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I think it also included no side windows opened projecting into the street but allowed skylights to be opened.
Caravan with awning on small car park on Arran
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They are Travelers although they just see it as a cheap holiday. Not a lot you can do really unless there are signs and even then its down to the car park owner. We were away earlier in the year and a couple of MHs had taken route in a free carpark with their awnings out over the grass, bbq and table and chairs. Just makes the Council think about banning everyone. We have just been told by friends that one of our overnight stops on the South Coast overlooking the Needles Lighthouse is about to have a ban on overnight stays. Locals are fed up with the MHs that get all their kit out and move in on the side of the road.
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And what’s similar.there was a similar thread to this recently:
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The other day we pulled up to one of our favourite spots where we are usually the only motorhome and as we approached, I was pleased to note that there were no height barriers yet as I suspect there will be soon. However, I was dismayed to note that there were four wagons there already (one an...wildcamping.co.uk
I have not looked down my nose at someone in a self built van, believing I have more right to park than them or anyone else. Nor did I squeeze in between two vans then complain about the POI being too busy.
My concern here is parking in a small carpark with an awning out fully, and a car parked alongside taking up half the carpark for 10 nights, just might result in no overnight parking signs being erected. I thought that was a concern for us all on here, but apparently not. Quite honestly I find the comparison insulting.
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I thought it misplaced as well Bill.
We all know the work you put in to further our cause so please continue.
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Hence why I get angry with this kind of behaviour Rob. I just wonder why some seem to think this is wild camping.
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Im struggling to see ANY difference between a caravan and a motorhome to be honest ...
One part of me sees 'us' in a motorhome/campervan ad just another parked car etc able to move on in short order if needed ...
And a caravan as more of a effort to move ...
BUT in reality all are portable and able to shift/ move on so so problems ...
IF I had an issue it would be with the deployment of awning etc and appearance of looking like you were going to be there for more than a night or so ...
And that applies to all types of unit ...
I go out of MY way to look like I'm just stopped for a break rather than turning anywhere into a impromptu camp site (even to the point of winding the electric step in overnight )
And not putting chairs out etc ...
Appearances to others CAN present very negative images at times ...
One part of me sees 'us' in a motorhome/campervan ad just another parked car etc able to move on in short order if needed ...
And a caravan as more of a effort to move ...
BUT in reality all are portable and able to shift/ move on so so problems ...
IF I had an issue it would be with the deployment of awning etc and appearance of looking like you were going to be there for more than a night or so ...
And that applies to all types of unit ...
I go out of MY way to look like I'm just stopped for a break rather than turning anywhere into a impromptu camp site (even to the point of winding the electric step in overnight )
And not putting chairs out etc ...
Appearances to others CAN present very negative images at times ...
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I have no problem with the caravan, as you say it was the awning which took up extra space in a small carpark, and then making matters worse by parking their Porche SUV alongside the caravan, taking up even more precious space. As you say apart from the fact they took up half of the carpark, it looked bad, and that’s important. But surprisingly some on here reckon they were doing nothing wrong.
I erred regarding thinking about calling the police, but that was due to my anger and frustration, and was in hindsight, idiotic of me.
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Indeed ....
To be honest I'm starting to think (and have been for some time )
That the whole 'wild camping' thing is about to implode in the UK ...
More and more people looking at less and less places with more and more forums/pages promoting it along with people's sense of 'entitlement' mean it's just a ticking time bomb .
As much as we try to educate/inform/guide
More and more folks that think they can do as the please wherever they want mean more and more folks getting upset ...
Including those within out own 'community' that can't use their own favourite spots ...
Or just choose to get upset about it and then squeeze in ANYWAY .
It's not a good outlook
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As you say this kind of behaviour is and will create more issues for us. But sadly when we ourselves attempt to justify behaviour which will harm us, this only makes matters worse. Hopefully we won’t lose a great stopover, but if I turn up there next spring only to find a no overnight parking sign, I won’t be shocked.
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Interesting point re comparison with caravan and campervans.
The comparison with the other thread is only , I think , relevant where I pointed out big campers often take up 2-3 spaces .
It seems here , without knowing the carpark , to be a similar problem .
Big rigs of any description should not take over small Aires/parking spots
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god alone knows why anyone wants to camp up on a bloomin car park anyway?
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I think it's possible for small units to take up an unreasonable amount of space too IF care isn't taken ...
We can ALL spread out out IF we choose to ...
Thankfully most folks tread lightly (personally Ill try to tuck myself away and take up the least amount of space as to not inconvenience other users )
A car park taken over by wild campers is always going to get folks backs up ...
However if I'm tucked away and usually out and about with a litter picker and bin bag ...
OR Even on occasion fixing the flush mechanism in the nearby public toilets etc ...
I've NEVER had an issue with negative local folks once I've chatted to them (takes a huge amount of effort personally having issues with social interaction )
And have hand on heart met some lovely folks
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I think your right. Ive all but given up even bothering to wild in England but my ears prick up when I see Arran as its been one of my haunts for 30+ years. Scotland seems to be the place getting most of the attention now and Ill bet thats where we will see the no overnighting signs go up. If it happens on Arran ill be devastated. Its already happened on some of the other islands.
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Plus we’re still a very long way from getting anywhere near a decent aire network in the UK, so what else are you supposed to do?
Since the pandemic, ****** and “cost of living crisis” there’s been a big surge in popularity for campervans/mohos for “staycations”, boosted/encouraged by the plethora of recent TV series with various celebrities (and the multitude of van life YouTubers etc. that have sprung up latterly) shining a big spotlight on campervanning in all its forms. Naturally a lot of folk want to emulate what they see, especially the not-so-wealthy, ergo there’s increased pressure on popular touristy areas of the country that were never geared up to cater for this big, seasonal influx.
****, we’re a country that can’t even provide half-decent facilities for the armies of HGVs and commercial vans (without which all manner of your daily supplies - necessary or otherwise - would dry up) thundering around our roads. At least not when compared to Europe. So don’t expect the “leisure” side of things to instantly improve to match the growth in campervan popularity anytime soon.
CAMPrA are doing a grand job to try and educate local authorities to move in the right direction, but Rome wasn’t built in a day either.
You’ll just have to suck it up. Accept the fact that all these “favourite” UK spots are not anyone’s exclusive preserve and may be occupied at any moment, without warning, by all kinds of a-holes - including moho a-holes! - driving all manner of vehicles…
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True that Marie. This is what happened in France I think many years ago and it's why and how the aires network grew so maybe it's in its infancy here now. Legislation needs to change here though before we can look forward to similar.
That said. We have toured the UK for the past two summers spending long periods in one place. Longer than this tugger is on Arran and both tours have been absolutely fabulous. The answer? Off grid hidden away CLs. Basically permitted wilding.
However I have a confession to make which I dare not yet as I'm not pissed enough. Where I am now (for a month) is the absolute total opposite of our ethos of motorhoming.
That said. We have toured the UK for the past two summers spending long periods in one place. Longer than this tugger is on Arran and both tours have been absolutely fabulous. The answer? Off grid hidden away CLs. Basically permitted wilding.
However I have a confession to make which I dare not yet as I'm not pissed enough. Where I am now (for a month) is the absolute total opposite of our ethos of motorhoming.
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Oh dear young Barrington you've been on campsites !!!! never mind old son you'll be forgiven-----------------------------------------------eventually. Our confession is that during our (very) few forays we have done Brit Stops at pubs, but only because we couldn't go very far and I just wanted to get out in the tin tentTrue that Marie. This is what happened in France I think many years ago and it's why and how the aires network grew so maybe it's in its infancy here now. Legislation needs to change here though before we can look forward to similar.
That said. We have toured the UK for the past two summers spending long periods in one place. Longer than this tugger is on Arran and both tours have been absolutely fabulous. The answer? Off grid hidden away CLs. Basically permitted wilding.
However I have a confession to make which I dare not yet as I'm not pissed enough. Where I am now (for a month) is the absolute total opposite of our ethos of motorhoming.
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As an addendum, I've never understood why some motorhomers seem to get so sniffy about caravans. 
I'll give it a name. A not very complimentary one either - petty snobbery
Just cos y'all prefer a caravan with a fancy engine in it and suddenly you've turned yourselves into Lord and Lady Muck (or maybe you already were... a snob or titled, that is!)
I'll give it a name. A not very complimentary one either - petty snobbery
Just cos y'all prefer a caravan with a fancy engine in it and suddenly you've turned yourselves into Lord and Lady Muck (or maybe you already were... a snob or titled, that is!)
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True that Marie. This is what happened in France I think many years ago and it's why and how the aires network grew so maybe it's in its infancy here now. Legislation needs to change here though before we can look forward to similar.
That said. We have toured the UK for the past two summers spending long periods in one place. Longer than this tugger is on Arran and both tours have been absolutely fabulous. The answer? Off grid hidden away CLs. Basically permitted wilding.
However I have a confession to make which I dare not yet as I'm not pissed enough. Where I am now (for a month) is the absolute total opposite of our ethos of motorhoming.
You're either in some ludicrously expensive hotel in Dubai or on a cruise maybe?
Either that or you're living it up at Butlins ...
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You're either in some ludicrously expensive hotel in Dubai or on a cruise maybe?
Either that or you're living it up at Butlins ...
I reckon he's on a big CCC site and he's signed up as a member. Probably joined the CMC as well and is looking at buying a caravan (with awning).
Blimmin Judas!