Bargain lithium battery.

AFAIK the main problem with using the EBL99 is burning out the charging circuit if it has to do a lot of charging of the Lithium, having a B2B might help.
Thanks, I have a B2B, I only have 250W of solar panels at the moment but I will be increasing that when we start using the van again, (don't know when that will be), the batteries that I bought are still in Holland on Sea until I can collect them so no rush yet🤣
It has been Insured, MOT'd and taxed without being used since COVID so I have a few upgrades to do
 
So after much movement under the bed to install the 115 ah I find it's no good,,,,,,,Grrrrr
It's been connected to an electric fence in the field for a good few months ,battery charger says full and meter says 10,5 volts. Knackered cell me thinks,
Ordered a new 130 ah from alpha batteries as we still get a discount...
 
The batteries are Renogy, they recommend 14.4v absorbtion voltage and 13.2v float voltage, elektrobloc ebl 99 manual states that the charge settings for the ebl 99 are 14.3 absorbtion voltage with a charging current of 18A, and 13.8 float voltage
I've spent many hours on the excellent DIY solar forum gleaning very important and technical information, there are some of the most knowledgeable people posting there, some of them involved in the development and production of lifepo4 batteries. There are others there actually running tests on various charge and float voltages and monitoring charge speed and capacity. I've also sought out various technical studies and paid to read the research results. The takeaway bullet points are.
Charging at just 13.6 volts gets the battery up to over 95% charge.
13.8v gets you to 100% but the final couple of percent will take a while because the charge current drops away quickly for the last few percent.
The reason why we charge to over 14v isn't anything to do with actual charging, it's to do with getting the battery voltage to a high enough level that the balance circuitry in the BMS kicks in and balances the cells.
The voltage at which balancing starts varies considerably from BMS to BMS, often it starts at around 13.6v, often nearer 13.7v but there's no guarantee, some BMSs are adjustable within the app.
Upper charge voltage isn't particularly important therefore, it's merely a matter of giving the BMS time to balance the cells.
Some BMS take ages to balance out the cells and are frankly rubbish. So If your battery has particularly mismatched cells and a slow balance time and also needs a high voltage say 13.8v to activate the balance then you really need to let the battery sit at a float voltage higher than the BMS balance trigger threshold and leave it there for a few days. Yes, technically this will damage the cells but it's all about EXTENT because actually the damage will be miniscule.
I've seen a research paper where a lifepo4 battery was charged and floated at 16 volts (in order to accelerate the results) for 2 years 24/7 and it only lost around 25% capacity (could have been 30% can't recall) so a couple of days floating at 13.8v isn't going to be significant.
So My personal knowledge on lifepo4 is.....
Charge voltage isn't really important as long as you go over 13.8v
Float voltage isn't really important. BUT
Don't leave them floating for weeks and weeks on end.
Done.
Virtually any lead acid charger will fit the above requirements including your existing but there's a couple of things to consider.
When charging a LFP battery instead of a lead acid the charger will probably spend more time in bulk mode delivering it's full amperage, this means the charger will be working at full tilt for longer than usual. Theoretically the electronics will be OK because the design is ultimately rated for it's specified current but if the the charger has a maximum AH rating then it's probably best to limit that to 50% with LFP, so if your charger has a maximum AH of 200Ah with lead acid then don't go above a 100Ah lithium. If there's no max Ah rating then the charger is probably continuously rated and theoretically you can connect anything to it.
Watch out for standard blade fuses carrying over 15A, they can get hot and melt especially as the current being carried gets close to the fuse's value, this is particularly important when charging LFP with an existing lead acid charger because as mentioned the charger's full current delivery could go on for longer meaning more heat developing.
 
Smart chargers top at 14.4v before falling back to 13.6/7 ish, old type constant chargers have been known to hit 15v, not a good idea to be using these old crocks.
 
old type constant chargers have been known to hit 15v
You mean the old fashioned transformer/ rectifier dumb chargers Trev?
Used one myself overnight last night on my dumper actually, battery is half knackered and thought I'd give it a 15volt desulphation/ kick up the arse phase😁
 
You mean the old fashioned transformer/ rectifier dumb chargers Trev?
Used one myself overnight last night on my dumper actually, battery is half knackered and thought I'd give it a 15volt desulphation/ kick up the arse phase😁
Thats them , the old battery boilers. 😂
 
Of course, in the days of wet lead acid, battery boilers were pretty good.
If you charged it until all the cells are bubbling, and for an hour or two longer, you knew all the cells are fully charged and balanced.
Top up the distilled water and no harm was done.
Then came SLA, where it was hard to get the tops off the cells, but it was still possible.
Followed by VR SLA, where prising open the cells was akin to letting out the magic smoke.
 
Of course, in the days of wet lead acid, battery boilers were pretty good.
If you charged it until all the cells are bubbling, and for an hour or two longer, you knew all the cells are fully charged and balanced.
Top up the distilled water and no harm was done.
Then came SLA, where it was hard to get the tops off the cells, but it was still possible.
Followed by VR SLA, where prising open the cells was akin to letting out the magic smoke.
A very positive post all laid out on a plate, the acid test is how many people think this is a negitive post. 😂
 
A very positive post all laid out on a plate, the acid test is how many people think this is a negitive post. 😂
A bit of both, really.
The way to revive dead batteries used to be to string them all together in series and trickle charge them with a current-limited charger for a very long time
 
The fact that there's no accepted and proven way of reviving a knackered lead acid battery proves that all the methods touted as being able to do so is almost certainly nonsense. Equaliser chargers, magic tablets, pulse chargers, high frequency oscillators, smart chargers etc etc offer little or no benefit and the very best way of keeping your lead acid battery working for as long as possible is keep it fully charged and floated at the correct voltage while it's sitting idle and prevent the damage occurring in the first place.
 
A very positive post all laid out on a plate, the acid test is how many people think this is a negitive post. 😂
The Acid Test beloved by Bankers and Accountants is the ability of a business to meet its current liabilities using only its cash and debtors, ignoring stock and work-in-progress, Trev; like a battery, if the ratio is negative, the outcome is often terminal - but feel free to *refuse* to believe me ... :ROFLMAO: I'll get my gel coat ...

Steve
 
I wouldn't buy the Temu batteries. Not because I have information or even doubt about the quality (I have no idea about Lithium) but because it's Temu! I asked myself how they can do items so cheap so I checked and found that the reason things are so cheap, they just want your details! The are getting your bank details, you name and address so it would be easy to find out all they want. Yes of course, any company can use your data, but we have had two cards cloned, so I only ever pay with Google Pay. I also just do not trust the Chinese to be responsible.
 
I wouldn't buy the Temu batteries. Not because I have information or even doubt about the quality (I have no idea about Lithium) but because it's Temu! I asked myself how they can do items so cheap so I checked and found that the reason things are so cheap, they just want your details! The are getting your bank details, you name and address so it would be easy to find out all they want. Yes of course, any company can use your data, but we have had two cards cloned, so I only ever pay with Google Pay. I also just do not trust the Chinese to be responsible.
Google is also grabbing you details and anything else you do esp on a windows pc or android mobile, yes they sell it all on.
Always use a top secure browser and vpn, brave firefox or vivaldi.
 
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Google is also grabbing you details and anything else you do esp on a windows pc or android mobile, yes they sell it all on.
Always use a top secure browser and vpn, brave firefox or vivaldi.
Between Temu and Google? Google every time! At least they are governed unlike Temu!
 
I wouldn't buy the Temu batteries. Not because I have information or even doubt about the quality (I have no idea about Lithium) but because it's Temu! I asked myself how they can do items so cheap so I checked and found that the reason things are so cheap, they just want your details! The are getting your bank details, you name and address so it would be easy to find out all they want. Yes of course, any company can use your data, but we have had two cards cloned, so I only ever pay with Google Pay. I also just do not trust the Chinese to be responsible.
I love a well researched fact based helpful post🤣🤣
 
How about this
UK company (apparently?)
You can also buy them through Temu but they cost twice as much there (obviously Temu not so bothered about your data on this purchase)
First time I've actually seen a company stating what I've been banging on about for ages, ie you don't need a special mains charger for Lifepo4, use am ordinary lead acid charger with absorbtion and float settings and don't leave it floating for ages.
 
Between Temu and Google? Google every time! At least they are governed unlike Temu!
You think so. :unsure:
Fact is many on line sites grab details, just went to look at martin lewis show about power of eterny, web page wanted all my details including my pictures folder and what im looking at and buying on my search engine, well me no open te he.
 

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