fiona b
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Hi
Didn't realise that, thanks for letting me know. Will keep an eye on that. Great letter in the herald
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Didn't realise that, thanks for letting me know. Will keep an eye on that. Great letter in the herald
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I also joined, thought about it for a while and left again.
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I’ve joined, you do not have to have a Facebook page now. They have a website and very recently a forum.
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I too found there was a lot of people talking drivel on the Facebook Group and when I questioned their comments I got thrown out. Presumably the "Leadership" only want positive comments.
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As part of the leadership group we do try and keep the group on topic. If you were just having a go at other people you post would be refused. It takes more than that to be "thrown out" Campra is a Campaign not a talking shop. One man's drivel is another's important point.
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On facebook important posts get lost, but as you know from here, it will be easier to follow the campaigns that are happening on the forum. www.campra.org.uk if you want to be part of campaigning for better facilities for motorcaravans.
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I was told by Barge 1914 that I got inadvertently swept up in a clean out. My comments related to someone suggesting that motorway services were good value. I said they were noisy, smelly and extremely expensive. I also said that my idea of an Aire was an in town space to overnight and not a car park in a Forestry Commission car park that I can use now. I, as always, was polite but obviously not positive enough for the leadership. I really do object to you making an assumption that I'm some evil monster set to destroy your campaign.
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I made no such assumption. I said "If you were just...." If you were not then that does not apply. I defer to Barge 1914 as he does much more on this than me. Your comments do just show that we all have different ideas about what constitutes a good place to stop. Variety is the spice of life.
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I really don't want to dwell on this but " It takes more than this to get thrown out" really does imply that you feel I have done something terrible and that Campra can do no wrong. My final word. Promise.
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My apologies for offending you with my comments. There is no organisation on earth that can do no wrong. lets hope we can all get back to travelling around instead of typing soon.
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I have read through this thread with great interest.
This subject being very close to my heart.
For me you either believe in what this group are doing or you don’t.
I have read comments about travellers taking over these new aires that are being proposed, stating that due to this possibility we should not have aires. I find comments like this to be negative and when you consider that many carparks are available to travellers and the incidence of their abuse being rare that argument simply does not stack up. Also if we applied the same logic to other things we have done to accommodate other groups, then nothing would ever get done. If we allow ourselves to be dictated to by the illegal actions of others, then they have won. But as I say I reckon this problem is being exaggerated.
I also note that some feel that we should remain almost clandestine, keep our heads down, don’t get noticed, things are ok, you will only make things worse.
Well sorry but I simply cannot subscribe to this way of thinking.
The simple fact is each year we lose pois, some that we had used for years.
And each year thousands of new vans are being registered, with obvious consequences, and consequences need action not inaction, or the consequences will only get worse, in turn making things more difficult for us all. And I mean us all.
Other groups such as cyclists, hill walkers, anglers, etc they all fought for what they now enjoy. They organised themselves made their presence known, highlighted the benefits they offered not only for themselves, but for society as a whole. I reckon we are were they used to be, and our journey is in its infancy, but Covid may have accelerated what I believe is inevitable. That things simply have to change the status quo is not an option.
Like any pastime you can mention it’s frequented by varying needs and varying opinions, to my way of thinking that has to be healthy. But only if each group attempts to realise that their group does not have carte Blanche to run rough shod over other groups. We have all types on here, from those who prefer rural locations, to those that prefer cities and more urban locations. Those who I admire who travel abroad to Europe, and even North Africa and beyond, to those who don't travel outside their own country. We have folk who love large A class motorhomes to those who much prefer small campers. I honestly believe that CAMPRA offer a possible solution to a problem not of our making, but due to ignorance and intolerance of others out-with, and sadly within our pastime. And that as they have all of these types within their number they then represent each and every type within our pastime.
When you consider the rights and wrongs of CAMPRA we should try to take a larger more diverse picture, try not to be exclusive with our views, but instead inclusive of what CAMPRA has to offer for us all. After all CAMPRA is merely a microcosm of us, with varying views and requirements to facilitate what we all enjoy. They should not be perceived as the other side, the enemy who will make matters worse, but merely as an organisation frequented by us for us all, no matter what our preferences are, and how we perceive our own individual requirements.
I will step down from my soapbox now, and head for the kettle, a coffee and a good read. Thanks for reading this post, and bring on 2021 and our new travels.
This subject being very close to my heart.
For me you either believe in what this group are doing or you don’t.
I have read comments about travellers taking over these new aires that are being proposed, stating that due to this possibility we should not have aires. I find comments like this to be negative and when you consider that many carparks are available to travellers and the incidence of their abuse being rare that argument simply does not stack up. Also if we applied the same logic to other things we have done to accommodate other groups, then nothing would ever get done. If we allow ourselves to be dictated to by the illegal actions of others, then they have won. But as I say I reckon this problem is being exaggerated.
I also note that some feel that we should remain almost clandestine, keep our heads down, don’t get noticed, things are ok, you will only make things worse.
Well sorry but I simply cannot subscribe to this way of thinking.
The simple fact is each year we lose pois, some that we had used for years.
And each year thousands of new vans are being registered, with obvious consequences, and consequences need action not inaction, or the consequences will only get worse, in turn making things more difficult for us all. And I mean us all.
Other groups such as cyclists, hill walkers, anglers, etc they all fought for what they now enjoy. They organised themselves made their presence known, highlighted the benefits they offered not only for themselves, but for society as a whole. I reckon we are were they used to be, and our journey is in its infancy, but Covid may have accelerated what I believe is inevitable. That things simply have to change the status quo is not an option.
Like any pastime you can mention it’s frequented by varying needs and varying opinions, to my way of thinking that has to be healthy. But only if each group attempts to realise that their group does not have carte Blanche to run rough shod over other groups. We have all types on here, from those who prefer rural locations, to those that prefer cities and more urban locations. Those who I admire who travel abroad to Europe, and even North Africa and beyond, to those who don't travel outside their own country. We have folk who love large A class motorhomes to those who much prefer small campers. I honestly believe that CAMPRA offer a possible solution to a problem not of our making, but due to ignorance and intolerance of others out-with, and sadly within our pastime. And that as they have all of these types within their number they then represent each and every type within our pastime.
When you consider the rights and wrongs of CAMPRA we should try to take a larger more diverse picture, try not to be exclusive with our views, but instead inclusive of what CAMPRA has to offer for us all. After all CAMPRA is merely a microcosm of us, with varying views and requirements to facilitate what we all enjoy. They should not be perceived as the other side, the enemy who will make matters worse, but merely as an organisation frequented by us for us all, no matter what our preferences are, and how we perceive our own individual requirements.
I will step down from my soapbox now, and head for the kettle, a coffee and a good read. Thanks for reading this post, and bring on 2021 and our new travels.
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At least you got told why they booted you out
when I joined I posted helpful comments and some reviews on aires that had been setup by local councils. And helped a few people with directions then boom I post a pic of a council aire being abused and that's it I got booted and blockedMike
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What do they say? Power corrupts, if your that way inclined.At least you got told why they booted you out
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At least you got told why they booted you out
Mike
The way I look at this is. There are the aims of CAMPRA and those who are running it. From what you and Sam have posted generally speaking you agree with their aims but not how you and others who gave honest opinions have been treated.
CAMPRA have to realise that although there is much ignorance out there with regards to us, equally there are those amongst who are simply selfish idiots who do us much harm. Education is not only required from out with our numbers but from within our numbers. They also have to accept that one mans idea of what wild camping is will vary from another’s, and opinions on what is required will vary.
IE, I personally think their name is wrong. It suggests that primarily what we need are aires. I don’t agree. There are literarily thousands of car parks lying empty all over the country at night, and the vast majority are not full during daytime. We are simply road users who instead of parking for a short period wish to park for 24-48 hours. it would be great if a few had facilities for us to empty our cassettes and fill our water tanks, for which we would pay a set fee. So instead of building aires that in most cases we don’t need, simply treat us as motorists with slightly larger vehicles, and save ourselves a fortune having to build aires. But obviously there are situations and places were air type spaces are required. That’s my view, but I respect that others won’t agree.
For CAMPRA to succeed they have to learn not only to embrace differing views, but also be prepared to accept constructive criticism. If those in charge don’t embrace these basic principles, they will create division and intolerance, and this will only do harm to theirs and our cause.
What was done to you and Sam was wrong, and they better learn and fast.
Being blinkered serves no one, disenfranchising those who support their cause is counter productive.
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I too got "booted out" by suggesting it was counter-productive to bombard councils/tourist officers with standard letters simply copied and pasted.
Ah well. Theit ides are sound but they need to wise-up !There web-site presence is better than an FB presence !
Every little helps ! yes but not always.
Emails need to be carefully worded and not set off by being critical and/or demanding.
Ah well. Theit ides are sound but they need to wise-up !There web-site presence is better than an FB presence !
Every little helps ! yes but not always.
Emails need to be carefully worded and not set off by being critical and/or demanding.
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As I know from moderating on several groups on Facebook there are a significant number of ways to get the job done well and there are those who have a high handed way of naffing off almost all of those who would like to participate and all because of them even being able to accept even the slightest amount of criticism! By the way, I resigned almost as soon as I had joined and long before I could ever have been booted off.
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As one of the leadership team on Campra thanks for all your comments. There are a group of us with moderator powers. We are all trying to keep the group as a campaigning group, not a chat group. Some posts which you might think are relevant the moderator who picks it up may not.
The facebook page and the website are being looked at by councils and other outside bodies as the letters sent by members are having an effect. We are now being contacted by councils and companies asking how they can make sure that they have facilities for the surge of staystationers when lockdown is eased. You would be amazed how many think our main requirement is EHU. We are asking for waste points and overnight parking.
I have only booted one person off as they were trying to sell bitcoins. I have refused quite a few posts when they are just chatting.
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The facebook page and the website are being looked at by councils and other outside bodies as the letters sent by members are having an effect. We are now being contacted by councils and companies asking how they can make sure that they have facilities for the surge of staystationers when lockdown is eased. You would be amazed how many think our main requirement is EHU. We are asking for waste points and overnight parking.
I have only booted one person off as they were trying to sell bitcoins. I have refused quite a few posts when they are just chatting.
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