Delays at Dover

[Fisherman]

But nobody’s arguing or being nasty to each other, Jim, so I don’t see why you are getting upset

If you’ve got issues with a particular forum member why don’t you just block them so they won’t irritate you?

Not worth getting get yor knickers in a twist aboot nowt, pet, at our age it can be bad for your health

Whinging moron, he’s talking about you Marie. Poor guy he must have a death wish, you and Annie will hunt him down

 

[marchie]

Speaking as someone who regularly travelled to Europe through Passport control (with a variety of different European banknotes in my wallet), these delays have always been there at certain times of the year. It's nothing new. But nowadays it is convenient to blame it all on something that came about recently (B). Especially among those who have recently become very politically orientated. Of course forums were not so popular back then and people had not turned into whingeing morons, they accepted that these things happened when travelling and accepted more.

Phil has done exactly the correct thing by restricting political discussions on here as all it does is cause arguments. I no longer post on 2 motorhome forums where political discussions have wrecked the sites. There are a number of wildcamping members who appear to have done the same and appear on here. On one of them the Admin himself was the biggest culprit who actively encouraged dissent just so he could trumpet his own political views. Hypocritically he now posts more on here than on his own forum and stays well away from being destructive because he knows he will be banned.

There have been over 30 posts now, so I hope Phil sees my post and deems it political and closes the thread.

With respect, travelling with different currencies has nothing to do with the delays at Dover. And, unless you are referring to travel before 1 January 1973, the delays at Dover have not always been there [the last I can remember was 1972 when my then girlfriend's family were in the Ferry Queue for over a day with their car and caravan]. The change happened because of a decision [Simon Calder said more than once yesterday that UK 'asked to be treated as a 3rd Country' [for travel arrangements] [in legal terms, any country that is not an EU Member State is a Third Country, but it can negotiate specific Treaties/Trade Agreements et al, and UK Government refused the EU offer of a lighter touch regime]

The travel delays have only occurred since the UK's request to be treated as a Third Country for Travel was fully enacted, because the Rules include the need for each passenger on a coach to have their Passport checked individually, taking 75-90 seconds for each Passenger. or some 75-90 minutes extra per coach, As Simon Calder said yesterday, the days where each passenger just waved their passport from the coach window and the vehicle was waved through [consistent with the EU Entry/Exit System Rules under Freedom of Movement] have gone, and the only way to alleviate the problem is to emulate Eurostar Trains, and travel with only 50%-70% passenger capacity

The term 'whingeing morons' is just a gratuitous insult and adds nothing to the quality of the Thread

Steve

 

[alcam]

With respect, travelling with different currencies has nothing to do with the delays at Dover. And, unless you are referring to travel before 1 january 1973, the delays at Dover have not always been there [the last I can remember was 1972 when my then girlfriend's family were in the Ferry Queue for over a day]. The change happened because of a decision [Simon Caulder said more than once yesterday that UK 'asked to be treated as a 3rd Country' [for travel arrangements] [in legal terms, any country that is not an EU Member State is a Third Country, but it can negotiate specific Treaties/Trade Agreements et al, and UK Government refused the EU offer of a lighter touch regime]

The travel delays have only occurred since the UK's request to be treated as a Third Country for Travel was fully enacted, because the Rules include the need for each passenger on a coach to have their Passport checked individually, taking 75-90 seconds for each Passenger. or some 75-90 minutes extra per coach, As Simon Caulder said yesterday, the days where each passenger just waved their passport from the coach window and the vehicle was waved through [consistent with the EU Entry/Exit System Rules under Freedom of Movement] have gone, and the only way to alleviate the problem is to emulate Eurostar Trains, and travel with only 50%-70% passenger capacity

The term 'whingeing morons' is just a gratuitous insult and adds nothing to the quality of the Thread

Steve

Well said .
Difficult to understand why people don't realise most things are political.
Some may think it is worth having these inconveniences , some may not
But it is plain daft to try and argue against the obvious reason for these current delays

 

[mark61]

Well said .
Difficult to understand why people don't realise most things are political.
Some may think it is worth having these inconveniences , some may not
But it is plain daft to try and argue against the obvious reason for these current delays

No delays at Portsmouth, Newhaven, Harwich etc etc hardly support that claim. Along with the fact that Dover runs smoothly most of the time.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Some folk in here deserve gold medals for whingeing (me included!).

In this case the well known phrase pots and kettles springs to mind...

 

[mariesnowgoose]

No delays at Portsmouth, Newhaven, Harwich etc etc hardly support that claim. Along with the fact that Dover runs smoothly most of the time.

Except Dover was agreed specifically as a "hard border" port, unlike the others...?

Whatever.

It is obviously a thorny (and definitely not normal!) problem for travellers right now, no matter what you think the causes for the delays might be

 

[marchie]

No delays at Portsmouth, Newhaven, Harwich etc etc hardly support that claim. Along with the fact that Dover runs smoothly most of the time.

Then let me explain. UK Government [a political body] refused the EU offer under the ****** Negotiations to have equal treatment of access for EU citizens and UK citizens for entry to the respective countries, because it did not fit with the UK Government's stated position of ****** being necessary to take back control and control immigration by removing Freedom of Movement. In doing so, UK Government asked to be treated as a 3rd Country and to have 2 external borders in Kent [Tunnel & Port of Dover], so a political decision

Port of Dover has insufficient space to cope with the storage of coaches whilst the consequences of the UK Government [political] decision to refuse the lighter touch of Passport verification that the original EU Offer would have entailed are enacted; i.e. every individual passenger on a coach has to be processed singly, adding 60-75 seconds or up to 75 minutes to process each coachload of passengers. So the queues will continue to build at peak periods. The same problems do occur at Portsmouth [short access road to M275 means a queue of about 12 coaches or lorries will cause traffic safety problems] and at Newhaven, where the Dieppe Ferry was still unloading vehicles on the arriving ferry, whilst beginning to load arriving vehicles to minimise delays caused by the queue of 100m+ from UK Passport Control

The Port of Dover position is exacerbated, because the shortest crossing/cheapest prices offerings attract far more coaches than do other Ferry Ports. One inescapable fact is that the UK Government took a political decision that will delay the arrival and departure of passengers because of the pinchpoint that lack of space produces. The problem did not exist prior to the political decision to remove Freedom of Movement, and indeed when UK was an EU Member State.

If Dover runs smoothly most of the time, why has UK Government made the Lorry Storage Area on the motorway a permanent feature?

Steve

 

[mark61]

Then let me explain. UK Government [a political body] refused the EU offer under the ****** Negotiations to have equal treatment of access for EU citizens and UK citizens for entry to the respective countries, because it did not fit with the UK Government's stated position of ****** being necessary to take back control and control immigration by removing Freedom of Movement. In doing so, UK Government asked to be treated as a 3rd Country and to have 2 external borders in Kent [Tunnel & Port of Dover], so a political decision

Port of Dover has insufficient space to cope with the storage of coaches whilst the consequences of the UK Government [political] decision to refuse the lighter touch of Passport verification that the original EU Offer would have entailed are enacted; i.e. every individual passenger on a coach has to be processed singly, adding 60-75 seconds or up to 75 minutes to process each coachload of passengers. So the queues will continue to build at peak periods. The same problems do occur at Portsmouth [short access road to M275 means a queue of about 12 coaches or lorries will cause traffic safety problems] and at Newhaven, where the Dieppe Ferry was still unloading vehicles on the arriving ferry, whilst beginning to load arriving vehicles to minimise delays caused by the queue of 100m+ from UK Passport Control

The Port of Dover position is exacerbated, because the shortest crossing/cheapest prices offerings attract far more coaches than do other Ferry Ports. One inescapable fact is that the UK Government took a political decision that will delay the arrival and departure of passengers because of the pinchpoint that lack of space produces. The problem did not exist prior to the political decision to remove Freedom of Movement, and indeed when UK was an EU Member State.

If Dover runs smoothly most of the time, why has UK Government made the Lorry Storage Area on the motorway a permanent feature?

Steve

Well, let me explain.
To ensure it continues to run smoothly most of the time.

 

[marchie]

Well, let me explain.
To ensure it continues to run smoothly most of the time.

Fact free response. Never mind

Steve

 

[maingate]

With respect, travelling with different currencies has nothing to do with the delays at Dover. And, unless you are referring to travel before 1 January 1973, the delays at Dover have not always been there [the last I can remember was 1972 when my then girlfriend's family were in the Ferry Queue for over a day with their car and caravan]. The change happened because of a decision [Simon Calder said more than once yesterday that UK 'asked to be treated as a 3rd Country' [for travel arrangements] [in legal terms, any country that is not an EU Member State is a Third Country, but it can negotiate specific Treaties/Trade Agreements et al, and UK Government refused the EU offer of a lighter touch regime]

The travel delays have only occurred since the UK's request to be treated as a Third Country for Travel was fully enacted, because the Rules include the need for each passenger on a coach to have their Passport checked individually, taking 75-90 seconds for each Passenger. or some 75-90 minutes extra per coach, As Simon Calder said yesterday, the days where each passenger just waved their passport from the coach window and the vehicle was waved through [consistent with the EU Entry/Exit System Rules under Freedom of Movement] have gone, and the only way to alleviate the problem is to emulate Eurostar Trains, and travel with only 50%-70% passenger capacity

The term 'whingeing morons' is just a gratuitous insult and adds nothing to the quality of the Thread

Steve

You made me laugh with your post.

The different currencies referred to pre Euro time and the fact that a trip around European countries meant showing ones Passport in the 1980's and 90's

As for delays at Dover, what about bad weather? What about tightened security due to terrorism? What about Induustrial action? All have played a part in long delays.

And finally ..... You ripped apart the character of a well known TV celebrity on our sister forum using a tremendous amount of bile. So please don't lecture me on my language. Just to refresh your memory here is what you said.

"Clarkson is an aged bloated bigot who has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for his latest supercilious, smug hate-filled outpourings. He called for strikers to be executed, and has followed that with his hate speech about a certain female"

I replied to that post by saying a more moderate post would sond less like a mindless rant and you took exception to that. Don't worry, I am not bothered by your words, it is the double standards that let you down in my estimation.

 

[marchie]

You made me laugh with your post.

The different currencies referred to pre Euro time and the fact that a trip around European countries meant showing ones Passport in the 1980's and 90's

As for delays at Dover, what about bad weather? What about tightened security due to terrorism? What about Induustrial action? All have played a part in long delays.

And finally ..... You ripped apart the character of a well known TV celebrity on our sister forum using a tremendous amount of bile. So please don't lecture me on my language. Just to refresh your memory here is what you said.

"Clarkson is an aged bloated bigot who has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for his latest supercilious, smug hate-filled outpourings. He called for strikers to be executed, and has followed that with his hate speech about a certain female"

I replied to that post by saying a more moderate post would sond less like a mindless rant and you took exception to that. Don't worry, I am not bothered by your words, it is the double standards that let you down in my estimation.

The difference is, I can, and did defend my assertions about Mr Clarkson [who has since apologised for his abhorrent comments]. So, it is not a double standard.

As for the rest of your excuses for the delays, they are only examples. There were some weather delays over the weekend, but the overwhelming reason was that coaches were taking an extra 60-75 minutes per coach to check passengers, There was no mention of delayed sailings because of industrial action, or of delays to sailings for cars and lorries [indeed, specific comments were made that cars and lorries were not affected, because, of course, a lory will have 1 or 2 drivers onboard, and the average car, say 4 [ferry] passengers, so 2.5 minutes to Passport check each lorry, and a maximum of 3 minutes per car]

As for your other comments, pre or post € has no relevance to Ferry delays. Passports still have to be shown today as they did 40+ years ago, but the Schengen Agreement post dated the majority of the period you refer to, and the Ferry Passenger market was smaller too

Never mind

Steve

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Fact free response. Never mind

Steve

Steve, I hate to say it but you're fighting a losing battle in this forum!

As for your comments about one Clarkson J., if that's actually true then I can only agree unequivocally with your "quoted" opinion

Steady as she goes - lest blood pressures rise and matron needs to be called on to take pulses, say "There, there, dear, never mind" and offer hot, sweet teas in an attempt to reduce confrontation and in-house fighting from sabre-rattlers.

Oo-er, missus!

 

[mariesnowgoose]

You made me laugh with your post.

The different currencies referred to pre Euro time and the fact that a trip around European countries meant showing ones Passport in the 1980's and 90's

As for delays at Dover, what about bad weather? What about tightened security due to terrorism? What about Induustrial action? All have played a part in long delays.

And finally ..... You ripped apart the character of a well known TV celebrity on our sister forum using a tremendous amount of bile. So please don't lecture me on my language. Just to refresh your memory here is what you said.

"Clarkson is an aged bloated bigot who has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for his latest supercilious, smug hate-filled outpourings. He called for strikers to be executed, and has followed that with his hate speech about a certain female"

I replied to that post by saying a more moderate post would sond less like a mindless rant and you took exception to that. Don't worry, I am not bothered by your words, it is the double standards that let you down in my estimation.

And the wooden spoon award goes to....

This is wild camping.co.uk, not "other forums", Jim.
Behave yourself, monkey pants, and stop trying to stir it!!

 

[marchie]

Steve, I hate to say it but you're fighting a losing battle in this forum!

As for your comments about one Clarkson J., if that's actually true then I can only agree unequivocally with your "quoted" opinion

Steady as she goes - lest blood pressures rise and matron needs to be called on to take pulses, say "There, there, dear, never mind" and offer hot, sweet teas in an attempt to reduce confrontation and in-house fighting from sabre-rattlers.

Oo-er, missus!

Marie, I have been assessed by a former [Senior Social Worker] work colleague as a 'complete anal retentive' [guilty as charged] and there's more than a little OCD in my make up, and this combination both adds to the Blood Pressure, and hampers my attempts to let matters go. If I ask a 'normal' person what percentage of a week is 1 day, the reply would invariably be, 'Dunno, 13% to 15%, give or take, never really thought about it'. My reply would be 14.285714% [recurring], it's just something I carry around in my head [next to 4.546 litres to a gallon and 2.2046lbs to a kilo]

I do need to get a life, but I do like the fur around my anorak hood and the hood is useful for catching the dandruff ...

Steve

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Marie, I have been assessed by a former [Senior Social Worker] work colleague as a 'complete anal retentive' [guilty as charged] and there's more than a little OCD in my make up, and this combination both adds to the Blood Pressure, and hampers my attempts to let matters go. If I ask a 'normal' person what percentage of a week is 1 day, the reply would invariably be, 'Dunno, 13% to 15%, give or take, never really thought about it'. My reply would be 14.285714% [recurring], it's just something I carry around in my head [next to 4.546 litres to a gallon and 2.2046lbs to a kilo]

I do need to get a life, but I do like the fur around my anorak hood and the hood is useful for catching the dandruff ...

Steve

My comments were not directed at you, but a regional dinosaur who has long forgotten his ancestoral roots. I do hope you realise that...

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Phew!

Getting a bit warm in here

 

[marchie]

My comments were not directed at you, but a regional dinosaur who has long forgotten his ancestoral roots. I do hope you realise that...

Of course, Marie! I try to post humourous/mickey taking/self effacing replies wherever possible to stop my anal retentive/OCD side getting bogged down in the detail

Steve

 

[marchie]

I hope this will be my final comment on this topic. The PM's spokesperson has today acknowledged that the delays at Dover included Bad Weather, new procedures post ******, and a need to work closely with the French authorities to find ways of speeding up traffic flows ... The link below is The Guardian's report

Dover Delays in runup to Easter

Steve

 

[Fisherman]

I hope this will be my final comment on this topic. The PM's spokesperson has today acknowledged that the delays at Dover included Bad Weather, new procedures post ******, and a need to work closely with the French authorities to find ways of speeding up traffic flows ... The link below is The Guardian's report

Dover Delays in runup to Easter

Steve

No you don’t

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I hope this will be my final comment on this topic. The PM's spokesperson has today acknowledged that the delays at Dover included Bad Weather, new procedures post ******, and a need to work closely with the French authorities to find ways of speeding up traffic flows ... The link below is The Guardian's report

Dover Delays in runup to Easter

Steve

Blummin 'eck as like, Steve!

Quick, call the boss - we've been infiltrated by some leftie-lawyer, tofu-eating wokerati spam links!