Clean air zones

[marchie]

As mentioned I got onto my MP, Total waste of breath. It is going to get much worse for our hobby too.

He opposed the 20mph limit in Ikley too, they are going ahead with it so the man has no teeth just lots of hot air.

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But look what he is up against with the grammar and syntax of the Bradford Council reply, Kev ...

Steve

 

[Pudsey Bear]

But look what he is up against with the grammar and syntax of the Bradford Council reply, Kev ...

Steve

Show off

 

[marchie]

Show off

I never show off my smart arse, Kev; I keep it covered, for reasons of modesty and propriety

Steve

 

[Glandwr]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but there is a very good app that shows every clean air zone in Europe including the UK. It lists the requirements/days/hours they are applicable together with detailed maps. It's free but for a small sub you can link it to the V5 on your van.

Search for "Green-Zones eu" in play store. I assume it's also available for the iPhone people.

 

[GeoffL]

As mentioned I got onto my MP, Total waste of breath. It is going to get much worse for our hobby too.

He opposed the 20mph limit in Ikley too, they are going ahead with it so the man has no teeth just lots of hot air.

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Bradford CC are talking out of their backsides. They do not have to abide by the DVLA classification, as Newcastle have proved. I sent Newcastle some photos of my van and they added it to their list of exempt vehicles with no issues. AFAICT, that also transfers if and when I sell the van on!
Besides that, DVLA themselves some time ago stated that their classification only shows what the vehicle looks like rather than what the vehicle actually is...

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Bradford CC are talking out of their backsides. They do not have to abide by the DVLA classification, as Newcastle have proved. I sent Newcastle some photos of my van and they added it to their list of exempt vehicles with no issues. AFAICT, that also transfers if and when I sell the van on!
Besides that, DVLA themselves some time ago stated that their classification only shows what the vehicle looks like rather than what the vehicle actually is...

Correct.

Bradford probably have a totally different system to Newcastle for processing vehicle data.

Joined up thinking on computer systems at local government level has always been a pipe dream and beyond the reach of most of them - at least in England!

Geoff, I didn't realise DVLA had a facility for showing what a vehicle looks like? Is this some part of their publicly-accesible system that I haven't discovered yet?!

 

[GeoffL]

Geoff, I didn't realise DVLA had a facility for showing what a vehicle looks like? Is this some part of their publicly-accesible system that I haven't discovered yet?!

This is the excuse DVLA give for refusing to change body-type to "motor caravan" and use "van with windows" instead!

 

[mariesnowgoose]

As an aside, the rules for using council refuse/recycling facilities always irk me.

Although I have never owned a straightforward "van", I have never understood the rules about vans not being allowed to take stuff to their local recycling centre without a permit first, yet I can drive in with something like a Renault Kangoo, or a Berlingo, or any one of those types of "van-come-people-carrier" type vehicles and get rid of as much "business waste" as I like - just because it's got windows in it

But one of the worst councils I know for rubbish disposal has got to be Middlesbrough.

When we came to clear Neil's Mum's house out after she died last year we weren't allowed to take anything to the local tip (in any kind of vehicle!) unless we were actually a resident of Middlesbrough, no ifs, buts, or exceptions of any kind! Talk about jobsworth nonsense. And then they wonder why there's a big increase in fly-tipping since these rules were introduced. Actually, they don't wonder at all, do they?! Prats

The joke clip someone put up somewhere on this forum the other day about Ricky Gervais ordering 2 kid's meals at a McDonalds and being refused because he wasn't a kid is about the same kind of logic, imo.

They all need heads knocking together. Not that it would put any sense into them as you would need a functioning brain to start with!

 

[Pudsey Bear]

You can apply for an exemption for any class of vehicle that carries a person who is eligible for adisabled badge.

How do I do that? I can't find anything about it that would apply to me in the van.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

How do I do that? I can't find anything about it that would apply to me in the van.

Don't know if this is any use as a starting point, Kev?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1143399/ins216-how-to-apply-for-free-disabled-tax-pdf.pdf

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Thanks Marie but being disabled and having a blue badge is enough, even being of a certain age doesn't count it should do but then it would involve some considerate thinking.

 

[Nabsim]

Don't know if this is any use as a starting point, Kev?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1143399/ins216-how-to-apply-for-free-disabled-tax-pdf.pdf

That’s for the free tax Marie, it’s registering a vehicle in the disabled class that exempts it from the zones. I have on,y ever done it when I was also applying the tax exemption so it may be you can’t do one without the other. I have assumed because my car is exempt I couldn’t do the van but will have to have a look.

Edit: ignore me, it says further on in that document it’s tax class so can only be one. Maybe something else I used to know and forgot as I was fairly sure I couldn’t do both but not why

 

[mariesnowgoose]

That’s for the free tax Marie, it’s registering a vehicle in the disabled class that exempts it from the zones. I have on,y ever done it when I was also applying the tax exemption so it may be you can’t do one without the other. I have assumed because my car is exempt I couldn’t do the van but will have to have a look.

Edit: ignore me, it says further on in that document it’s tax class so can only be one. Maybe something else I used to know and forgot as I was fairly sure I couldn’t do both but not why

So is there no way of linking the disabled “certificate of entitlement” to the actual vehicle type details on the DVLA database?

I guess there mustn’t be as there is no indication that a vehicle is a “motor caravan” online either

Reckon it’s about time the DVLA had a proper overhaul and updating of its computer systems to encompass a wider range of classifications online. Everything else has moved online, but they still rely on half the information to come from a paper document! Like the donkey’s tail.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Our car was already in the zero tax class before we bought it.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

So is there no way of linking the disabled “certificate of entitlement” to the actual vehicle type details on the DVLA database?

I guess there mustn’t be as there is no indication that a vehicle is a “motor caravan” online either

Reckon it’s about time the DVLA had a proper overhaul and updating of its computer systems to encompass a wider range of classifications online. Everything else has moved online, but they still rely on half the information to come from a paper document! Like the donkey’s tail.

Which is often not completed properly by the converter or original selling dealer.


Are 4x4 cars used to tow caravans exempt? If so a whole section of society is being discriminated perhaps. Could a legal challenge on that basis work, I made my council move a lamp post it had put near my drive entrance as we lived on a hill and with the tilt it effectively blocked my access for the van.

 

[GeoffL]

As an aside, the rules for using council refuse/recycling facilities always irk me.

Although I have never owned a straightforward "van", I have never understood the rules about vans not being allowed to take stuff to their local recycling centre without a permit first, yet I can drive in with something like a Renault Kangoo, or a Berlingo, or any one of those types of "van-come-people-carrier" type vehicles and get rid of as much "business waste" as I like - just because it's got windows in it

But one of the worst councils I know for rubbish disposal has got to be Middlesbrough.

When we came to clear Neil's Mum's house out after she died last year we weren't allowed to take anything to the local tip (in any kind of vehicle!) unless we were actually a resident of Middlesbrough, no ifs, buts, or exceptions of any kind! Talk about jobsworth nonsense. And then they wonder why there's a big increase in fly-tipping since these rules were introduced. Actually, they don't wonder at all, do they?! Prats

The joke clip someone put up somewhere on this forum the other day about Ricky Gervais ordering 2 kid's meals at a McDonalds and being refused because he wasn't a kid is about the same kind of logic, imo.

They all need heads knocking together. Not that it would put any sense into them as you would need a functioning brain to start with!

TBH, it's the same with Cornwall Council. I had to get a permit for my personal transport because it was a Citroen Dispatch PVC (albeit windowless) and even then I wasn't permitted on their waste transfer stations if towing a trailer with my "commercial vehicle". OTOH, I could have loaded my old LWB Pajero up to the roof with waste and also towed a 6ft trailer-full with no questions asked
The worst for me was when I was a cycling fanatic and did everything by bicycle I could. I cycled about seven miles of hills towing a trailer loaded with bin bags to my nearest waste transfer station only to be turned away because I wasn't in a car! Even though people were walking all over the place between their cars and the skips, it seems that pedestrians were not permitted on-site; and cyclists were deemed to be pedestrians I was obliged to cycle back home, put the bin bags in the back of the car and, not wishing to pay the ferry toll, drive a 32 mile round trip. <fe>You know it makes sense </fe>

 

[marchie]

TBH, it's the same with Cornwall Council. I had to get a permit for my personal transport because it was a Citroen Dispatch PVC (albeit windowless) and even then I wasn't permitted on their waste transfer stations if towing a trailer with my "commercial vehicle". OTOH, I could have loaded my old LWB Pajero up to the roof with waste and also towed a 6ft trailer-full with no questions asked
The worst for me was when I was a cycling fanatic and did everything by bicycle I could. I cycled about seven miles of hills towing a trailer loaded with bin bags to my nearest waste transfer station only to be turned away because I wasn't in a car! Even though people were walking all over the place between their cars and the skips, it seems that pedestrians were not permitted on-site; and cyclists were deemed to be pedestrians I was obliged to cycle back home, put the bin bags in the back of the car and, not wishing to pay the ferry toll, drive a 32 mile round trip. <fe>You know it makes sense </fe>

'Bureaucracy gone cerebrally challenged'?

Steve

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Not sure i agree, we pay council tax to our local council so why should someone from a different area use our tip? We have a permit and I've taken stuff in the moho with no problem.

As for clearing someone's house in another town all you should need is a letter from that council in their name etc to be allowed to tip, if going in a business's van then of course you should be paying but not need a actual permit.

We live on a quiet country road and the council has two CCTV cameras there to spot the fly tippers it doesn't stop them as they are too stupid to read the warning signs but they are in the local rag every day.

 

[JQB]

Correct title at last

We drove the van through Glasgow & we drove through Edinburg, (no letters yet) big mistake to drive through Edinburgh, over an hour to cross the city as it was the start of the Cannonball Run that day, but no complaints as we had more time to look at that beautiful city and observe the nutters in all their glory.

Anyway, Clean air zones? what do we think about them? Are they destined to be a fad and scrapped as none effective?

If this is an example, possibly.

Air pollution INCREASES in Glasgow Low Emission Zone since rules enforced

The controversial zone has been widely panned and it seems it may not even be having the desired impact

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk

Last time we were in Edinburgh it was a peasouper so coul'nt see much at all for days. Anything that makes councils easy money is here to stay - just look at £millions made from bus lanes. They will continue to dream up money making schemes for sure.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

How do they make money from bus lanes?