifiable it's just perfect

 

[Fisherman]

Brought on by the media, not the public, but the people swallowed it. Crucially we are also identifiable, people can't hate all tourists, their economy relies on it, but they just need to hate some, makes them feel better and when one small group is easily identifiable it's just perfect

In my honest opinion it’s a combination of both, but initiated by locals and their councillors. Then once the media get their teeth into it, the fact that someone fills a water tank in a cemetery, is newsworthy for the vultures who write about us, and for the public to see us as disrespectful, selfish, freeloaders, needing to be sorted out. Yes they should not have filled their tank in a cemetery, but is that really newsworthy, or does it simply facilitate the anti Motorhome mantra drummed up by a frenzied biased media.
We even see unverified accounts of our apparent poor behaviour, with subtle comments that hint towards us being the main protagonists with all of the problems now being covered by the media.
Why, well ignorance breeds fear, and ignorance our main enemy.
And not only ignorance within some councils, but ignorance from some within us, who are unfamiliar with our etiquette, or who simply choose to ignore it.

 

[Tookey]

In my honest opinion it’s a combination of both, but initiated by locals and their councillors. Then once the media get their teeth into it, the fact that someone fills a water tank in a cemetery, is newsworthy for the vultures who write about us, and for the public to see us as disrespectful, selfish, freeloaders, needing to be sorted out. Yes they should not have filled their tank in a cemetery, but is that really newsworthy, or does it simply facilitate the anti Motorhome mantra drummed up by a frenzied biased media.
We even see unverified accounts of our apparent poor behaviour, with subtle comments that hint towards us being the main protagonists with all of the problems now being covered by the media.
Why, well ignorance breeds fear, and ignorance our main enemy.
And not only ignorance within some councils, but ignorance from some within us, who are unfamiliar with our etiquette, or who simply choose to ignore it.

Slightly crossed wires and my fault. When I was replying to Biggarmacs 'paranoia of strangers' and I replied with it being the fault of the media it was in the context of the present British psyche and not specific to motorhomes. With regards to motorhomes I agree that it was initiated by locals but I believe the foundation was laid by a bigoted local and national press, one that is quite at ease stirring up conflict between groups and in grains an 'us and them' mentality and teaches us to point blame at a group and not individuals

 

[Fisherman]

Slightly crossed wires and my fault. When I was replying to Biggarmacs 'paranoia of strangers' and I replied with it being the fault of the media it was in the context of the whole present British psyche and not specific to motorhomes. With regards to motorhomes I agree that it was initiated by locals but I believe the foundation was laid by a bigoted local and national press that is quite at ease stirring up conflict between groups and in grains a 'us and them' mentality which must point blame at a group and not individuals

Just make sure you don’t drive through an amber light, or overtake a school bus, or you may find yourself being reported on a local rag, being compared with someone taking water from a tap in a cemetery.

 

[Tookey]

Just make sure you don’t drive through an amber light, or overtake a school bus, or you may find yourself being reported on a local rag, being compared with someone taking water from a tap in a cemetery.

I'm gonna start having nightmares about cemetery taps soon

 

[WalesGraham]

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As I mentioned in another thread, the sheer numbers of vans this Summer has caused ill feeling amongst many locals (sadly) and a small but increasing number of van owners who have left rubbish and emptied their waste tanks in public places has created this tension that the authorities have responded too in a negative way. I guess it is cheaper for them to ban over night parking and place height restrictions with barriers than create the much needed 'Aires' I would so like to see here. Most local authorities in N. Wales are doing the same but also NRW (Natural Resources Wales) have also placed signs prohibiting overnight camping / parking in their car parks for the first time, again, in response to the volume of vans stopping over and the rubbish being left. As a local myself who enjoys a night or two 'wild camping' I have almost given up on the idea of doing so this Summer, hopefully attitudes will improve (and the number of vans diminish once European travel resumes).