New Highway Code rules.

Sorry Rob, but with the amount of bikes out there, and kids on bikes I just don’t think that’s practical. And what size of number plate could be fitted to a bike.
My mate has five bikes, I just don’t think that’s doable Rob.

Apparently a high vis belt has been suggested Bill, so that could cover 5 bikes. It has been looked into with a majority of motorists in favour and a majority of cyclist against. No surprise there really.

Probably a none starter though if a lot of cyclists gave up cycling because of it.
 
Sorry Rob, but with the amount of bikes out there, and kids on bikes I just don’t think that’s practical. And what size of number plate could be fitted to a bike.
My mate has five bikes, I just don’t think that’s doable Rob.
A quick check shows that there were approximately 20 million bicycles in UK compared with 31.5 million cars at the end of 2018. (sources: bicycles cars). I can't even begin to imagine how DVLA might manage 20 million registrations all at once in addition to over 2.5 million new bikes per year (Source: Cycling UK). I also struggle to think where I could mount a numberplate on my bicycle as everywhere is taken up with mandatory lighting and reflectors or obscured by my panniers when in use. I too don't think bicycle registrations are practical.
 
A quick check shows that there were approximately 20 million bicycles in UK compared with 31.5 million cars at the end of 2018. (sources: bicycles cars). I can't even begin to imagine how DVLA might manage 20 million registrations all at once in addition to over 2.5 million new bikes per year (Source: Cycling UK). I also struggle to think where I could mount a numberplate on my bicycle as everywhere is taken up with mandatory lighting and reflectors or obscured by my panniers when in use. I too don't think bicycle registrations are practical.

I have no idea of the logistics to be honest.

But as I said, a high vis belt with the registration displayed?
 
I have no idea of the logistics to be honest.

But as I said, a high vis belt with the registration displayed?
While this might seem a good idea at first, it's fraught with issue. Many cyclists wear back packs, which would obscure the belt, and it wouldn't work with recumbents, 'Choppers' etc. Banning back packs might also put companies like Deliveroo and Just Eat out of business. FWIW, I also thought about use of transponders, but that's going to have issues with bikes being carried on motorvehicles or cyclists becoming pedestrians temporarily to lawfully push their bicycles past red lights.
 
And registration plate.
Why would a bicycle need a registration plate ?
Weird innit that in Europe cyclists, pedestrians and vehicles mix vey readily, even in major cities, yet we in the UK seem always to be at war with each other?

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H
British motorists need to calm down and slow down and stop aiming their cars at cyclists and pedestrians ..........if they don't they will end up with a conviction, points on their licence and higher insurance premiums and possibly jail time if they injure or kill someone.
These changes in the Highway Code have been changed for good reason and if they make some motorists think about the consequences of their actions it just might save lives and injury.
 
I have no idea of the logistics to be honest.

But as I said, a high vis belt with the registration displayed?
Why would cyclists need a registration plate and why the high viz, are motorists not capable of using their eyes ?
Maybe black cars (and dark coloured cars) should also be banned OR every car should have a high viz stripe on the back, front and sides .
The amount of insurance claims from motorists hitting other motorists is ridiculously high , maybe ALL motor vehicles should be bright yellow ?
 
Why would cyclists need a registration plate and why the high viz, are motorists not capable of using their eyes ?
Maybe black cars (and dark coloured cars) should also be banned OR every car should have a high viz stripe on the back, front and sides .
The amount of insurance claims from motorists hitting other motorists is ridiculously high , maybe ALL motor vehicles should be bright yellow ?
While motorists are capable of using their eyes, some cyclists and pedestrians seem to have a death wish judging by the way they go around in what is effectively full camouflage with no lights or reflectors on dark roads at night. Human visual acuity can only go so far and, although only certain lights and reflectors are mandatory, it makes sense to give others at least a good chance of seeing you.

Regarding visibility of motor vehicles: by law they must have have reflective number plates and, if constructed for use after lighting up time, lights and reflectors --hence your comparison appears non sequitur and it seems entirely reasonable for cyclists and pedestrians to take steps to ensure they are as visible as other road users.
 
The registration might stop stupid cyclists from ignoring traffic signs and conditions and I for one would be very much in favour of them being compulsory with crushing the consequence of not using them, it would be difficult I agree, but not impossible, a small plate at the rear perhaps with a light attached.
 
I agree H. I'm actually quite a calm driver these days. I do worry about this 'automatically culpable' thing that is being hinted at though, surely every accident should be judged on evidence.

I have a dash cam, may buy one for the rear of the car now as well though.
Motorists are already "automatically culpable" when the crash is their fault, this highway code change to protect pedestrians and cyclists more has to be welcomed.
Motorists are also culpable when they are the following vehicle and crash into the vehicle in front, rear ending happens a lot.
 
Why would cyclists need a registration plate and why the high viz, are motorists not capable of using their eyes ?
Maybe black cars (and dark coloured cars) should also be banned OR every car should have a high viz stripe on the back, front and sides .
The amount of insurance claims from motorists hitting other motorists is ridiculously high , maybe ALL motor vehicles should be bright yellow ?

I think you have totally misunderstood my post!
 
Motorists are already "automatically culpable" when the crash is their fault, this highway code change to protect pedestrians and cyclists more has to be welcomed.
Motorists are also culpable when they are the following vehicle and crash into the vehicle in front, rear ending happens a lot.

Culpability can only be based on evidence.

I think you are twisting words somewhat.
 
I think you have totally misunderstood my post!

Just to clarify though, the suggestion was for riders to wear a high vis belt with the registration number on it rather than a plate fixed to the bike. My post was about making the registration visible as it is on other motor vehicles.
 
The registration might stop stupid cyclists from ignoring traffic signs and conditions and I for one would be very much in favour of them being compulsory with crushing the consequence of not using them, it would be difficult I agree, but not impossible, a small plate at the rear perhaps with a light attached.
There are more stupid motorists than cyclists. look at this dick head at 0:20 ended up with a driving ban for six months . 5:39 driver prosecuted for close passing.
 
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I don't fully understand the new rules but it looks like cyclists and pedestrians will be given priority in certain situations (such as cyclists undertaking near corners and pedestrians crossing the road).

I'm willing to be stood corrected, but it seems at first glance an ideal opportunity for a certain element of society to be looking at making a lot of money out of motorists insurance policies.
Yep, that thought crossed my mind too.
 
The registration might stop stupid cyclists from ignoring traffic signs and conditions and I for one would be very much in favour of them being compulsory with crushing the consequence of not using them, it would be difficult I agree, but not impossible, a small plate at the rear perhaps with a light attached.
Sorry Pudsey, but motorised vehicles come with number plates, and yet I see stupid and dangerous drivers most journeys. It doesn't seem to stop them.
And before you post that we are at least accountable due to our plates I am well aware of that.
But cyclists rarely cause fatalities, whereas they are killed on our roads every day, by people driving dangerously with number plates.
What next insurance being mandatory for cyclists. Cyclists having to pass a test before being allowed on the road, surely not.
With global warming we should be trying to encourage people to use their bikes, not making it more difficult.
Just my thoughts, and they are worth nothing.
 
Do we really need yet more legislation? Registration plates for pushbikes? licences? fees? and no Rob, Im not wearing a high vis belt with a number on it on me pushbike. I already look like a complete fanny on it! :D
 
While motorists are capable of using their eyes, some cyclists and pedestrians seem to have a death wish judging by the way they go around in what is effectively full camouflage with no lights or reflectors on dark roads at night. Human visual acuity can only go so far and, although only certain lights and reflectors are mandatory, it makes sense to give others at least a good chance of seeing you.

Regarding visibility of motor vehicles: by law they must have have reflective number plates and, if constructed for use after lighting up time, lights and reflectors --hence your comparison appears non sequitur and it seems entirely reasonable for cyclists and pedestrians to take steps to ensure they are as visible as other road users.
When cycling in daylight I have worn high viz clothing, high intensity flashing lights front and back,( I'm sure you've seen them ) and I was still hit twice by A- hole motorists.
So I wear a camera now ( just like cars have dash cams) and I will send every close pass to the police .
 

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