Extend Schengen Area time to 180 days

[witzend]

Well I have signed both. Not sure what good it will do but it cant do any harm. Its going to be down to the EU though to offer this.

The trouble with running 2 petitions if most just vote for 1 its splitting the total so each won't reach a high enough total to be taken seriously pity the second was started really. The EU won't offer anything they'll use it as a bargaining chip to get something from us during any negotiations

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Your right. You gonna get your butt in gear and sort yours now?

Need to add it to the list of the thousand & one other urgent things that need to get done around here, Tookey...
My monthly budget ain't big enough to cope with everything at once, and always seems to be too many things popping up on the priority list.

 

[mark61]

Have often been asked, if I were to move to mainland Europe, where would I move. Never really had an answer, down south is a bit dusty, up north perhaps, nah don't want to eat herring everyday.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

France is good (and civilised).

Portugal is cheap and (mostly) warm.

Everywhere has downsides, depends whether you think the downsides here outweigh the downsides there.

Main thing for me would be language barrier.
Not sure my old brain would learn a new language all that easily, but you really have to do it.

 

[Snapster]

Move to any EU country ( except maybe Portugal) and you are still limited to 90 days in 180 outside your country of residence.
But, I think any petition is just fighting a losing battle. There are UK and EU lawyers now trying to get round the rule and have been for months to try to change the rules for second home owners and for UK citizens to retain their EU citizenship and the UK have made it plain they don’t want to change the arrangement ( The EU offered visa free travel for musicians and other performers to work and tour in the EU over the 90 day limit, but the UK government blocked it. )
The UK government has never wanted to join the Schengen Zone even when we were in the EU and are against all attempts to re establish free movement.
So, good luck, but don’t expect any petitions to the UK government to have any effect.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Move to any EU country ( except maybe Portugal) and you are still limited to 90 days in 180 outside your country of residence.

Why is Portugal the only exemption?
Surely if you have residence status in any country which is a member of the EU you will not be restricted by the 90 day rule as you will be classed as an EU resident?

But maybe I'm wrong... ?

 

[barryd]

I think for EU citizens they are allowed to roam as long they like across Schengen but officially after 90 days in "one" single country you are supposed to register but you are free to come and go and roam about all year if you wish. The 90 day rule to them for a "single" stay in one country is not really enforced probably because there are no internal checks and you could just cross a border and go back again and reset the clock. I guess they could enforce it if someone became a problem. Outside of the EU and outside of Schengen its an entirely different story of course as you are logged in and out and 90 days is your limit for all of Schengen not just per country.

As for the petitions, often there are often more than one but usually one will take over and snowball but how many Brits are going to be signing it? Not that many I imagine. Over six million signed the second referendum / confirmatory vote petition but it did no good. The UK government wont support this, its not really in their interest.

 

[Snapster]

Why is Portugal the only exemption?
Surely if you have residence status in any country which is a member of the EU you will not be restricted by the 90 day rule as you will be classed as an EU resident?

But maybe I'm wrong... ?

I do not know why Portugal is different, but somehow they allow ( of soon will allow) residents to negate the 90 day rule with their residents permit As an EU national, you have unrestricted access to work or travel within the Schengen with no border checks and no maximum stay ( though you may be required to register your stay in another country after 3 months ( you can’t be resident in more than one country) ) It all depends on your passport. Living in the EU as a UK national, you are bound by the 90 day rule ( except in the country you live) unless you take up citizenship ( with a passport) in that country

 

[John H]

Why is Portugal the only exemption?
Surely if you have residence status in any country which is a member of the EU you will not be restricted by the 90 day rule as you will be classed as an EU resident?

But maybe I'm wrong... ?

As far as I know, Portugal is not an exception. You can apply for residency in any of the member states that allows you to stay more than 90 days. It does, however, have important implications for tax, healthcare and other things- so not a simple way of getting round the 90 day rule in Portugal or any other state. Technically, a resident of an EU state can only spend 90 days in 180 in any other member state but this is not enforced because the EU Directive on Freedom of Movement is seen to over-ride it.

 

[RV2MAX]

The Irish passport will be OK till Irish realise all their fish have been robbed , and tax harmonisation has taken the multinationals and they are like Greece . That what some are saying ?

 

[REC]

The residency is only for Portugal. We are not an EU national any more ( had to change our residency documents and it now says Portugal resident not EU citizen) so Schengen rules apply to us outside of Portugal. We will be clocked crossing into France and on return to UK, nobody has advised how we prove how long we were in our residence and how long travelling in rest of EU. We plan to get receipts when we arrive and leave Portugal so we can prove it.....if asked.

 

[rugbyken]

i did all the irish passport stuff early in lockdown a query sent came back that the department was closed eventually sent it of shortly before christmas but it all came back marked service not available, when it does open will have to get a new form the witness attestation is dated & limited and my mate has retired lol

 

[antiquesam]

The residency is only for Portugal. We are not an EU national any more ( had to change our residency documents and it now says Portugal resident not EU citizen) so Schengen rules apply to us outside of Portugal. We will be clocked crossing into France and on return to UK, nobody has advised how we prove how long we were in our residence and how long travelling in rest of EU. We plan to get receipts when we arrive and leave Portugal so we can prove it.....if asked.

How do they know where you are in Europe if no one is on the borders to record your movement over a Schengen border?

 

[Boris7]

I'm seriously thinking of applying for an Irish passport (I'm eligible).

Would love to move to Europe, but figuring we might have missed the boat - by 'we' I mean 'me' and t'other half.
Anyone who is young and fit enough might want to consider moving out of the UK.
This is nothing sudden or new, I've been saying that to youngsters for a long time now.

Stable.
Door.
Horse.
Bolted.

Accept it and adjust your future travel plans accordingly?
There might be room for re-negotiation on some things down the line, but I wouldn't expect anything to happen overnight.

If you can get an Irish passport then do so, had mine for many years and its much easier not just for the EU but other countries also.

Im told (but don’t know for a fact) that they have tightened up and that the rules with only Irish Grandparents have changed, but just to be clear I’ve only heard this, no experience.

As for British people with no access to an EU passport, I’m afraid the majority voted to leave.

Whatever your view on that, your pretty much stuck with it and as much as I’d like to see easier and longer travel times allowed, I don’t see how partitions to the UK government could help.

 

[REC]

How do they know where you are in Europe if no one is on the borders to record your movement over a Schengen border?

If it is recorded for instance, that we went into France in January, and went back through France checks in May...we could have to prove how long in Portugal? No border checks after France but always look at passports at the French / UK border.
Hasn't happened yet but can't assume it will not be checked.

 

[Deleted member 37892]

I'm seriously thinking of applying for an Irish passport (I'm eligible).

Would love to move to Europe, but figuring we might have missed the boat - by 'we' I mean 'me' and t'other half.
Anyone who is young and fit enough might want to consider moving out of the UK.
This is nothing sudden or new, I've been saying that to youngsters for a long time now.

I totally agree. I've said the same to my kids

 

[jagmanx]

Schengen rules simply will not change.
For the vast majority of use we are "Stuck with the 90 day limit".
There are the obvious exceptions, visa extensions for tourism are unlikely.
Those with residence in one other country are OK for that country.
But even they are limited to 90 days in others.
So ahead (covidwise0 just plan for 90 days.
The only country where it does not apply is ROI.
Yes there are non-schengen countries in EU but none of then any good for over 3 months in winter.
Just live with it and obey the rules !!!

 

[antiquesam]

If it is recorded for instance, that we went into France in January, and went back through France checks in May...we could have to prove how long in Portugal? No border checks after France but always look at passports at the French / UK border.
Hasn't happened yet but can't assume it will not be checked.

I understand that they record your entering the Schengen zone but can't break it down to how long you stayed in Portugal with a residency, nor can you prove it with anything official. Surely.

 

[REC]

I understand that they record your entering the Schengen zone but can't break it down to how long you stayed in Portugal with a residency, nor can you prove it with anything official. Surely.

If you read post #31 that is exactly what I am saying! But we plan to save receipts to substantiate when we arrive and leave Portugal in case of being asked. We don't know how they will react at French border if we cross after say, six months. So better to be prepared until we know. As there is a rule in place and , let's face it, the French can be pretty quick to fine.

 

[Okta]

Do we have any right to seek changes to Schengen? Would we be offended if someone from Europe wanted to interfere in our border/immigration policies?