English Aires

[Byronic]

Well I would have thought that when you approach the Council you either ask of them "Could you find us a suitable site for an Aire in your wonderful town" or you get an idea of need from Motorcaravanner feedback or indeed your own experience, and then approach the Council with "your" suggestion of a suitable site.
The person or group charged with making representation to the Council makes their own judgement on the practicalities re. position/distances etc.
I'm trying to be positive here!
ps I admire your efforts, but I admit that I'm another one who will eat part of the website if you succeed in getting a meaningful number of French style Aires established here.

 

[Tbear]

Well I would have thought that when you approach the Council you either ask of them "Could you find us a suitable site for an Aire in your wonderful town" or you get an idea of need from Motorcaravanner feedback or indeed your own experience, and then approach the Council with "your" suggestion of a suitable site.
The person or group charged with making representation to the Council makes their own judgement on the practicalities re. position/distances etc.
I'm trying to be positive here!
ps I admire your efforts, but I admit that I'm another one who will eat part of the website if you succeed in getting a meaningful number of French style Aires established here.

Bryonic
I do appreciate your interest but you must try and understand my frustration. Please read my first post. I am only looking for reasons to try to establish 1 Aire in my home town not a meaningful number, and when the "I'm trying to be positive here!" is " I'm another one who will eat part of the website if you succeed in getting a meaningful number of French style Aires established here" You are meant to be the support I was asking for.
How do you eat a Website

 

[Byronic]

You are right to be frustrated, the thread has got very long winded and strayed from the particular. I was addressing the subject in general.
My 3 dongle connection (cancelled my landline contract)is so slow I get frustrated back tracking and give up most of the time, its a good excuse anyway.
How do I eat a website? I don't know, I just wanted to appear up to date, but I hope it comes with chips. Although I don't reckon I'll be put to the test.

 

[Tbear]

You are right to be frustrated, the thread has got very long winded and strayed from the particular. I was addressing the subject in general.
My 3 dongle connection (cancelled my landline contract)is so slow I get frustrated back tracking and give up most of the time, its a good excuse anyway.
How do I eat a website? I don't know, I just wanted to appear up to date, but I hope it comes with chips. Although I don't reckon I'll be put to the test.

When you come and stay at the Aire I,ll buy the chips and maybe even a pint to wash it all down with

 

[Kontiki]

You are right & we should be offering you support to get at least one aire type parking established rather than being negative. Hope you succeed & if I visit I'll buy the fish to go with the chips

 

[Tbear]

You are right & we should be offering you support to get at least one aire type parking established rather than being negative. Hope you succeed & if I visit I'll buy the fish to go with the chips

Thanks Kontiki. They have not said "No" so I will look forward to it.

 

[vwalan]

hi ,hopefully its not negative .just good discusion ready for the talk with the council rep. they will be negative .hopefully lots of ideas have been put to tbear and he will be ready for any questions asked . if we all just said good easy . he wouldnt be ready . anyway best of luck with it . lets hope it starts a craze . cheers alan.

 

[Byronic]

Tbear, I'm thinking positive or at least veering toward devils advocacy, your points 2,3,4 seem reasonable to present to the Council.
Ifthe Council is favourably disposed towards promoting tourism perhaps you could emphasise how popular m/homing is in Continental Europe and how, with an Aire the town could figure on the European touring itinerayPOIs etc. You could massage the Councillor's egos stating how forward thinking they would be in being the first in the area or region to have an Aire.
Could you request an Aire be established for an agreed trial period subject to a General Public Acceptance....... obviously somewhere where it would cost peanuts.
Your point 1 Iagree with RG1, I wouldn't mark out M/Caravanners for distinction as regards their responsible attitude to rubbish disposal etc, they the Council may well think that M/Caravanners are being delusionary in thinking that they will be considered any differently to the Public in general. You'd have to have the evidence first.

 

[Tbear]

Tbear, I'm thinking positive or at least veering toward devils advocacy, your points 2,3,4 seem reasonable to present to the Council.
Ifthe Council is favourably disposed towards promoting tourism perhaps you could emphasise how popular m/homing is in Continental Europe and how, with an Aire the town could figure on the European touring itinerayPOIs etc. You could massage the Councillor's egos stating how forward thinking they would be in being the first in the area or region to have an Aire.
Could you request an Aire be established for an agreed trial period subject to a General Public Acceptance....... obviously somewhere where it would cost peanuts.
Your point 1 Iagree with RG1, I wouldn't mark out M/Caravanners for distinction as regards their responsible attitude to rubbish disposal etc, they the Council may well think that M/Caravanners are being delusionary in thinking that they will be considered any differently to the Public in general. You'd have to have the evidence first.

Byronic,

I see what you mean. Point 1 reflects a major local problem in that the travellers have been leaving areas in the city in a bit of a mess, which is costing the council a lot of money to clear up.Give them a chance not to do this, who knows?

The state of play at present is that they have received my email. This is being copied to all relevant departments, then in about a weeks time I will find out if they are prepared to talk. The feedback I have so far is that it is possible but not probable. I have three sites that I hope to discuss, one inner city, one in a local park on a good bus route about two miles out and one about four miles out in a beauty spot. No bus route but near A1, petrol and farm park. access to supermarket before town centre.
Just got to hope one department is going to listen, tourism is a possible.

Richard

 

[Byronic]

Yes the nub of the problem, somebody's chucking the rubbish around and you think you can identify a section of society that are the culprits, but you know it's not "Regular Motorcaravaner" that are responsible. How do you differentiate between the 2 groups, and appear not to look prejudiced in some way......difficult.

 

[Tbear]

Yes the nub of the problem, somebody's chucking the rubbish around and you think you can identify a section of society that are the culprits, but you know it's not "Regular Motorcaravaner" that are responsible. How do you differentiate between the 2 groups, and appear not to look prejudiced in some way......difficult.

You give em a go and if they mess up you punish them. You could ban them, fine them but I'd put their vans in a crusher. I'd give them a sporting chance to get out first

 

[Byronic]

That means of course you'd do exactly the same if I or you transgressed? If so then no need to differentiate we all get treated equally.
I'm with you, throw out rubbish illegally.... van crushed.

 

[Tbear]

You give em a go and if they mess up you punish them. You could ban them, fine them but I'd put their vans in a crusher. I'd give them a sporting chance to get out first

My sister in law once told me that she thought I was to the right of Ghingus Khan. I think we are both perfectly moderate don't you

 

[Byronic]

Those to the left of Stalin would probably do the same if they wanted an Aire in Russia!!!

 

[Kontiki]

What about trying to get something established at a park & ride, this works ok at the Canterbury park & ride. Maybe this would be more acceptable as many park & rides by their nature are outside of the town.

 

[Tbear]

What about trying to get something established at a park & ride, this works ok at the Canterbury park & ride. Maybe this would be more acceptable as many park & rides by their nature are outside of the town.

Kontiki,
Park and ride is on on the list I know the local C&CC DA use school car parks at weekends so any form of park is up for debate, if I can get one started.
Richard

 

[John H]

Yes the nub of the problem, somebody's chucking the rubbish around and you think you can identify a section of society that are the culprits, but you know it's not "Regular Motorcaravaner" that are responsible. How do you differentiate between the 2 groups, and appear not to look prejudiced in some way......difficult.

If somebody has chucked rubbish around, a SECTOR of society is not to blame - an individual is! And if you can gather evidence against that individual (by, for example, CCTV) then you can punish him/her. The reason why "it is difficult not to lok prejudiced in some way" is because your statement IS prejudiced.

 

[Tbear]

If somebody has chucked rubbish around, a SECTOR of society is not to blame - an individual is! And if you can gather evidence against that individual (by, for example, CCTV) then you can punish him/her. The reason why "it is difficult not to lok prejudiced in some way" is because your statement IS prejudiced.

John

If a group of people come to your area 2 or 3 times a year and create a problem then to expect that group to do it again may make you prejudice but to try and do something about it, within the law, is common sense.

Richard

 

[Byronic]

John H, thats precisely why I say you "think" you can indentify a group of society etc.

 

[John H]

John

If a group of people come to your area 2 or 3 times a year and create a problem then to expect that group to do it again may make you prejudice but to try and do something about it, within the law, is common sense.

Richard

Your statement is not prejudiced. If a group of people repeatedly cause a problem then that group of people should be punished. What I was objecting to was the use of the word "sector". In other words, if you and a group of mates commit a crime then you and your group of mates should be punished; but not the whole of the town you come from!