1970s bylaw used to ban camping in lake District.

barryd said:
I notice its made a few of the local rags but if you want to have your say, this is probably the best place. Its a Facebook link with about 70 comments so far.

https://www.facebook.com/lakedistrictnationalpark/photos/a.10150255548075221/10164224400840221
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"""""Heather Turner Let’s distinguish between wild camping (leaving no trace, up in the fells) and FLY CAMPING (camper-vanning in lay-bys, car parks, on lake shores, river banks etc...)""""

Above comment onFacebook link is saying tents are ok up in the wilds of the Lake District but Fly Camping "yes thats motorhomes new name"needs to be stamped out. Is she using the similarity in the term FLY to Flytipping? There is a difference between responsible WildCampers (including the thousands on this forum) who never leave a trace and the new Covidiot probably Tents and new Camper/motorhomes owners who dont give a toss. There are also many car daytripper Covidiots who are dumping their rubbish and disappearing home. I live on the main Road into Skegness and I have a small layby outside my Bungalow.We have to cone it off on busy days as we always get the ones that stop and lob their wet wipes and dirty nappies and other rubbish under our front hedge.This is what is happening in the national parks now as after only a few months lockdown the idiots who are rushing to these beauty spots now they are released out of their homes(prison cage lol)and are going crazy doing unrepairable damage to the said beauty spots and National Parks.The shame now is the really responsible Wildcampers like us are getting tarred with the same brush as these morons.And the Police have better things to do than to eveict a young family at midnight when they could tell them to leave early the following morning.
 
Val54 said:
Er, they had his name and vehicle reg, so he could expect a fine through the post if he was recorded the following night anywhere in the NP .......... 🙄
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Does this apply to all lawbreakers. I saw you burgling that house. I’ll take your name and if you do it again.....
 
barryd said:
Yes I think you might have (missed something). On what planet is it a good use of an already stretched police force to go out traumatising families in campervans in the middle of the night and driving them out of the county?

The problem is with Covidiots not with motorhomers. The Police should have the sense to be able to distinguish between the two. Unless of course as suggested earlier on this has nothing to do with protecting the environment and its trickled down from those with a vested interest in campsites.
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As previous response. Who are we to decide what priorities the police apply to illegal activities
 
I'm sure I can't be the only one whose parked up in a car park in the sticks and seen someone pass in a car and look, and you know you are about to see a police car shortly. Sure enough it cruises by or parks a little away from you while he does his checks before driving off. No fuss, no hassle. I've only once had them come and talk to me and that was in Norfolk. I parked up, had the passing car and then the police car. He asked me if I was planning on staying the night and immediately said it wasn't a problem but I should steer clear of somewhere else in the County as they had a traveller problem. I did ask if I was on private land and he said he'd clear it with the owner. They must be made of nastier stuff elsewhere.
 
If you dont open the door how on earth do they knows some one is inside,it could easy be a brake down left for the night.
 
barryd said:
This has really got my dander up. The copper states they have been having problems with yobs in tents making a mess. Oh really! so go and move on some respectable bloke on his own in a tidy little campervan quietly parked up for the night and traumatise a family next door doing the same. ****! I wonder how many groups of morons in tents they did the same to that night. None I suspect.

I know that spot well and all the others along Crummock water to Buttermere. We have had similar issues with morons here since the restrictions were lifted but this is just fcuking ridiculous! Target the morons, not those that are peacefully parking up in a remote spot for the night. Chances are if he had knocked on my door I would have been full of Vino anyway. Is he going to make me drive home then?

Someone on the comments of the youtube video said Lake District national park only owns about 4% of the land which I find very hard to believe but it might be worth looking into. I would love for someone to find a loophole in this. Meanwhile I will visit the lakes for a day as I only live 45 minutes from Ullswater but I wont bother going there in the van spending money if this is their attitude.
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Pretty normal procedure, invent a crime, search for the guilty, punish the innocent!
 
If anyone is interested a trawl through the comments on the "perpetrator's" facebook blog is having the effect of putting people off visiting the Lakes ........
 
barryd said:
Bloody hell! Its true. National Park only owns 4 percent of the lake district.

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Who owns National Parks?
Our model for running a national park is not based on public ownership and people are often surprised to learn the National Park Authority owns less than four per cent of land in the Lake District. The rest is owned by organisations such as the National Trust, United Utilities, Forestry Commission and other private landowners."

www.lakedistrict.gov.uk

History of the National Park

What, where, who and how UK National Parks came into existence.
www.lakedistrict.gov.uk www.lakedistrict.gov.uk
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The copper clearly states that the bylaw comes from the National Parks Authority so the question is, was this guy parked on their land or not? Which bits come under their authority then?

Some investigative work required here I think.
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Key question, do they have power over highways that overrides normal road traffic regulations?
 
Val54 said:
Clearly you subscribe to the "heavy handed approach", fair enough each to their own.
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You haven’t answered the question. Does the take a name apply to all crimes or just ones you don’t llke?
 
Most of this crap would not have happened had the small matter of the entire population being put under house arrest for a few months. Everybody has to have a kick against the reins sometime. All a political move.
 
sparrks said:
If I'm driving I have a legal responsabilty to pull over and take a nap until it's safe to do so, if I do that in the LDNP then I can expect to be fined £500.
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So in theory If in the lake District and one becomes tired one cannot pull over and sleep you have to keep driving until you fall asleep at the wheel and kill yourself and your passengers or you kill yourself passengers and another party passing you.Maybe this needs putting to the Cumbria Police to comment.Anyone care to contact the Police with this question and to see what their reply would be?
 
phase3begins said:
As previous response. Who are we to decide what priorities the police apply to illegal activities
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Would you happen to have any affiliations at all with the police? Everybody knows the police prioritise crime. I dare bet that somewhere in Cumbria someone was broken into and the only response from the police was to receive a crime number. Well to me and no doubt whoever was broken into that night it would be higher priority than moving vans parked at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere that were bothering no one. These orders come from above so there is a agenda somewhere along the line.
 
Mobilvetta said:
Just seen this blog from someone who was sleeping in there motorhome in a layby in the lake District national park yesterday, apparently the lake District national park authority along with the police are now enforcing a no camping bylaw that was introduced in 1970 but has never been enforced before.

It seems the police officers from 4.00pm were going around moving camper vans off, this man was woken up at 11.30 pm and given the option to move or face a £500 fine, it has been brought about by campers who have been littering the lake District with there tents and human waste. Shame as I love the lake District, I am Lucy enough to have a use of a boat berthed in Windermere to be able to stop in that.

Here is the link to the blogg were he has actually recorded the conversation with the police officer.

I would be interested if any members could dig up this bylaw back from the 1970s or could suggest how you would go about it, seems again people who are self contained in there motorhomes are been penalised.
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I think this bylaw applies in all National Parks with, for some reason, the possible exception of Dartmoor. Even in Germany which is very campervan friendly they have a similar rule in their National Parks.
 
Fazerloz said:
Would you happen to have any affiliations at all with the police? Everybody knows the police prioritise crime. I dare bet that somewhere in Cumbria someone was broken into and the only response from the police was to receive a crime number. Well to me and no doubt whoever was broken into that night it would be higher priority than moving vans parked at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere that were bothering no one. These orders come from above so there is a agenda somewhere along the line.
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No affiliation whatsoever.
 
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