Mental health

[Herbenny]

Hang on in there Sue ......Grief is **** to be frank !!! it has taken me to some dark places too these last few months, where I have asked the very same questions as you... what's it all about ?

I really hope that you get stronger with each day and your independence returns to what it was and get out on your travels again.

Your perception of yourself is not what your portray to others believe me ...your pretty damn amazing !!


Take care x

 

[oldish hippy]

sorry to hijack nice to see you jaq

 

[trixie88]

hiya sue..........i went thru exactly the same feelings as you.........so i can relate to how you feel.......i loved DIY work , decorating, gardening.......cycling, dancing, wooping it up at 70s music weekends.......doing what and gong where i wanted...in fact it was always me doing things for others and enjoyed it. still young in my head......lots of things i still wanted to do.....then as you know my bones have badly let me down. in so much that i cannot get around or do things that came second nature to me.

it did take a lot of adjusting to.. and still does at times......but you will get there sue..give yourself something to aim for each day....even the simplest of tasks that you accomplish, look upon it as an achievement and praise yourself for it.

even getting up in a morning tell yourself i am going to get thru this ........its hard to start with ut it does get easier. it doesnt happen overnight tho, im sure things will iprove for you soon,,,,you have strength and personality on your side.

keep smiling sue.....oh by the way, i will lend you my driver if you want, ....lol.........but hopefully you will be back in the driving seat before too long........take care cos we care.....trixie & mandy.xxxx

 

[daisymini]

hiya sue..........i went thru exactly the same feelings as you.........so i can relate to how you feel.......i loved DIY work , decorating, gardening.......cycling, dancing, wooping it up at 70s music weekends.......doing what and gong where i wanted...in fact it was always me doing things for others and enjoyed it. still young in my head......lots of things i still wanted to do.....then as you know my bones have badly let me down. in so much that i cannot get around or do things that came second nature to me.

it did take a lot of adjusting to.. and still does at times......but you will get there sue..give yourself something to aim for each day....even the simplest of tasks that you accomplish, look upon it as an achievement and praise yourself for it.

even getting up in a morning tell yourself i am going to get thru this ........its hard to start with ut it does get easier. it doesnt happen overnight tho, im sure things will iprove for you soon,,,,you have strength and personality on your side.

keep smiling sue.....oh by the way, i will lend you my driver if you want, ....lol.........but hopefully you will be back in the driving seat before too long........take care cos we care.....trixie & mandy.xxxx

Thankyou Trixie, I may take you up on your driver offer lol. ( not sure Mandy would agree!)
Maybe that's what I need to find? A driver first and foremost and then perhaps a boba job man to do the bits I'm struggling with

 

[kimbowbill]

You make a valid point in my life....I may appear confident but actually the reverse would be true, I am shy and insignificant without a drink, I find confidence to feel ( normal?) only with drink? I've spent a lifetime relying on that to make me what I am. i don't think I would have married BOTH my husbands if I had been sober lol. (OMG looking at this printed text looks sad lol)
I just wish I could find the same happy silly confident person without the demon

I love you xx

 

[Ed on Toast]

Sue, we all can view the world, not through rose coloured glasses but through s*it stained ones.

We all tend, as many other have said, to view our lot as worse than those around us.

I have known you for a couple of years now, we have been drunk, we have been sober but I can honestly say some of the mornings spent chatting in or outside your van over coffee have been priceless for me. On many occasions you have put my thoughts into perspective and turn my moans into laughter.

I value your friendship and consider you one of my closest friends in Wild Camping. I know many other feel the same way about you too.

So, in this thread you have stepped out from behind your own, protective facade, laid bare how you are currently feeling, lets be honest you have had a hard time of late and that takes some strength. Many others will now have the confidence to maybe do the same. You have empowered them by your actions here.

Thank you for being you :wave:

 

[Trotter]

Black Dog Day

I hope it was purely coincidental, you know writing on this subject. Then the Black Dog hit me, both barrels. I really wasn't ready for that. Although, thing back, the signs were all there. A little short tempered, a tear just waiting listening to a piece of music ( I'm not giving my "trigger" album's names here. I don't want everybody knowing what a sad s*d I am. Clue- It isn't the Osmonds). I like to think of myself as easy going, fairly active. But yesterday I took to my bed, curtains closed, and just had a day, pretty much to my self. Not fair on Nic, I know. Tea, peace and quiet has done the trick, I think. Well I'm telling you all about it, so I must be better than yesterday.
Cheers all, have a good day, I'm going Dadad

 

[n brown]

still tring to find out more about this , as there is a friend who could relly use it. if i was suffering i'd try it like a shot Microdosing mushrooms for Depression... : microdosing
sorry if i posted this before

 

[izwozral]

Read the second post in the link and someone was using LSD for treating his/her depression:scared: Pretty risky I would have thought, some people have never been the same since taking LSD and this is decades later! A bad acid tab = a bad trip and they can be soooo scary. Even a quarter of a microdot can swing both ways, LSD is very very powerful. When it is good, it is beyond blissful but when it is bad, it can be absolute hell.

 

[n brown]

i know , i survived the 60's , i even survived being disturbed from a pleasant trip by Arthur Brown running past me with his head on fire , screaming. cheers mate .
anyhow from what i've read , the doses are almost undetectable, hence ''micro dosing'' but there's mushrooms and weed to try too

 

[izwozral]

i know , i survived the 60's , i even survived being disturbed from a pleasant trip by Arthur Brown running past me with his head on fire , screaming. cheers mate .
anyhow from what i've read , the doses are almost undetectable, hence ''micro dosing'' but there's mushrooms and weed to try too

No he didn't you only thought he did.:wacko::wacko:

 

[delicagirl]

Thankyou to everybody for your kind and encouraging words, my mood is a little lighter but still not out of the woods. I think the last year has taken its toll And to now find I've lost my independence as I cannot wear my leg as I've done to much and created myself a medical problem that seems difficult to resolve.
I wouldnt mind if it was the other leg (that's useless too) but then at least I would be able to drive!
At the moment it feels like Groundhog Day, I just seem to get up waste a day and go to bed!
Even the simple tasks of day to day living are grinding me down as everything takes twice as long and twice as much effort. I'm sure this will pass I just need to work it out without resorting to the antidepressant route.
On a lighter note ...yes I was that woman with the bikers lol
And hopefully I'll get back to my jolly self soon....
Much love and thanks to everyone for keeping me up.......xxxxxxx

Great to see you are "buggering on" as Churchill used to say !!! You say you dont want to use antidepressants ... I had 3 months off work in the 1980's and i fought against them fiercely. i saw no way out of my dilemma at the time and was in despair. Eventually my wonderful GP said to me "think of it as a temporary support - we'll wean you onto them, stay on them for a short while and we'll wean you off them again as soon possible." He was, of course, right. The medication period helped me become calm, sleep properly - but most importantly they helped me get things into perspective. I am glad i took them. They helped me see a way forward. You might want to consider them as a short term palliative - if that is what your doctor thinks. The modern ones are not addictive. Whatever you decide to do - keep coming back here.... ask questions, whatever they may be. None of us know who here has had personal experience which matches our own and who can offer new relevant insights to your own mobility problems. This community is HUGELY knowledgeable on such a wide range of stuff... its Gobsmacking !!!! Best wishes

 

[delicagirl]

I hope it was purely coincidental, you know writing on this subject. Then the Black Dog hit me, both barrels. I really wasn't ready for that. Although, thing back, the signs were all there. A little short tempered, a tear just waiting listening to a piece of music ( I'm not giving my "trigger" album's names here. I don't want everybody knowing what a sad s*d I am. Clue- It isn't the Osmonds). I like to think of myself as easy going, fairly active. But yesterday I took to my bed, curtains closed, and just had a day, pretty much to my self. Not fair on Nic, I know. Tea, peace and quiet has done the trick, I think. Well I'm telling you all about it, so I must be better than yesterday.
Cheers all, have a good day, I'm going Dadad

Thank god it wasn't the flaming Osmonds.... you'd have deffo been on the naughty step in my house !!!!

 

[Channa]

Thank god it wasn't the flaming Osmonds.... you'd have deffo been on the naughty step in my house !!!!

That could cheer him up !!

Channa

 

[Trotter]

Thank god it wasn't the flaming Osmonds.... you'd have deffo been on the naughty step in my house !!!!

Let's go with Anita Baker, Andy Fairweather Low, maybe Peter Green, now there's a reason to stay off LSD.

Plus, it shouldn't need me to remind you that, "If you can remember the 60's, you weren't there".

Funnily enough, I remember the 60's, perfectly well. I have trouble with this week. Last week, the week before..........

Bye the way, as a newbie, I'm enjoying this site. When the weather improves, I may do some motorhoming, instead of writing. Had the van since early February, not turned a wheel yet :sad:

Stay calm Dadad

 

[delicagirl]

Let's go with Anita Baker, Andy Fairweather Low, maybe Peter Green, now there's a reason to stay off LSD.

Plus, it shouldn't need me to remind you that, "If you can remember the 60's, you weren't there".

Funnily enough, I remember the 60's, perfectly well. I have trouble with this week. Last week, the week before..........

Bye the way, as a newbie, I'm enjoying this site. When the weather improves, I may do some motorhoming, instead of writing. Had the van since early February, not turned a wheel yet :sad:

Stay calm Dadad

Some of us are wimps in cold weather (me included) others go hell for leather into deepest snowiest scotland ..... (however AndyJanet reliably informs me there is no snow where-ever he and Janet are looking for it in Scotland !!! Bang goes his plans to test out his van in deepest snowiest Scotland prior to going much further north !!!!)

My van has been sorned sinced Xmas - been very busy for last 3 months ... but i will install more insulation this week now that spring has arrived.... i am started to get excited now at the thought of going off on my travels again......

 

[Channa]

Read the second post in the link and someone was using LSD for treating his/her depression:scared: Pretty risky I would have thought, some people have never been the same since taking LSD and this is decades later! A bad acid tab = a bad trip and they can be soooo scary. Even a quarter of a microdot can swing both ways, LSD is very very powerful. When it is good, it is beyond blissful but when it is bad, it can be absolute hell.

I think there are two general issues to consider.

long term effects as you state re mushrooms and such as lsd seem relatively unknown. Don't forget the impact of thalidomide in the 60s which despite trials had disastrous results,

Current favourites like sertraline or fluoxetine don't work for everyone they are interrupters aimed as far as I can tell to stimulate serotonins and endorphins but their value is limited which leads to the next point and often overlooked

GP's are that general practioners not mental health specialists who can prescribe drugs GPs cant. GPs refer to specialists access to whom in the mental health field are extremely difficult to access typically 18 week lead times minimum yet it wouldn't be acceptable to leave someone with a broken leg 18 weeks in A & E I cant see a logical explanation for this , the difference between a broken mind and leg , The cynic says the mind cant be seen so that excuses lack of funding.

Anixety and depression seem to be generic terms, when people do get to see specialists often a more specific diagnosis is given eg bi polar , Borderline personality disorder as examples. Recent years due to better knowledge the profession are identifying in adults particularly that Johnny thick kid at school has a condition many on the autistic spectrum etc different treatments as per condition yet symptoms often overlap.

It is this lack of knowledge, and the difficulty professionals have identifying sometimes who are experts I would be wary of going the mushroom or LSD route.

I think at the moment we are scratching the surface in mental health, until it attracts similar funding to general medicine little progress will be made or at least hampered.

Channa

 

[Minisorella]

Thankyou to everybody for your kind and encouraging words, my mood is a little lighter but still not out of the woods. I think the last year has taken its toll And to now find I've lost my independence as I cannot wear my leg as I've done to much and created myself a medical problem that seems difficult to resolve.
I wouldnt mind if it was the other leg (that's useless too) but then at least I would be able to drive!
At the moment it feels like Groundhog Day, I just seem to get up waste a day and go to bed!
Even the simple tasks of day to day living are grinding me down as everything takes twice as long and twice as much effort. I'm sure this will pass I just need to work it out without resorting to the antidepressant route.
On a lighter note ...yes I was that woman with the bikers lol
And hopefully I'll get back to my jolly self soon....
Much love and thanks to everyone for keeping me up.......xxxxxxx

A lot of people use this expression and it saddens me because it sounds as though people think anything is better than 'resorting' to pills, like it's a bad thing to do or it's giving up in some way. Actually, it's a very proactive and positive thing to do and a really good step in turning things around. Modern SSRIs are nothing like the old-style pills that I think are the reason for the attitude towards anti-depressants. SSRIs use your own body's natural serotonin and prevent it from being 'wasted'. Serotonin naturally makes you feel more positive... 'happier' if you like. SSRI's don't change you in any way at all, they're not addictive, they don't make you manic or high, they don't make you drowsy or zombie-like... they just make sure every bit of your natural serotonin is available to you to even out the lows that you're feeling. Once you climb out of those lows, you begin to feel a bit more like yourself and can enjoy being you again. Anti-depressants are just a tool, a bit of kit that's just the job for certain situations - like antibiotics when you have an infection or paracetamol for a hangover - and will likely help you work everything out about your day to day life much faster than without them because you'll have a bit of control back and will be able to think more clearly and logically.

Yep, voice of experience... I fell into a deep slump over a year after I lost Martin and just after my worse time of year - Christmas and New Year. Grief and loss and loneliness hit me like a punch in the gut again, as raw as if he'd just died. It was like a dawning realisation that he really wasn't coming back, that I'd lost my best friend, I had no-one to share everything with anymore, this wasn't a temporary thing but really was my life now and I just didn't like it... not one tiny little bit. I did the whole hibernating thing. closed the curtains, gradually didn't bother to get dressed, didn't answer the phone or the door and eventually didn't get out of bed or eat for several days. I had the holiday of a lifetime to look forward to... a six week visit to my daughter in Australia with lots of adventures planned but I didn't give a damn and couldn't even think about it or make a start on packing a case or anything. After a week or so, I obviously knew this just wasn't me and it wasn't right and Martin would hate to see me like this but I couldn't do anything about it on my own, so I chose to get some anti-depressants. They helped keep me out of the deep lows and gradually climb out of the spiral. Within a few weeks I was feeling much more like the cheerful eternal optimist I've always been and began planning and making lists and packing and really looking forward to my trip and seeing my daughter. By the time I got back from that amazing trip in the April, I felt totally myself again and ready to tackle anything... bring it on world, I can handle it! I took the pills for the full six months and would go back on them in a heartbeat if ever I ever feel that way again.

 

[mark61]

Perhaps look on anti depressants as a tool.

 

[harrow]

I tried St John's wort for a month, I thought this is rubbish it's had no effect on me.

After I stopped taking them I noticed the change in my mood drop so there is a natural alternative.

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