1970s bylaw used to ban camping in lake District.

[mariesnowgoose]

Unfortunately I concur with your sentiments 100% Barry.

I doubt whether common sense will ever prevail.

Local authorities are generally too slow and beaurocratic to respond with any sensible solutions to the problem in the short to medium term - or even in the longer term! Plus (in my experience) they generally have little understanding of what it's like to actually operate a business in the real world.

And the police have no vested business interests either way.

It's local businesses who will lose out in the long run.

 

[Fazerloz]

Spot on. Its not just NP areas by the looks of it. Its happening everywhere. Its an ideal opportunity for those with a vested interest to outlaw wild camping. Covid and the Covidiots have handed them that on a plate.

They are too dense to realise it will drive people like us that respect the countryside and have plenty of disposable cash to spend away whilst the morons that just want to party will just carry on regardless. It would be very interesting to see as time goes on the statistics as to who has been fined or moved on. Civilised motorhomers parked in easy to get to areas will be an easy target for the rozzers.

It just makes my blood boil. When the travel restrictions were lifted we had hordes of morons partying on our beauty spots here and causing havoc. Did they fine them or turn them around? Nope! We even had to call the Army in at Richmond Falls but still they were allowed to come and still do everytime its good weather. But we cant sleep in a van on a remote hill top. ****! Jeeesaz! Soon as I get a new van Im off to France. feck em!

These days it does't even need to be a prolonged effort by authorities , give a few fines out and move a few along and let social media do the rest of the work.

 

[Val54]

Spot on. Its not just NP areas by the looks of it. Its happening everywhere. Its an ideal opportunity for those with a vested interest to outlaw wild camping. Covid and the Covidiots have handed them that on a plate.

They are too dense to realise it will drive people like us that respect the countryside and have plenty of disposable cash to spend away whilst the morons that just want to party will just carry on regardless. It would be very interesting to see as time goes on the statistics as to who has been fined or moved on. Civilised motorhomers parked in easy to get to areas will be an easy target for the rozzers.

It just makes my blood boil. When the travel restrictions were lifted we had hordes of morons partying on our beauty spots here and causing havoc. Did they fine them or turn them around? Nope! We even had to call the Army in at Richmond Falls but still they were allowed to come and still do everytime its good weather. But we cant sleep in a van on a remote hill top. ****! Jeeesaz! Soon as I get a new van Im off to France. feck em!

2021 ferry booked

 

[runnach]

Barry money how much you choose to spend has nothing to do with it, our pastime as well as responsible tenters pastime has been hi jacked by the festival tent / white lightning brigade

What is happening is nigh on identical to how the New Age traveller brigade were high jacked and tainted for ever.

The NATs came about as legacy from harsh economic times unemployment many adopting vehicle use as to ensure a roof over their heads, because money was tight the idea of free concerts came about, the original ones at Windsor queens back garden there were no issues,,,then the settled lot hijacked with techno and illegal raves in the end NATs unwelcome at Glastonbury even . They became the enemy within and police tactics were used that employed lies and harassment ,,,,the peace convoy ov 86 a good example travellers herded to lay-bys and rebased two vehicles at a time to break their ranks......Stonehenge prevented by the police from attending on foot. Of course the powers behind it wasn’t really the police they were simply commissioned to do the dirty work

The dirty campers have hi jacked , as Fazerloz suggested the authorities are dealing with everyone to remind us of our pecking order blind eyes in the past are in the spotlight,,,,history is repeating itself nothing to do with cash or your social standing

 

[Nabsim]

I am just surprised that people on here seem to think the police always obey the law. I posted on here just into lockdown where everyone was told to stay exactly where they were. Police accompanied council officials and moved everyone off the drove with threats of arrest and vehicles (homes) being impounded.
All through that lockdown periods lots of van dwellers have been constantly moved on (illegally) under threat by the police.
If you need any further proof of how much police and councils care about law google battle of the beanfield.
The police as a body will work for the rich don’t think otherwise

 

[mistericeman]

Barry money how much you choose to spend has nothing to do with it, our pastime as well as responsible tenters pastime has been hi jacked by the festival tent / white lightning brigade

What is happening is nigh on identical to how the New Age traveller brigade were high jacked and tainted for ever.

The NATs came about as legacy from harsh economic times unemployment many adopting vehicle use as to ensure a roof over their heads, because money was tight the idea of free concerts came about, the original ones at Windsor queens back garden there were no issues,,,then the settled lot hijacked with techno and illegal raves in the end NATs unwelcome at Glastonbury even . They became the enemy within and police tactics were used that employed lies and harassment ,,,,the peace convoy ov 86 a good example travellers herded to lay-bys and rebased two vehicles at a time to break their ranks......Stonehenge prevented by the police from attending on foot. Of course the powers behind it wasn’t really the police they were simply commissioned to do the dirty work

The dirty campers have hi jacked , as Fazerloz suggested the authorities are dealing with everyone to remind us of our pecking order blind eyes in the past are in the spotlight,,,,history is repeating itself nothing to do with cash or your social standing

The rot started with Halfords and Arsegos selling tents....

Pre that it was only hardy determined types with a general desire to be outdoors that bothered...

Sadly now £20 buys you a tent that, is so cheap the idiots don't even care about taking them home after drinking enough to sink a battleship and leaving all their detritus behind.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

LOL! I Was watching Fawlty Towers last night. Must have been where it came from!

I have just emailed the Lake District National park asking for more info on this bylaw and how they can enforce it when they only own four percent of the land.

Found this re wildcamping in the National Park

Wild camping

Wild camping is technically not permitted anywhere in the Lake District without prior permission from the landowner. As the National Park Authority we do not have the power to allow camping on private land and we do not permit camping on the small amount of land that we own. Camping in car parks...

www.lakedistrict.gov.uk

It states this.

" Wild camping is not permitted anywhere in the Lake District without prior permission from the landowner. As the National Park Authority we do not have the power to allow camping on private land and we do not permit camping on the small amount of land that we own. Camping in car parks or on roadside verges is not allowed at any time. "

So can you assume then if they do not have the power to allow wild camping on private land they also do not have any power at all over that land?

Will be interesting to see if I get a reply. I was fairly sympathetic as there clearly is a problem with morons but they are targeting the wrong people.

When I used to backpack and Wild camp in the Lake district, it was considered acceptable to camp above the last wall or above 1000ft and that is what people did. The National trust and Landowners were happy with this agreement.

 

[trevskoda]

I am just surprised that people on here seem to think the police always obey the law. I posted on here just into lockdown where everyone was told to stay exactly where they were. Police accompanied council officials and moved everyone off the drove with threats of arrest and vehicles (homes) being impounded.
All through that lockdown periods lots of van dwellers have been constantly moved on (illegally) under threat by the police.
If you need any further proof of how much police and councils care about law google battle of the beanfield.
The police as a body will work for the rich don’t think otherwise

Correct,police here used to have to much or tried to be like ss storm troopers,20 odd years of troubles and folk getting there rights back was a hard struggle,now police dont bother with minor infringements and get on with proper policing ,councils dont realy bother with folk staying in car parks with signs stating no campervans tents or barbies,in fact some now have tables with seats for having a good day/night out in the open.
Fact is when you restrict or lock folk up they go bonkers to the point of riots shootings and bombs,give them party hats booze and fresh air they settle down.

 

[runnach]

I am just surprised that people on here seem to think the police always obey the law. I posted on here just into lockdown where everyone was told to stay exactly where they were. Police accompanied council officials and moved everyone off the drove with threats of arrest and vehicles (homes) being impounded.
All through that lockdown periods lots of van dwellers have been constantly moved on (illegally) under threat by the police.
If you need any further proof of how much police and councils care about law google battle of the beanfield.
The police as a body will work for the rich don’t think otherwise

Exactly, I’m not into conspiracy theories as such but uncanny the similarities hence my reference to the New Age traveller types...300 on foot vehicles had been impounded were prevented from attending the solstice at Stonehenge why ? A place for some of legitimate worship , would a trip by foot to Canterbury cathedral attracted the same drama?

I re iterate for the sake of clarity the police are carrying out the dirty work at the bequest of whom my thoughts would soon see this thread confined to current affairs and that is not my wish

As for legality though the miners at orgreave, travellers prevented from attending Appleby horse fair the tactics employed questionable other than designed to put the rank and file in their place

Some here have made it abundantly clear they have issues with travellers but that is not the point, the point is the oppression of freedom the same as our freedom to enjoy a peaceful pastime is being oppressed

 

[mickymost]

Spot on. Its not just NP areas by the looks of it. Its happening everywhere. Its an ideal opportunity for those with a vested interest to outlaw wild camping. Covid and the Covidiots have handed them that on a plate.

They are too dense to realise it will drive people like us that respect the countryside and have plenty of disposable cash to spend away whilst the morons that just want to party will just carry on regardless. It would be very interesting to see as time goes on the statistics as to who has been fined or moved on. Civilised motorhomers parked in easy to get to areas will be an easy target for the rozzers.

It just makes my blood boil. When the travel restrictions were lifted we had hordes of morons partying on our beauty spots here and causing havoc. Did they fine them or turn them around? Nope! We even had to call the Army in at Richmond Falls but still they were allowed to come and still do everytime its good weather. But we cant sleep in a van on a remote hill top. ****! Jeeesaz! Soon as I get a new van Im off to France. feck em!

France wouldnt be my choice but I see where you are coming from.Just make sure Covid19 isnt spiking again when you depart

 

[Deleted member 34243]

It certainly doesn't appear to be part of the maintained highway, so could well be within the scope of the bylaw, its just ridiculous and heavy handed that the police didn't just tell him to move off early morning and that they would be checking.

Yep, that would stop illegal overnighting. ‘Good evening, please leave tomorrow‘

 

[Deleted member 34243]

Or better still, just go round early morning when its light. Or even better just go and do some actual proper police work and tell the NPA to get stuffed.

I always love that ‘do some actual police work...’ it seems to mean ‘let me break the rules but punish someone else’. Have I missed something?

 

[GWAYGWAY]

How about this tactic.

"Sorry, occifer but my driving time is up quarter of an hour ago and I need 12 hours rest time before going on"
I think you might hear the local plod's brain whirring at that one as he doesn't actually know very much traffic law.

 

[runnach]

I always love that ‘do some actual police work...’ it seems to mean ‘let me break the rules but punish someone else’. Have I missed something?

A timely opportunity to remind people the law is as it is, not necessarily how we would like it to be ? Including some of those tasked to enforce and administer, change will only come about at the ballot box as things stand

 

[barryd]

I always love that ‘do some actual police work...’ it seems to mean ‘let me break the rules but punish someone else’. Have I missed something?

Yes I think you might have (missed something). On what planet is it a good use of an already stretched police force to go out traumatising families in campervans in the middle of the night and driving them out of the county?

The problem is with Covidiots not with motorhomers. The Police should have the sense to be able to distinguish between the two. Unless of course as suggested earlier on this has nothing to do with protecting the environment and its trickled down from those with a vested interest in campsites.

 

[Fazerloz]

I always love that ‘do some actual police work...’ it seems to mean ‘let me break the rules but punish someone else’. Have I missed something?

I would have thought it meant as all Police forces constantly cry for more resources. The use of police to follow a NP ranger all shift to awaken and move on families at midnight not the best use of said resources, unless that is there is nothing of more a priority going on in the Cumbria region. IF that is the case then the good people of Cumbria should be very happy.

 

[antiquesam]

The police don't always only serve the wealthy. A driver I worked with had a delivery to a Tesco distribution centre. He arrived at the appointed time and was left for six hours before being directed to an unloading bay only to be left again. When his hours ran out he closed the curtains and turned in. Tesco management went into one and insisted he move, which he refused to do. The police were called and the driver explained the situation. The result was Tesco were told he stays for his eleven hour break and that the bays on either side of him must be closed.

 

[trevskoda]

Police here have more to sort out with drug dealers gun men or hoods as we call them,house break ins,car jacking rtc than to worry about some good sod have a snooze in a van.
On going through england one thing i found was to many nosey finger waging know it alls and over the top police ,the good folk over there must have a bad time trying to cope with the likes,if you wish a softer life style then a welcome is here for you to retire in peace,ps houses are far cheaper to buy.

 

[barryd]

I notice its made a few of the local rags but if you want to have your say, this is probably the best place. Its a Facebook link with about 70 comments so far.

https://www.facebook.com/lakedistrictnationalpark/photos/a.10150255548075221/10164224400840221

 

[Val54]

Yep, that would stop illegal overnighting. ‘Good evening, please leave tomorrow‘

Er, they had his name and vehicle reg, so he could expect a fine through the post if he was recorded the following night anywhere in the NP ..........