English Aires

[Kontiki]

No one website/person or group can represent everybody. Fulltimers or not setting up aires is for the benefit of the whole motorhome community & people can use whatever means they want to this aim. Any individual who tries to get any type of facility established should be encouraged & applauded for taking the time & trouble to do it.

To me fulltimers should be aware of the problems if they want to stay in the UK, in some respects they have less rights to argue for aires as they usually don't pay council tax, where as us part time campers would contribute to any type of aire setup up in their area.

 

[Tbear]

No one website/person or group can represent everybody. Fulltimers or not setting up Aires is for the benefit of the whole motorhome community & people can use whatever means they want to this aim. Any individual who tries to get any type of facility established should be encouraged & applauded for taking the time & trouble to do it.

To me fulltimers should be aware of the problems if they want to stay in the UK, in some respects they have less rights to argue for Aires as they usually don't pay council tax, where as us part time campers would contribute to any type of aire setup up in their area.

Kontiki,

Bit controversial but I agree with every word.

Richard

 

[barnybg]

I think you have missed my point,and i'm not going into every poster etc,so i'll leave it there.
Only you mentioned this being 'the site'and peers,if this was so,then you wouldn't be tackling it on your own ?
I enjoy this site,and am not putting it down in any way,but it seemed that 'it'didn't want to go into politics or whatever,then when i seen the other site ,saying its aims and that 'IT would' ,then that is why i chose to put some of my ideas forward.
Yes,its aimed at 'fulltimers' but i would of thought ANYONE with a motorhome/campervan was to gain and should stand united,not oh i only go out on weekends or 1 week a year etc etc,EVERYONE with WHATEVER wheeled home,should try to be together,go through the issues and go forward ,together.I have learnt that,one or two ,they can booh hoo off,100 to a 1000 strong is more of a comitment and maybe a money earner in thier eyes.As for counciltax and the like, silly observasions like that,i'm afraid will only 'split and stop' motorhoming becoming more of a group and lifestyle,there is ways round that,if you take the trouble to join or read posts on 'that site'.
As for Aires,are we talking fullammenities/campsitetype places or are you just going for carpark/stopovers,there is a BIG difference !Perhaps an Aire type per county and then several 'stopover' sites like a carpark only for campers ?,but must be kept 'cheap' unless defeating the object ?and by creating such places,which have not been discussed with the majority,could in the councils eyes,ban all other stopping /camping etc,saying that there is somewhere provided ?
There are several things needed,somewhere safe and convenient for motorhomes/campers (thats NOT caravans or lorries).
somewhere to empty tanks of both sorts (per county if money unavailable)
Somewhere for fresh or drinking water ?All other things are 'extras' really...Motorway services provided this in a way,many many years ago,as by law(?),you should stop every 2 hours or sleepover ? Its not that we need an all singing and dancing CAMPSITE's but areas where we are not discrimanated against,(which we are )and i think being classed as ...(gypsies/no not gypsies,..the wrong types) as homeowners and councils will say,sadly i have seen these types in posh very expensive Motorhomes,who think nothing of dumping thier bag of rubbish or sceptic waste tankover a hedge,because THIER FULL....says it all dont it,wouldn't be so bad if they buried it !!!unfortunately that gives US ALL a bad name,as this was brought up at the infamous PORTHCAWL/Bridgend petition,against a site in a stunning area the surfers use,and really close to where I and my mam live ( a stones throw).
What was needed there,was a legimit group/association,like the carravaners have set up,explaining everything,they usually dont listen to one or two,or you'll have a corner of a carpark designated at £2 per hour...great,go for it.

 

[Tbear]

I think you have missed my point,and i'm not going into every poster etc,so i'll leave it there.
Only you mentioned this being 'the site'and peers,if this was so,then you wouldn't be tackling it on your own ?
I enjoy this site,and am not putting it down in any way,but it seemed that 'it'didn't want to go into politics or whatever,then when i seen the other site ,saying its aims and that 'IT would' ,then that is why i chose to put some of my ideas forward.
Yes,its aimed at 'fulltimers' but i would of thought ANYONE with a motorhome/campervan was to gain and should stand united,not oh i only go out on weekends or 1 week a year etc etc,EVERYONE with WHATEVER wheeled home,should try to be together,go through the issues and go forward ,together.I have learnt that,one or two ,they can booh hoo off,100 to a 1000 strong is more of a comitment and maybe a money earner in thier eyes.As for counciltax and the like, silly observasions like that,i'm afraid will only 'split and stop' motorhoming becoming more of a group and lifestyle,there is ways round that,if you take the trouble to join or read posts on 'that site'.
As for Aires,are we talking fullammenities/campsitetype places or are you just going for carpark/stopovers,there is a BIG difference !Perhaps an Aire type per county and then several 'stopover' sites like a carpark only for campers ?,but must be kept 'cheap' unless defeating the object ?and by creating such places,which have not been discussed with the majority,could in the councils eyes,ban all other stopping /camping etc,saying that there is somewhere provided ?
There are several things needed,somewhere safe and convenient for motorhomes/campers (thats NOT caravans or lorries).
somewhere to empty tanks of both sorts (per county if money unavailable)
Somewhere for fresh or drinking water ?All other things are 'extras' really...Motorway services provided this in a way,many many years ago,as by law(?),you should stop every 2 hours or sleepover ? Its not that we need an all singing and dancing CAMPSITE's but areas where we are not discrimanated against,(which we are )and i think being classed as ...(gypsies/no not gypsies,..the wrong types) as homeowners and councils will say,sadly i have seen these types in posh very expensive Motorhomes,who think nothing of dumping thier bag of rubbish or sceptic waste tankover a hedge,because THIER FULL....says it all dont it,wouldn't be so bad if they buried it !!!unfortunately that gives US ALL a bad name,as this was brought up at the infamous PORTHCAWL/Bridgend petition,against a site in a stunning area the surfers use,and really close to where I and my mam live ( a stones throw).
What was needed there,was a legimit group/association,like the carravaners have set up,explaining everything,they usually dont listen to one or two,or you'll have a corner of a carpark designated at £2 per hour...great,go for it.

Barnybg,

I think I might have missed your point. Are you saying this can only be done by a 1000 people or more. It only takes one person to make a phonecall or write an email or to come up with a good idea.
When I was in the forces I was told that for every soldier on the front line there where nine other people involved. My point is that if you have a large number of people the admin is horrendous. A task I am not taking on for any amount of money, never mind for free.
My only other option would be just to give up. Not ready for that yet.

Richard

 

[shawbags]

hi shawbags .they stay .you go.there could be time limmits . as in france to regulate the staying . the park is for motor homes . you cant have both sides of the coin. i dont have a problem with hippies or gypsies or any body .but if we set a standard thats the standard . if it says m,homes only then m,homes only . if i or others stay we could be moved off .but if its a motor home i,m in i stay. we can try to cheat a bit .but rules are rules. it does seem you have a problem with hippies . why. cheers alan.

I lived in Ibiza amungst hippies for 6 months and one of them named caylash who was half mexican half english became a good friend of mine.I have no problem with them at all i'm just making a point.i do agree with the fact that rules have to be set as to control the situation and as you have now told me there is no charge to convert a van to a camper i have less of a problem with the idea.If anyone loves the idea of living of grid and away from the system i do,hippies,travelers,gypseys ect are fine as long as they abide by the law.If you look in my profile it states that i dislike the system,cheers Shawbags. (Chris).

 

[shawbags]

If people are breaking the law (relating to littering, public nuisance and a whole raft of other statutes) then they can be dealt with, irrespective of whether they are in a motorhome or in a go-kart - and irrespective of whether they are hippies or not (what is your problem with hippies?).

No problem with hippies at all,read my answer to alan,cheers Shawbags.

 

[shawbags]

hippies and new age travellers have the same rights as you so why would you want to move them on . if breaking some bye law or the ruling of the aire then anyone can be moved on. m,homers arent privaliged people .

Thats what ive been trying to say,read my posts.I reading a lot on human rights at the mo,don't get me started LOL,Shawbags.

 

[shawbags]

i have been on an aire near biaritz and saw about 4 french vans with leccy lead going from one van to the other i asked who pays for the leccy . they then told me it was free .they winter there for months in summer move inland . of course every where can be abused . i was told just hook in if you need leccy, as it was i didnt need any . must say i look in the offical guide and only go to the free ones . if no free ones around there is lways parking in france .totally different out look to life . but in uk . we have to abide by rules etc . i think it will take many heated debates to get a good scheme going . it will almost have to be fail safe or the other people will object and refuse it. better us argue nicely amongst our selves than get the questions asked by authority . we have to have sound answers .

Hi alan,charge a fee ,put a time limit on the stay and put a sign up saying you can only stay if you accept that all your human rights are wavered and your van will be towed off if you brake the agreement,what do you think ?,Shawbags.

 

[shawbags]

If one in three members of any group are trouble makers then two in three aren't and it is appalling that you think they should be punished for the sins of the other one. As for it being "reasonable to think that others will tolerate...." thank goodness the legal system in this country requires evidence not assumptions.

These days the police do what they want,we live in a police state and its getting worse. I think we are drifting away from the initial post don't you,if you are looking to fine people where aires are concered the council will exploit it to make more money as usual,cheers Shawbags.

 

[John H]

These days the police do what they want,we live in a police state and its getting worse. I think we are drifting away from the initial post don't you,if you are looking to fine people where aires are concered the council will exploit it to make more money as usual,cheers Shawbags.

You should try living in a real police state. But while I feel your initial statement is, shall we say, just a little over the top, I certainly can accept your second point about councils exploiting any money-making opportunity.

 

[shawbags]

Hi John h,i know where grifting from the main subject but take a look at youtube "unlawful arrest" and flick through some of the video clips,british citizens beeing arrested for taking photos or filming with video cameras,they are arresting them under the terorist act wich buy the way is not a law,see how the police handle the situations when they can't get there own way.I am not an actavist of any kind i am an every day easy going bloke but some of the things going on today are wrong, Please excuse my spelling,and yes the council would take advantage,cheers Shawbags.

 

[John H]

Hi John h,i know where grifting from the main subject but take a look at youtube "unlawful arrest" and flick through some of the video clips,british citizens beeing arrested for taking photos or filming with video cameras,they are arresting them under the terorist act wich buy the way is not a law,see how the police handle the situations when they can't get there own way.I am not an actavist of any kind i am an every day easy going bloke but some of the things going on today are wrong, Please excuse my spelling,and yes the council would take advantage,cheers Shawbags.

Hi

Don't get me wrong - I know that the police are far from perfect and some of the things they did, for example, during the miners strike were appalling. I was trying to say that for all the faults in our system I would far rather live under it than under, for example, the Burmese one.

Two other points, though - the Terrorism Act is, by definition, a law (there are bad laws as well as good ones!) and don't apologise for your spelling - some of the best spellers I have communicated with recently don't have the common sense of a gnat. Happy travels.

 

[caspar]

Hi

Don't get me wrong - I know that the police are far from perfect and some of the things they did, for example, during the miners strike were appalling. I was trying to say that for all the faults in our system I would far rather live under it than under, for example, the Burmese one.

Two other points, though - the Terrorism Act is, by definition, a law (there are bad laws as well as good ones!) and don't apologise for your spelling - some of the best spellers I have communicated with recently don't have the common sense of a gnat. Happy travels.

Funny - I've had exactly the same experience! Strange how intelligent people can have good brains and no common sense!

 

[John H]

Funny - I've had exactly the same experience! Strange how intelligent people can have good brains and no common sense!

So you've met him too! Was it while you were in Australia?

 

[caspar]

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums...-any-legal-eagles-out-there-7.html#post117429

 

[caspar]

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/general-chat/11827-john-h.html#post117434

 

[shawbags]

Hi

Don't get me wrong - I know that the police are far from perfect and some of the things they did, for example, during the miners strike were appalling. I was trying to say that for all the faults in our system I would far rather live under it than under, for example, the Burmese one.

Two other points, though - the Terrorism Act is, by definition, a law (there are bad laws as well as good ones!) and don't apologise for your spelling - some of the best spellers I have communicated with recently don't have the common sense of a gnat. Happy travels.

LOL,all the best,speak again sometime,cheers Shawbags.

 

[Tbear]

Update

Just to let you all know, I have not given up yet. Had a chat with a man from the council today and there is a posible site. No where near as close to the city centre as I would have liked but a very nice spot. All posible city center sites have hight barriers and that would involve battle with "Parking". I am waiting for a date for a meeting which will go ahead. I am not confident of success but I am fairly sure of a good hearing.

Thankyou to all that have helped and advised.

Richard

 

[Tbear]

Update

Had my first meeting with the man from the council today. The spot I was looking at (52.583463,-0.40923) has been subject to a lot of antisocial behaviour. It is a lovely spot with toilets, picnic benches, no hight barrier at present, plenty of space and overlooks the river. If you want to break a journey on the A1 or A47, it is a very good spot to stop during the day but not at night it seems. Shame that there is allways a small group of idiots ready to spoil it for the rest of us.
All may not be lost as I have been past on to Parking and the local Wildlife Trust. Both control some smashing spots and nobody has yet said no.

Richard

 

[Deleted member 967]

Had my first meeting with the man from the council today. The spot I was looking at (52.583463,-0.40923) has been subject to a lot of antisocial behaviour. It is a lovely spot with toilets, picnic benches, no hight barrier at present, plenty of space and overlooks the river. If you want to break a journey on the A1 or A47, it is a very good spot to stop during the day but not at night it seems. Shame that there is allways a small group of idiots ready to spoil it for the rest of us.
All may not be lost as I have been past on to Parking and the local Wildlife Trust. Both control some smashing spots and nobody has yet said no.

Richard

Hi Richard

I had the same problem with a spot on the A68 between Darlington and West Auckland. This site had been a picknic area but because of the "Anti Social" behaviour it is now barriered. However that has not stopped the problem only made it out of bounds for legit users. It had a toilet block that has now been totally vandalised and used for "Other" purposes according to the graffiti