Electric Sprinter H2 L2

[Robmac]

Funny you should post that we saw the pratt who built the shed on wheels today coming towards us in Leicestershire.

Edd China.

Edd's wasn't as quick as this one Kev;

 

[colinm]

Electric van driving licence change comes into force 10 June | GreenFleet

The government has confirmed that the changes to driving licence regulations for zero emission vehicles will come into effect from 10 June 2025. The change will allow category B driving licence to drive an electric or hydrogen-powered vehicle with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) of up to 4.25...

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[r4dent]

Edd's wasn't as quick as this one Kev;

88mph, I think he forgot to take the handbrake off.

Fastest garden shed

This record is for the fastest speed reached by a motor vehicle resembling a garden shed in appearance. This record is to be attempted by an individual or a team of unlimited size. This record is measured in kilometres per hour (km/h), with the equivalent measurement also given in miles per hour...

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[molly 2]

Looks as good as the tesla cybertruck

 

[molly 2]

Funny you should post that we saw the pratt who built the shed on wheels today coming towards us in Leicestershire.

Edd China.

Driven by the Hampster

 

[jennyp19]

Going to be a very expensive mistake! Unless he’s in a position to claim vat & tax back on it for a business - then it won’t be quite such a blow.

 

[gasgas]

................ you need to stay between 20-80% to preserve battery life. ...........

People don't realise how true this is. I had a Nissan Leaf. At home I have solar panels and an outside socket so of course whenever the sun was shining I said quick, plug the car in and get free charging.
The car was on a 2 year PCP and after 8000 miles in the 2 years I gave the car back because the range was 35 miles. Someone bought it from an auction and phoned me and said the battery needed renewing. He told me that he took it to his Nissan dealer and said "Range 35 miles, battery dead, battery warranty 5 years, new battery please". The dealer plugged their computer in and could read every detail of every instance when it was recharged. Dealer said to owner: Previous owner plugged it in to recharge it when it was already 80% full. This voids the warranty. £5,000 please for new battery". Did the dealer tell me this when I took delivery? Your guess is correct.

So beware, you need to factor £2500 into your annual running costs if you think an electric car is an economical way to run a car. . . . . . . . . And no doubt in the not so very distant future you will be charged a hefty disposal fee when it is scrapped. And the world's oceans will once more be polluted with poisonous chemicals.

One desirable factor in choosing it was "You can call in at any Nissan dealer and recharge the car free of cost". So we went round two sides of a triangle to get where we wanted to go instead of a straight line, in order to call at a Nissan dealer. There were no other chargers on the straight road route. Pulled in at the Nissan dealer.
" Can we charge our car please?"
"Oh dear, I am very sorry we would love to, but last night the charger was stolen".

Presumably by the same tribe who think that if they steal a petrol pump it will be full of petrol . . . . .

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I'm sure I read all that elsewhere.

 

[gasgas]

I'll probably get shot down in flames for this but is it not possible to set up a load of solar panels on the roof and charge the vans batteries from them when parked up? I appreciate that EV chargers are not that straight forward but say you had a day on site with full sunshine so maybe 8 hours of charge on a normal 240v inverter charger?

Slightly similar:
We were in Holland a few years ago, parked our camper in a park and ride. The Electric bus turned up and parked under a tall lamp post. A pantograph contraption lifted up from the bus and connected to the lamp post - charger. The bus waited for 15 minutes, the pantograph went down and we drove 15 minutes into town. The bus stopped under a lamp post charger, and spend another 15 minutes recharging. I asked the driver if that period of time at each stop was enough to keep it going and he said no, they have to be plugged into chargers at the bus depot all night in order to run the next day.

 

[gasgas]

This was going to be my suggestion.

Socking great diesel fuelled gennie towed behind.

No worries...

And you don't have to pay road tax for the trailer, or get it MOTd. .

 

[colinm]

Slightly similar:
We were in Holland a few years ago, parked our camper in a park and ride. The Electric bus turned up and parked under a tall lamp post. A pantograph contraption lifted up from the bus and connected to the lamp post - charger. The bus waited for 15 minutes, the pantograph went down and we drove 15 minutes into town. The bus stopped under a lamp post charger, and spend another 15 minutes recharging. I asked the driver if that period of time at each stop was enough to keep it going and he said no, they have to be plugged into chargers at the bus depot all night in order to run the next day.

We often use Cambridge P&R electric busses, never seen one being charged, they have a range of 200miles, speaking to a driver and they much prefer them to the old diesel busses.

 

[Thistle]

The biggest issues with EV vans is not necessarily the actual range but the mpg equivalent cost, at 2 miles per kw or less in winter when fully loaded then if using public charging it’s the equivalent of high teens in mpg terms. that is not cost effective at all and one of the primary reasons they are being off loaded

@barryd your AI tool ain’t that bright! It did not account for OBC efficiency!

The one in my soul has an overhead of about 4A so on a 16a EVSE only 75% was actually going into a battery on a 13A granny charger that drops to around 66%

You rarely see manufacturers publishing OBC efficiency figures

 

[Geek]

say you had a day on site with full sunshine so maybe 8 hours of charge on a normal 240v inverter charger?

Let's assume the roof is covered with solar panels. That will be maybe 600 watts, but let's assume 750 watts.

Assume eight hours of full sun.
That gives 6000 watt hours from the panels in a full day. That's 6KWh

If your 113KWh battery needs charging from empty to full, that will need nearer 120KWh input.

So you will need three weeks of full sun to get the battery up again.

That's why EVs don't bother with solar panels. At best a pointless marketing gimmic, at worst extra load on an already inadequate battery capacity.

 

[Geek]

We often use Cambridge P&R electric busses, never seen one being charged, they have a range of 200miles, speaking to a driver and they much prefer them to the old diesel busses.

I think you'll find that an electic bus has a vastly bigger battery than an electric van

 

[rugbyken]

apparently a 350 kwh battery adds two tonnes to the weight of a vehicle that will give a ten ton veh a range of 100 kms

 

[colinm]

I think you'll find that an electic bus has a vastly bigger battery than an electric van

I'm well aware of that, the post was on reply to gasgas's one about busses.
Meanwhile several local tradesmen around here are seriously looking into using EV as the diesel vans are requiring expensive maintenance due to low mileage.

 

[Thistle]

Before buying the Iveco I am currently converting I did look at some EV Vans, the Maxus EV80 was relatively cheap and cheerful several people have already converted those, ideal for very short range day and overnight trips.

At the time the Amazon etc Sprinter rejects were still too expensive ditto the Transit which was the most expensive but had the best range and features.

What I really wanted was a hybrid, there’s a few out now afaik but at the time the only thing secondhand on the market was the transit Custom Phev, which is a very small van, with a 1000cc engine whinining away with no correlation to road speed as it works as a generator and a 14kw battery range was around 30 miles on pure electric and then it was back to using petrol.

I test drove one and found the disconnected engine note made it quite a weird experience.

I think hybrids are the more sensible route for load lugging vehicles but the catch is the maintenance and eventually complex repairs once in the secondhand market could be very expensive.

 

[trevskoda]

Before buying the Iveco I am currently converting I did look at some EV Vans, the Maxus EV80 was relatively cheap and cheerful several people have already converted those, ideal for very short range day and overnight trips.

At the time the Amazon etc Sprinter rejects were still too expensive ditto the Transit which was the most expensive but had the best range and features.

What I really wanted was a hybrid, there’s a few out now afaik but at the time the only thing secondhand on the market was the transit Custom Phev, which is a very small van, with a 1000cc engine whinining away with no correlation to road speed as it works as a generator and a 14kw battery range was around 30 miles on pure electric and then it was back to using petrol.

I test drove one and found the disconnected engine note made it quite a weird experience.

I think hybrids are the more sensible route for load lugging vehicles but the catch is the maintenance and eventually complex repairs once in the secondhand market could be very expensive.

Still got things like ex pipes to replace, oil changes clutches etc on top of charging costs, waste of time me thinks.

 

[colinm]

Before buying the Iveco I am currently converting I did look at some EV Vans, the Maxus EV80 was relatively cheap and cheerful several people have already converted those, ideal for very short range day and overnight trips.

At the time the Amazon etc Sprinter rejects were still too expensive ditto the Transit which was the most expensive but had the best range and features.

What I really wanted was a hybrid, there’s a few out now afaik but at the time the only thing secondhand on the market was the transit Custom Phev, which is a very small van, with a 1000cc engine whinining away with no correlation to road speed as it works as a generator and a 14kw battery range was around 30 miles on pure electric and then it was back to using petrol.

I test drove one and found the disconnected engine note made it quite a weird experience.

I think hybrids are the more sensible route for load lugging vehicles but the catch is the maintenance and eventually complex repairs once in the secondhand market could be very expensive.

I don't see any suitable EV vans for our use, I think you are right about hybrid maintenance, so for us a straight diesel is the only option for the foreseeable future.

 

[r4dent]

The biggest issues with EV vans is not necessarily the actual range but the mpg equivalent cost, at 2 miles per kw or less in winter when fully loaded then if using public charging it’s the equivalent of high teens in mpg terms.

True, subject to the proviso that you only buy expensive electricity from public charger chargers.
By charging in other ways EV van owners can get better mpg equivalent.
The practical equivalent mpg depends on usage and charging availability,
As always do the maths for your individual requirements before making decisions.
The only time (in 3 years) I have used public charges foe my EV car is when I go o a dealers (they supply it free )
I use a granny charger and get the mpg equivalent of over 70 mpg in my car (i isn't a city run about, it is a fuhl 5 seater producing over 250 bhp)

The formula for calculating mpg equivalent for EVs is
mpg equivalent = (Cost of a gallon of Fossil Fuel) / (cost per mile of electrity)
= (Cost of a gallon of Fossil Fuel) / [ (cost per kwh not per kw as you quoted) / (Miles per kwh) ]

Assuming the van does 2 miles per kwh, and Fossil Fuel is £6.37 per gallon i.e. £1.40 per litre

Standard domestic tariff 30p per kwh = mpg equivalent is (£6.37) / (£0.30 / 2) ; i.e. £6.37 / 15p = 42 mpg. Life the universe and everything !
Domestic EV tariffs 7p per kwh = mpg equivalent is (£6.37) / (£0.07 / 2) ; i.e. £6.37 / 3.5p = 180 mpg.
Public charger 70p per kwh =mpg equivalent to £6.37 / (£0.70 / 2) ; i.e. £6.37 / 35p = 18 mpg