Electric Sprinter H2 L2

[caledonia]

And when your EV runs out you can’t get Gerry can of leccy to get you going. I’ll stick to burning dead dinosaurs for the time being thank you.

 

[colinm]

And when your EV runs out you can’t get Gerry can of leccy to get you going. I’ll stick to burning dead dinosaurs for the time being thank you.

Funny enough a youtuber does just that when range testing EV's, he carries an ecoflow.

 

[caledonia]

Funny enough a youtuber does just that when range testing EV's, he carries an ecoflow.

Hope he also carries a good book

 

[Geek]

I'm well aware of that, the post was on reply to gasgas's one about busses.
Meanwhile several local tradesmen around here are seriously looking into using EV as the diesel vans are requiring expensive maintenance due to low mileage.

Yes, petrol vans make far better sense

 

[Robmac]

Yes, petrol vans make far better sense

And cars really if you only make short trips during normal use. DPF replacement is expensive as I have just found out.

Also, don't run on less than a 1/4 full tank consistently as DPF regeneration will not happen on many vehicles if you do this which leads to the above being necessary.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I think (THINK) the DPF responds to the same treatment as the EGR, IE, a good thrash for a few minutes in a lower gear like 3rd clears them out, uphill is even better so the engine works harder.

 

[Boris7]

And when your EV runs out you can’t get Gerry can of leccy to get you going. I’ll stick to burning dead dinosaurs for the time being thank you.

You need to be very stupid to run out or charge in an EV, mine does at least 28miles per 10%, you aim to keep the charge above 20% therefore at 30% you have at least 28miles before you need to charge.

If the battery goes to 0% you would have travelled something like 84miles knowing you needed a charge, at 20% the vehicle will be telling you to charge and will switch into range mode giving you more distance.

Running out of charge just like running out of petrol is only possible if you have a technical fault (gauge/leak etc) or your just stupid.

 

[Robmac]

I think (THINK) the DPF responds to the same treatment as the EGR, IE, a good thrash for a few minutes in a lower gear like 3rd clears them out, uphill is even better so the engine works harder.

It can work Kev, but it didn't on Julies Peugeot. We took it for a 60 mile thrash but couldn't achieve the necessary RPM to regenerate. It didn't go into limp mode but the engine just wouldn't perform with the increase in back pressure from the exhaust.

We took it to our local garage who carried out a forced Re-gen (£135) but 2 days later the problem returned. We got a quote from them for Cleaning the DPF which came in at £700 or for a new DPF which came in at £2000! They have now said that they could do it for £800 with a none OEM DPF from a supplier they have used before.

Alternatively my mate could bypass the DPF and delete the function in the ECU and nobody would ever know, Julie said no though, my mate just said "don't tell her"

 

[trevskoda]

You need to be very stupid to run out or charge in an EV, mine does at least 28miles per 10%, you aim to keep the charge above 20% therefore at 30% you have at least 28miles before you need to charge.

If the battery goes to 0% you would have travelled something like 84miles knowing you needed a charge, at 20% the vehicle will be telling you to charge and will switch into range mode giving you more distance.

Running out of charge just like running out of petrol is only possible if you have a technical fault (gauge/leak etc) or your just stupid.

And if stuck in traffic and get rerooted mever mind a emergency hospital run, pity you cannot carry a gallon of charge in the boot.

 

[Robmac]

And if stuck in traffic and get rerooted mever mind a emergency hospital run, pity you cannot carry a gallon of charge in the boot.

Thing is though Trev, if stuck in traffic you aren't actually using any power unless you sit there with the air-con or heater running, but if you are desperate for range then you simply wouldn't do that.

Re-routing though you make a good point, a couple of years ago I was put into a 40 mile diversion around road works, although I didn't follow it as I knew a better alternative.

 

[Geek]

You need to be very stupid to run out or charge in an EV, mine does at least 28miles per 10%, you aim to keep the charge above 20% therefore at 30% you have at least 28miles before you need to charge.

If the battery goes to 0% you would have travelled something like 84miles knowing you needed a charge, at 20% the vehicle will be telling you to charge and will switch into range mode giving you more distance.

Running out of charge just like running out of petrol is only possible if you have a technical fault (gauge/leak etc) or your just stupid.

For those of us used to ICE and filling stations everywhere, those numbers are alarming.
My motorhome does 350 to 400 miles to a tank, so I fill up at about 250 miles. My car does 450 to 500 to a tank, so I fill up at about 350 (it starts nagging at that point anyway) Petrol stations are all over the place: you pass loads on every journey.
EV battery gauges know how much charge is left but not how far that will take you. Hot or cold weather make a huge difference.
You may have 85 miles left, but come to a long hill in icy weather and that suddenly becomes 35 miles. The same is partly true for ICE vehicles.

 

[Geek]

.I have a few misgivings about this but the main one being that the payload is only 731Kg which I don't think is enough especially given that he wants it to sleep 4 people.

My motorhome is fairly big. Usually, only two of us travel in it.
I weighed it and was alarmed that we only had 800 *spare* payload after loading everything, so I got it m upplated to add another 400kg.

 

[Boris7]

For those of us used to ICE and filling stations everywhere, those numbers are alarming.
My motorhome does 350 to 400 miles to a tank, so I fill up at about 250 miles. My car does 450 to 500 to a tank, so I fill up at about 350 (it starts nagging at that point anyway) Petrol stations are all over the place: you pass loads on every journey.
EV battery gauges know how much charge is left but not how far that will take you. Hot or cold weather make a huge difference.
You may have 85 miles left, but come to a long hill in icy weather and that suddenly becomes 35 miles. The same is partly true for ICE vehicles.

Your right bout the gauge to some extent, I drive in comfort mode all the time, and B mode to regen which I ensure to use to the best I can, so I normally get quite a bit further than the range predicted when I set out, but if I’m on a fast twisty road and I lease some of the race driver in me the range will fall quickly.

As for the availability of charge points, there’s no issue nowadays

That’s just 1 app I have 9 on my phone, the car tells me every charge points, it’s speed and it’s cost as I drive.

 

[r4dent]

And if stuck in traffic and get rerooted mever mind a emergency hospital run, pity you cannot carry a gallon of charge in the boot.

Just a case of thinking ahead.
I tend to top up my EV when I get down to around 100 mile range (90 mile gets me to my daughters).
Filling isn't a big thing, 30 seconds to plug in before bedtime. and 30 seconds to unplug the next morning.
At least six public charging locations within 10 miles but never had to use them.

Unlike petrol / diesel, being stuck in traffic doesn't use any charge (in fact if stuck on a downhill slope regenerative braking will top the battery up!).
Getting rerouted is not an issue as I always plan ahead and there are loads of public chargers anyway so just like petrol / diesel.
An emergency hospital run would be 10 miles each way which wouldn't be a problem. (EV charger at Tesco opposite the hospital).

If you drive around with only a couple of miles range you will have problems,
if you drive around with just a pint of petrol / diesel you have worse problems, In fact worse problems because electricity does not move in the battery when you go up/down hills.

I've never carried a tank of fuel in the boot, and neither has anyone I know.

EV aren't for everyone, but for some they are brilliant..

As Karl Marx said "to each according to his needs"

 

[Geek]

You need to be very stupid to run out or charge in an EV, mine does at least 28miles per 10%,

That means you get 280 miles to a charge. Some vans only get 100 miles to a charge. Less when fully loaded, in hilly areas, in cold weather.

If your full charge range is heading towards 60 miles or less, that 6 miles per 10% is not quite as good.

The weight of batteries eats into payload, so there's less scope for extra range.

And yes, motorhomes then to be built on van platforms, not on longer range cars

 

[Boris7]

That means you get 280 miles to a charge. Some vans only get 100 miles to a charge. Less when fully loaded, in hilly areas, in cold weather.

If your full charge range is heading towards 60 miles or less, that 6 miles per 10% is not quite as good.

The weight of batteries eats into payload, so there's less scope for extra range.

And yes, motorhomes then to be built on van platforms, not on longer range cars

As I previously said, the maths for an electric van just don’t work with present weights and battery technology.

I “theoretically” get 328 miles on a full charge, but the way manufacturers calculate these figures is simply misleading at best.

 

[1807truckman]

Friend of mine works at a Mercedes commercial dealer aand he states around 60 to 70 miles on motorways for a fully loaded E Sprinter, that's why I didn't get an E Sprinter nowhere near enough range for me.

 

[trevskoda]

N and S Ireland charge points.

 

[trevskoda]

Thing is though Trev, if stuck in traffic you aren't actually using any power unless you sit there with the air-con or heater running, but if you are desperate for range then you simply wouldn't do that.

Re-routing though you make a good point, a couple of years ago I was put into a 40 mile diversion around road works, although I didn't follow it as I knew a better alternative.

So cold and damp here 9 out of 12 mths you must have a heater running to keep windies clear and you from freezing, try telling a woman she cany have a heater on.

 

[r4dent]

The weight of batteries eats into payload, so there's less scope for extra range.

but... the mgw of electric vans that you can drive without C1 is higher than the the mgw of fossil fuel van
which gives extra payload.