Lost confidence

[Robmac]

Unfortunately what some do surprises me less and less there days. I was on a campsite just below Ayr and in what were perfectly good clean toilets they crapped all over the floor for some reason.

Yes, I have also seen that in pub toilets and shop doorways before now. Some people are just sub-human.

But I've been on many, many motorhome meets and never known one instance of it happening, and that's without toilet emptying facilities available. So it does bug me a little when somebody comes on this forum ranting about the behaviour of motorhomers.

 

[peter palance]

The problem is all the general public see are a load of vans and have no need to distinguish between one group and another.

it should start with, i am the travelling light, like all wildcamping members, and take our rubbish, home with us. ok.pj.

 

[peter palance]

Hence why we need a body to defend us, and enlighten them.

we are the travelling light, that is why we dispose of our rubbish in a good manner. like all wildcampers. presence company included, naturaly, ok.pj

 

[Nabsim]

The problem is all the general public see are a load of vans and have no need to distinguish between one group and another.

As someone who rode bikes most of my life I am used to that. Doesn’t matter what group you seem to long to (and it may only be the way you dress) you all get tarred with the same brush.
This is why I no longer like people,the very small bunch of idiots, bigots, tosses have me grouping everyone together

 

[Fazerloz]

As someone who rode bikes most of my life I am used to that. Doesn’t matter what group you seem to long to (and it may only be the way you dress) you all get tarred with the same brush.
This is why I no longer like people,the very small bunch of idiots, bigots, tosses have me grouping everyone together

Likewise. refused service in pubs and cafe' simply for wearing a leather jacket, turned away from campsites, b&bs, hotels just for riding riding a bike etc, etc, and just like now with the van we were always treated far, far better all over the rest of europe never once having a problem unlike this country. I learned long ago that no matter how much good as in doing the right thing, charity work etc, etc that a generally despised group do they will never change the minds of the bigots and NIMBYS that are so prevalent in this country unfortunately. I would love to be proved wrong but i am not going to hold my breath.

 

[peter palance]

Yes, I have also seen that in pub toilets and shop doorways before now. Some people are just sub-human.

But I've been on many, many motorhome meets and never known one instance of it happening, and that's without toilet emptying facilities available. So it does bug me a little when somebody comes on this forum ranting about the behaviour of motorhomers.

yes i rant and rave, but all i do is wave, 2 fingers to the front, up yours, 2 fingers, to the back, peace and love, and the best of these is, " love" ok.pj. beat that,

 

[Pedalman]

I am indeed suggesting that locking yourself away indoors is a safer plan.
In my view, it's not the time for unnecessary travelling.
Come to that, although shops selling non-essentials are now opening, i don't plan to go buying things that I dont need any time soon.
I realise that the government would rather spend £200,000,000,000 on Trident, or a similar amount on HS2, rather than foot the bill for supporting people through more time on lockdown, but my view is that the risks are too high at present.
In a month or so's time we'll have a far better idea of the actual situation. Until then, i play to play safe.

I agree with you because we are now entering the most dangerous time . All these people going out getting drunk and losing their rational thinking are only going to cause spikes . I will personally continue to be cautious for another few weeks and I will just observe if there is going to be another wave of infections due to the lifting of restrictions. Also in another few weeks we might get some more better weather, let's face it the weather is not good at the moment.

 

[antiquesam]

I'm a bit confused. Two weeks ago the beaches were crowded and the doomsayers predicted that the hospitals would be full of the dying. The only problems seem to be in two or three towns where there are food processing factories and sweatshops. Furthermore, in these places the positive tests have increased but the hospital admissions haven't. Why? Have we done away with all the vulnerable now and are only left with the fit and healthy? Is the virus losing its potency?

 

[Deleted member 25361]

I am more worried about covid-19 than hostile natives.

The government said they'd be led by the science when it came to easing lockdown, but the scientists say its too early.

The risk is now higher than it was in the middle of March.

We all want to get back on the road, but just because lots of people are acting foolishly doesn't make it a good idea: it makes it an even worse idea.

Personally I as many others think this crisis is one big con. Science? There are not two scientists out there that can agree with anything since this "2019 winter flu" came along! It will come and it will go!

 

[mfw]

I'm a bit confused. Two weeks ago the beaches were crowded and the doomsayers predicted that the hospitals would be full of the dying. The only problems seem to be in two or three towns where there are food processing factories and sweatshops. Furthermore, in these places the positive tests have increased but the hospital admissions haven't. Why? Have we done away with all the vulnerable now and are only left with the fit and healthy? Is the virus losing its potency?

Personally I as many others think this crisis is one big con. Science? There are not two scientists out there that can agree with anything since this "2019 winter flu" came along! It will come and it will go!

Everyone has their own views on this like everything make your choice and live with it - i go out shopping and with dog what i want to do but i err on the side of caution - there is no cure yet

 

[Deleted member 25361]

I would be more worried after a second wave and another lockdown, that might push people over the edge.

I reckon motorhomes would get a large portion of the blame for spreading the virus, rightly or wrongly.

How Bill Gates and his partner in this "crime of the century" Professor Fussi ! Has got inside the heads of the worlds population really amazes me. Looking back since 2014 ( like a senator in Florida has done since questioning this pandemic) the deaths in my area in Northern Ireland have been no greater than the "winter flu" we experience! A lot of deaths associated with Covid19 have been wrongly diagnosed because some people have had the "flu virus" in their system but have been given death certificates " cause of death Civid19" although the death could have been an underlying health problems Cardio or Cancer or a multitude of health issues. I have not had the symptoms of Covid19 since it was reported but I bet if I was tested it would show I was a carrier! Why? Because in 2005 I had a heart attack and a stent added and was advised as I was under the vulnerable category I would be advised to take my flu shots every year. This I did for 2 years and then stopped because I always felt like s##t after the jab. From that first injection I have had a flu virus in my body so ANY test would show I have covid anyone that has had a flu shot will show this . I can assure you I am only carrying what the government has put in my body from those 2 flu shots nothing since. Since I have stopped taking the flu jab I have never felt better.

 

[Chrisinchip]

I'm a bit confused. Two weeks ago the beaches were crowded and the doomsayers predicted that the hospitals would be full of the dying. The only problems seem to be in two or three towns where there are food processing factories and sweatshops. Furthermore, in these places the positive tests have increased but the hospital admissions haven't. Why? Have we done away with all the vulnerable now and are only left with the fit and healthy? Is the virus losing its potency?

Infection, detection and measurement time lags make it hard to identify and confirm spikes as quickly as we would like. There is a two week delay before the beginnings of a rise in infection rate, the peak follows even later. Hospital admissions START to rise after a further delay, say, event +3 or 4 weeks, ICU occupancy and the death rate follows on with another delay. The devastating spike builds from the newly infected beach goers spreading the virus to their households and communities, and so on - another delay factor. Think about how long the infection and death rates continued to rise after lockdown - infection rates didn't suddenly drop two weeks after lockdown.
I believe we don't properly understand an individual's susceptibility to catching the virus. Vulnerability was used to describe the hugely varying levels of impact of the virus on individuals once infected and this is better understood, though not entirely. Humans are not becoming less affected by being infected though there are some improvements in the treatment of the most critically ill. As far as I know, there is no reduction in the virus' potency. There have been propositions that some areas of the world were infected by different strains, some nastier than others, and more recently about the virus mutating. I don't have an authoritative viewpoint on this but have not heard of any reliable conclusions that should make us feel better.
Summer conditions work in our favour - the virus is not a great fan of heat nor UV light, and viral loading (concentration) is generally less outdoors. This could save us from a Bournemouth spike.

 

[Robmac]

How Bill Gates and his partner in this "crime of the century" Professor Fussi ! Has got inside the heads of the worlds population really amazes me. Looking back since 2014 ( like a senator in Florida has done since questioning this pandemic) the deaths in my area in Northern Ireland have been no greater than the "winter flu" we experience! A lot of deaths associated with Covid19 have been wrongly diagnosed because some people have had the "flu virus" in their system but have been given death certificates " cause of death Civid19" although the death could have been an underlying health problems Cardio or Cancer or a multitude of health issues. I have not had the symptoms of Covid19 since it was reported but I bet if I was tested it would show I was a carrier! Why? Because in 2005 I had a heart attack and a stent added and was advised as I was under the vulnerable category I would be advised to take my flu shots every year. This I did for 2 years and then stopped because I always felt like s##t after the jab. From that first injection I have had a flu virus in my body so ANY test would show I have covid anyone that has had a flu shot will show this . I can assure you I am only carrying what the government has put in my body from those 2 flu shots nothing since. Since I have stopped taking the flu jab I have never felt better.

I can't honestly say if you are right or wrong, simple fact is I don't know. My point was that there could be a second wave whether imaginary or not and motorhomers are an easily identifiable target as a scapegoat.

I never have a flu jab either, I have seen the effects they have on other people.

 

[Deleted member 25361]

I think the problem with a lot of misinformation hails from the MSM ! If you listen too their c##p all day you'd believe Hitler had claimed his throne in most if not all of the West's civilised countries! Thank heavens for the internet where you can see what's really going on in this troubled world! It just takes a little commonsense to read between some of the lines. One of the biggest causes of misinformation is our very own BBC! When they have to earn a living without being a parasite on the British public they might just decide too tell the truth!

 

[Deleted member 25361]

I can't honestly say if you are right or wrong, simple fact is I don't know. My point was that there could be a second wave whether imaginary or not and motorhomers are an easily identifiable target as a scapegoat.

I never have a flu jab either, I have seen the effects they have on other people.

I agree I think all we ask is people keep an open mind and follow the paper trails. Not just believing everything the MSM tell us. A lot of this just doesn't add up.

 

[antiquesam]

Infection, detection and measurement time lags make it hard to identify and confirm spikes as quickly as we would like. There is a two week delay before the beginnings of a rise in infection rate, the peak follows even later. Hospital admissions START to rise after a further delay, say, event +3 or 4 weeks, ICU occupancy and the death rate follows on with another delay. The devastating spike builds from the newly infected beach goers spreading the virus to their households and communities, and so on - another delay factor. Think about how long the infection and death rates continued to rise after lockdown - infection rates didn't suddenly drop two weeks after lockdown.
I believe we don't properly understand an individual's susceptibility to catching the virus. Vulnerability was used to describe the hugely varying levels of impact of the virus on individuals once infected and this is better understood, though not entirely. Humans are not becoming less affected by being infected though there are some improvements in the treatment of the most critically ill. As far as I know, there is no reduction in the virus' potency. There have been propositions that some areas of the world were infected by different strains, some nastier than others, and more recently about the virus mutating. I don't have an authoritative viewpoint on this but have not heard of any reliable conclusions that should make us feel better.
Summer conditions work in our favour - the virus is not a great fan of heat nor UV light, and viral loading (concentration) is generally less outdoors. This could save us from a Bournemouth spike.

I sincerely hope you have solved the conundrum that is foxing our scientists. They don't know why we are seeing much higher numbers of positive tests that aren't matched in similar rises in hospital admissions or deaths.

 

[ricc]

from day one , ive questioned the gov advise. its been known for years that uv light kills viruses, and that people living an outdoor life generally have better immune systems than those living indoors. yet government advise was to stay indoors... even to the extent of shutting public parks and other outdoor spaces.,

ive pretty much carried on as normal , largly outdoors for a 12 hour working day, seven days a week, on my own property. the normal once a week trip to supermarket...... and odd customers turning up to collect things. maybe one a week ive done delivery runs in a 50 mile radius....all with sensible avoidance of contact but not paranoid enough to wear a mask and wash hands every five minutes
one of my brother in laws, newly retired has been isolated in the house for three months, intends staying there untill a vaccine is available, all hes doing is getting constantly frightened by the media. not a way id want to live.

i live in a rural community of approx 40 people in a half mile radius.... of those 3 are high risk due to age and health history another 3 over 70....if the 3 high risk died of virus we could call that worrying.... extrapolate that to a 60 million uk population and your looking at handy 5 million virus deaths....do the math on the laptop , call it computer modelling and were as likely to be right as any of the experts (Several of whom have been proved to be widely wrong in the past, and been caught ignoring their own advise). what we actually got....about 40k deaths, got to wonder whether lockdown and ruining large sectors of the economy was actually justified.

 

[Fisherman]

their own advise). what we actually got....about 40k deaths, got to wonder whether lockdown and ruining large sectors of the economy was actually justified.

Yes we got 44,000 deaths with the lock down without it it would have been 250,000 to 500,000. And don’t think it’s finished yet we are not out of the woods.

Many in the US thought like you Sam, and willy, well look what’s happening now. Over 50,000 positive tests a day, and that’s just the ones that were tested. Tens of thousands will die there because of mixed messages from their state governors and the White House.

Yes mistakes were made, and scientists never agree on anything, but if we had simply treated this like a normal flue variant, then I and others might not be posting on here.

Oh willy don’t read all you see on the internet as fact, it’s full of misinformation.
Oh and for all those who think the virus is weakening think again.
The variants of the Spanish flue today are more Virulent than the virus that killed 50 million. The big difference is our bodies have a greater resistance to it now than we had in 1918-19.
I totally understand what you mean about the economy and it’s important that we get it back working ASAP. But don’t underestimate Covid 19, it’s a killer, and sadly many who underestimated its strength in the US and elsewhere, and countries that are to poor to fight it will pay a terrible price.

 

[wildebus]

Yes we got 44,000 deaths with the lock down without it it would have been 250,000 to 500,000. And don’t think it’s finished yet we are not out of the woods.

Many in the US thought like you Sam, and willy, well look what’s happening now. Over 50,000 positive tests a day, and that’s just the ones that were tested. Tens of thousands will die there because of mixed messages from their state governors and the White House.

Yes mistakes were made, and scientists never agree on anything, but if we had simply treated this like a normal flue variant, then I and others might not be posting on here.

Oh willy don’t read all you see on the internet as fact, it’s full of misinformation.
Oh and for all those who think the virus is weakening think again.
The variants of the Spanish flue today are more Virulent than the virus that killed 50 million. The big difference is our bodies have a greater resistance to it now than we had in 1918-19.
I totally understand what you mean about the economy and it’s important that we get it back working ASAP. But don’t underestimate Covid 19, it’s a killer, and sadly many who underestimated its strength in the US and elsewhere, and countries that are to poor to fight it will pay a terrible price.

The US is a good example of how the different approaches to this have gone within the one country
in New York State, they had a major issue at the start, similar to Northern Italy, due to lack of info and misunderstanding of where it was coming from (Europe not China, so through the major Internation Airports and spread from there). They had a large initial increase of cases and deaths and projected to be a lot worse, but with a very strict lockdown the cases dropped, the daily death rate started reducing and their 'curve' flatttened in the same way as you see in countries such as Germany and other EU countries (including the UK, where the trend is definately and strongly downward despite the nay-sayers saying otherwise).
In many other US states, they ignored the advice from the scientific community and experiences from other Countries and they are paying the price with rocketing cases and a national death rate at a current level that is nowhere near the ultimate count from this.

Anyone who uses "the internet" as a source of information can always find a crackpot theory to meet any stance they want to believe. It's great as they can always point to vindication of what they want to think. I think the best one is Bill Gates will be injecting control nano-bots into people as part of an obligatory vaccine for this hoax virus and which is just a cover as the real purpose is for controlling the world population by the illuminati. It's true, btw. I read it on the internet

 

[Jiwawa]

It will be interesting to see if the recent blm, bournemouth beach etc and liverpool fc “meetings” raise a spike in their locale.

Apparently not, according to Patrick Vallance last... Thursday I think. So far.