Delays at Dover

No delays at Portsmouth, Newhaven, Harwich etc etc hardly support that claim. Along with the fact that Dover runs smoothly most of the time.
Is it not the case that French border control takes place at Dover, prior departure, whereas it does not take place at the other ports that you mention but at the French port on arrival. That is why there are no similar delays at those other UK ports.
 
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Is it not the case that French border control takes place at Dover, prior departure, whereas it does not take place at the other ports that you mention but at the French port on arrival. That is why there are no similar delays at those other UK ports.
If that’s the case, move French border controls back to Calais.
No more chickens home to roost, no more delays and everyone will be happy.:)
 
If that’s the case, move French border controls back to Calais.
No more chickens home to roost, no more delays and everyone will be happy.:)

I suspect that would mean moving UK borders back to UK also. Le Touquet Agreement signed in 2002 saw UK border control introduced on French soil as part of an effort to stop "Stowaway" migrants. That and a few other measures saw the numbers fall massively overnight. Might not be so popular a decision under the current migration crisis.
 
Is it not the case that French border control takes place at Dover, prior departure, whereas it does not take place at the other ports that you mention but at the French port on arrival. That is why there are no similar delays at those other UK ports.
No that’s not true, this has absolutely nothing to do with the French. And there have in the past been delays at these other ports. But the simple fact is people want to travel to France taking the shortest and cheapest route, and that means Dover, which cannot cope with recent changes. They will have to place limits on numbers. Also there have been delays in France, but not as bad as Dover, but Calais can handle the numbers better than Dover.
 
Further demands on the limited physical space in Dover for border formalities will be made later this year when HMG are obliged to finally introduce their border control checks.

So far we have postponed the checks 4 or 5 times. EU nations walk through our border in exactly the same way as they have done for the last 3 decades at the moment.

IF we ever get it together to monitor who comes into the country and how long they stay it will complicate things even further with more space needed to creat the border we asked for.
 
UK Government has issued an updated France Travel Advice Notice warning of extra delays in travelling via Dover over Easter, plus the heightened strikes impact and warnings to keep clear of likely trouble spots, It;s quite difficult to keep track of the growing list of general 'Travel to France' precautions, but the need to have breathalyser kits seems to have disappeared. Small mercies ... :rolleyes:

Steve
 
UK Government has issued an updated France Travel Advice Notice warning of extra delays in travelling via Dover over Easter, plus the heightened strikes impact and warnings to keep clear of likely trouble spots, It;s quite difficult to keep track of the growing list of general 'Travel to France' precautions, but the need to have breathalyser kits seems to have disappeared. Small mercies ... :rolleyes:

Steve
Need to carry breathalyser vanished a long time ago
Though, apparently, if you had out of date ones you could get done (never going to happen)
Last time I looked ferries were , rather naughtily , still selling them
 
Need to carry breathalyser vanished a long time ago
Though, apparently, if you had out of date ones you could get done (never going to happen)
Last time I looked ferries were , rather naughtily , still selling them
Sorry, the reference to the breathalyser was a bit of a p*ss take. The exercise was allegedly an act of cronyism by M Sarkozy in favour of a producer of said kits, and, even when required, as you as you had one in the vehicle, you could demand that the Gendarme use his/her kit so that you remained compliant with the law ... :rolleyes:

Steve
 
Slight move off topic. The Passport Agency was criticised by the Public Accounts Committee yesterday for having senior management who appear obliviouss to the need to provide a public service, and appear to have made few additional preparations for in excess of 10 million Passport Renewals/First issues whilst having a 5 week strike on their hands. IIRC, there were some 360,000 people who had to cancel or delay travel last year, and the Passport Office expects some 2.1 million extra renewal requests this year

Steve
 
No that’s not true, this has absolutely nothing to do with the French. And there have in the past been delays at these other ports. But the simple fact is people want to travel to France taking the shortest and cheapest route, and that means Dover, which cannot cope with recent changes. They will have to place limits on numbers. Also there have been delays in France, but not as bad as Dover, but Calais can handle the numbers better than Dover.
Dover is, to my knowledge, the only UK seaport at which French border control is carried out prior embarkation. And Calais, to my knowledge, is the only French seaport at which UK border control is carried out prior embarkation. I believe that for all other ferry crossings, foreign border control is performed after disembarkation. It is my understanding that Port of Dover has been very pleased with the service provided by the French, including provision of extra personnel to address recent delays involving large numbers of coaches. But it is because French border control (more onerous since ******) is conducted at Dover that these issues occur there and not at other UK seaports.
 
Dover is, to my knowledge, the only UK seaport at which French border control is carried out prior embarkation. And Calais, to my knowledge, is the only French seaport at which UK border control is carried out prior embarkation. I believe that for all other ferry crossings, foreign border control is performed after disembarkation. It is my understanding that Port of Dover has been very pleased with the service provided by the French, including provision of extra personnel to address recent delays involving large numbers of coaches. But it is because French border control (more onerous since ******) is conducted at Dover that these issues occur there and not at other UK seaports.
Calais can handle greater numbers than Dover. So possibly reversing the process would help. This would mean the greater admin created by the new checks could be carried out there instead. Sorry but I don’t wish to get into the politics on here, and continuing this post would necessitate me doing so.
Suffice to say the main reason for the delays is due to the sheer volume of travellers wishing to use the quickest and cheapest entry point to Europe. I believe Dover takes more than the others put together. The government seek to control the amount of travellers using Dover in the future. This will involve some having to use other crossing points instead, spreading the load. But as I said previously, the blame for this does not lie with the French.
 
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Calais can handle greater numbers than Dover. So possibly reversing the process would help. This would mean the greater admin created by the new checks could be carried out there instead. Sorry but I don’t wish to get into the politics on here, and continuing this post would necessitate me doing so.
Suffice to say I was replying
I certainly don't intend to get into politics either. I was simply making the point that Dover is a special case in terms of where French border control happens, hence the lack of similar issues at other UK seaports.
 
I certainly don't intend to get into politics either. I was simply making the point that Dover is a special case in terms of where French border control happens, hence the lack of similar issues at other UK seaports.
I don’t agree, these other ports don’t have the same problems due to much lower numbers. Hence why it’s being proposed that travellers numbers at Dover will be restricted in busy periods, with travellers using the other quieter ports. But I do think reversing the current set up may help. I think it should be at least looked at, but I don’t know if both countries would agree.
 

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