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My take on this is that I have a fairly strong suspicion that an old stick in the mud councillor lives on this road!
Frinton on Sea don't want us or have I misread the sign. Well, on one side of the road.
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colinm
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You think a councillor wants vans parked directly in front of their home instead of across other side of road? I think not.
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Well, I emailed the parking partnership, as I knew it wasn't Tendring since a previous enquiry about the old parking signs B-)
I asked about the TRO and their response is below.
The link is to a fairly nifty portal that overlays the OS map and signage.
The trouble is that I cannot see any where on that side of the road that indicates no parking for vans or mohos or anything that resembles what the sign implies.
Now, does the attached mean that ONLY cars are limited to 24 hours but other vehicles are fine B-)
I searched for the below and couldn't find a thing.
When you go to the interactive map and turn on an off "Vehicle Type" nothing shows in that area.
Any ideas?
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I asked about the TRO and their response is below.
The link is to a fairly nifty portal that overlays the OS map and signage.
The trouble is that I cannot see any where on that side of the road that indicates no parking for vans or mohos or anything that resembles what the sign implies.
Now, does the attached mean that ONLY cars are limited to 24 hours but other vehicles are fine B-)
I searched for the below and couldn't find a thing.
When you go to the interactive map and turn on an off "Vehicle Type" nothing shows in that area.
Any ideas?
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Val54
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So only cars are allowed to park within the designated area for up to 24hrs with no return within 1 hour to prevent someone simply moving their car a few yards up the road, no other vehicles are allowed to park within the designated area. However you can park on the opposite side provided you are outside the restricted areas at the junctions. If only all Councils published their TRO's in digital form.
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I always used to park my van discretely at the end of the Seafront at Frinton on Cliff Way near the Walton end of the road for day trips to Frinton and Walton.
This stretch of parking bay had (still has) a demarkation line (which I have attempted to highlight with the blue line below) which meant that this stretch was separate to the rest of the seafront recent 'no campervan' / 'cars only 24hour regulations' and there were no signs and no restrictions here as such. Been parking here for years (red X) and it's worked well - kept the vans up one end of the seafront. Seemed logical to me.
Such as this example from a few yeas back - out of season:
Well. not any more. Parked there on Monday this week and now the restrictions are for the whole of the seafront including this bay. Didn't even notice until I got back to my van and it had been ticketed - had only been there for just over an hour:
...So there you have it. No more parking here. lovely as it is. The bays were almost completely empty as it was a Monday. We normally walk into Frinton for local shopping and a look about. Then back to the van to drop off our wares, a cuppa in view of the sea, then off to Walton for the rest of the day and some dinner, before heading home. A great day out. It seems we now have to park not here but in the side streets, outside and closer to housing. I won't do that as I have respect for people in their homes and even though my van is more discrete than most, won't park directly in front of a house blocking views.
What a shame.
This stretch of parking bay had (still has) a demarkation line (which I have attempted to highlight with the blue line below) which meant that this stretch was separate to the rest of the seafront recent 'no campervan' / 'cars only 24hour regulations' and there were no signs and no restrictions here as such. Been parking here for years (red X) and it's worked well - kept the vans up one end of the seafront. Seemed logical to me.
Such as this example from a few yeas back - out of season:
Well. not any more. Parked there on Monday this week and now the restrictions are for the whole of the seafront including this bay. Didn't even notice until I got back to my van and it had been ticketed - had only been there for just over an hour:
...So there you have it. No more parking here. lovely as it is. The bays were almost completely empty as it was a Monday. We normally walk into Frinton for local shopping and a look about. Then back to the van to drop off our wares, a cuppa in view of the sea, then off to Walton for the rest of the day and some dinner, before heading home. A great day out. It seems we now have to park not here but in the side streets, outside and closer to housing. I won't do that as I have respect for people in their homes and even though my van is more discrete than most, won't park directly in front of a house blocking views.
What a shame.
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alcam
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The appeals procedure will be on back of ticket . Don't pay .
Is there a sign that defines vehicle designations which cannot park there ?
The ticket , from what you tell us , is not legal
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Contravention Code 23
Parked in a parking space or area not designated for that class of vehicle. Only certain classes of vehicles may park in some places - Contravention Code 23
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Have a look here. Where there signs within 3 car lengths that prohibit motorhomes?
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I have been attempting to find out if the road traffics act defines what a car is.
This is all I can find.
Definition of a Motor Vehicle
The term 'motor vehicle' is defined in section 185(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and section 136(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as "a mechanically propelled vehicle, intended or adapted for use on roads".3 Apr 2020
Now my point here is simple what exactly is a “car” is it defined under the road traffic’s act. The term car is open to interpretation, I could argue that any private light goods vehicle is a car. PLG seems to be what is defined as a car within the RTA. Take small camper vans which are the only vehicle owned by some which are used both as campers and as their car. Or possibly a small works van used by a tradesman, or for other reasons. I would have thought it’s feasable that any vehicle registered as a PLG could be defined as a car. The parking ticket refers to class of vehicle, both my Motorhome and my car are classed as PLG being under 3.5T Any lawyers on here.
What is a PLG vehicle?
Cars registered before 1 March 2001 are classed as Private/Light Goods (PLG) vehicles, or private motor cars or good vehicles not more than 3,500kg revenue weight. The system for cars is split into two categories of engine size – not over 1549cc and over 1549cc.14 Jul 2023
This is all I can find.
Definition of a Motor Vehicle
The term 'motor vehicle' is defined in section 185(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and section 136(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as "a mechanically propelled vehicle, intended or adapted for use on roads".3 Apr 2020
Now my point here is simple what exactly is a “car” is it defined under the road traffic’s act. The term car is open to interpretation, I could argue that any private light goods vehicle is a car. PLG seems to be what is defined as a car within the RTA. Take small camper vans which are the only vehicle owned by some which are used both as campers and as their car. Or possibly a small works van used by a tradesman, or for other reasons. I would have thought it’s feasable that any vehicle registered as a PLG could be defined as a car. The parking ticket refers to class of vehicle, both my Motorhome and my car are classed as PLG being under 3.5T Any lawyers on here.
What is a PLG vehicle?
Cars registered before 1 March 2001 are classed as Private/Light Goods (PLG) vehicles, or private motor cars or good vehicles not more than 3,500kg revenue weight. The system for cars is split into two categories of engine size – not over 1549cc and over 1549cc.14 Jul 2023
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Is this a new parking restriction for 'motor caravans', or because your van looks like a 'commercial vehicle'? As 'commercial vehicles' have been banned from parking there for years.
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The parking restrictions relates to Motor Caravans, commercial vehicles and all of the other type of vehicles as listed on the pictures at the start of this thread by the original poster show the signs that have been erected on Frinton seafront and their rather strange regulatory descriptions.
In the case of my van, it has been correctly re-registered with the DVLA as a motorcaravan on the v5.
This was done / achieved on the 'old rules' before the 'tightening' of the restrictions circa 2019 that would now probably render it as a 'van with windows'if I were to make the application to the DVLA now. Therefore it is a 'MotorCaravan' in the eyes of the authorities, irrespective of what it looks like. I have deliberately kept it fairly 'stealth' as that was my intention.
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Not just UK / Frinton its over in France as well
The seaside town of Bretignolles sur Mer in Vendee (85) has erected signs prohibiting the parking of motorhomes within the commune apart from on the town campsite (at a cost of 16€/ night). The signs actually specify that motorhomes cannot be parked for overnight stopovers or for eating meals – although the latter would only apply if eating outside the motorhome.
Meanwhile the seaside town of Talmont-St Hilaire, also in Vendee, which opened two new AireServices aires last year has decided to ban motorhomes from parking in the town car parks or on its roads between 10pm & 8am to force motorhomes to use its aires.
The seaside town of Bretignolles sur Mer in Vendee (85) has erected signs prohibiting the parking of motorhomes within the commune apart from on the town campsite (at a cost of 16€/ night). The signs actually specify that motorhomes cannot be parked for overnight stopovers or for eating meals – although the latter would only apply if eating outside the motorhome.
Meanwhile the seaside town of Talmont-St Hilaire, also in Vendee, which opened two new AireServices aires last year has decided to ban motorhomes from parking in the town car parks or on its roads between 10pm & 8am to force motorhomes to use its aires.
us will be Warmington on Sea
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The first time I noticed a sign banning motorhomes from a carpark was 24 years ago in France.
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Well luckily they never caught on You can put these new ones down to CCP's agreement with Councils that where they open a aire they not allow other motorhome parking within their boundary's
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Actually they are more widespread than many imagine, but AFAIK are illegal, trouble is arguing with a French police officer isn't that easy.
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Not a "legal" sign? Really? Parking restriction signs to not have to carry any other information than that on this sign. And your attitude stinks! But of course, if you lived there, you would be happy to have your view blocked by a multitude of campers and motorhomes!
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That's hardly fair, he's right, nobody owns a view and IF the signs are not enforceable then we are entitled to park there.
Not that I would myself.