1970s bylaw used to ban camping in lake District.
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Fazerloz
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Personally i think this is the Police working beyond their actual powers which is not unheard of and relying on the threat of a fine/PCN or issuing the fine/PCN and people paying and not challenging the fine/PCN. Surely these are Civil infringements and should not be enforced by the Police.
barryd
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LOL! I Was watching Fawlty Towers last night. Must have been where it came from!
I have just emailed the Lake District National park asking for more info on this bylaw and how they can enforce it when they only own four percent of the land.
Found this re wildcamping in the National Park
www.lakedistrict.gov.uk
It states this.
" Wild camping is not permitted anywhere in the Lake District without prior permission from the landowner. As the National Park Authority we do not have the power to allow camping on private land and we do not permit camping on the small amount of land that we own. Camping in car parks or on roadside verges is not allowed at any time. "
So can you assume then if they do not have the power to allow wild camping on private land they also do not have any power at all over that land?
Will be interesting to see if I get a reply. I was fairly sympathetic as there clearly is a problem with morons but they are targeting the wrong people.
I have just emailed the Lake District National park asking for more info on this bylaw and how they can enforce it when they only own four percent of the land.
Found this re wildcamping in the National Park
Wild camping
Wild camping is technically not permitted anywhere in the Lake District without prior permission from the landowner. As the National Park Authority we do not have the power to allow camping on private land and we do not permit camping on the small amount of land that we own. Camping in car parks...
It states this.
" Wild camping is not permitted anywhere in the Lake District without prior permission from the landowner. As the National Park Authority we do not have the power to allow camping on private land and we do not permit camping on the small amount of land that we own. Camping in car parks or on roadside verges is not allowed at any time. "
So can you assume then if they do not have the power to allow wild camping on private land they also do not have any power at all over that land?
Will be interesting to see if I get a reply. I was fairly sympathetic as there clearly is a problem with morons but they are targeting the wrong people.
jagmanx
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What is sauce for the Gander/Dander..
Is Orange for the Duck/Guck
I want to fly to Newfoundland but cannot go to Gander
Now that has got my Dander up !
Maybe tyr Goose Bay ? or Rhoose Airport !
Val54
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The NPA's were created to protect the environment and just like any local authority, they don't have to own the land to exercise the powers granted to them by an Act of Parliament, the land just has to be within their designated boundary. So it doesn't matter whether they or the National Trust or a private individual owns the land, the bylaws apply just the same. As for Police involvement, as in Wales, the NPA's asked for assistance as they hadn't got the manpower to deal with the problems. I don't think the Police are precluded from helping a local authority whether it starts as a potential civil matter or not, I'm sure the local residents are quite happy for them to be involved.
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I wouldnt even bother visiting for a day.If youre not welcome then Fcuk em.All the tourist businesses will loose out if everyone didnt bother going there.As you say this is stemming from Yobbos in tents THEY are the ones needing a kick up the Ass!
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I agree if these are parked on the Public road layby then its not illegal in any way,but if the Police were to enforce the law then probably a civil case, providing you werent causing an obstruction where you had parked.
So Well who wants to volunteer to park up in The Lake District probably next weekend would be a good test and then challenge the power of the Policeperson who will come banging on your door,any takers?
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Its kind of personal to me though. The Lakes has always been a second home to me. I had boats there for years both on Windermere and Ullswater. I had a lot of friends there with businesses and I must have put tens of thousands of pounds into the economy over the years. I am torn as dont want to see these businesses suffer but when I see stuff like this it just makes me furious. Its like when they put the speed limit on Windermere. It knocked a lot of business owners around the lake for six. Nobody wanted it and it was totally unnecessary to apply it to the whole lake. This is the fecking same! Just needs a bit of common sense. On what planet is it ok to send the police up to a remote mountain top pass in the middle of the night to frighten the bejeezas out of families and make them upsticks and get out of the county?
Its a pity the guy in the video didnt just head west a few miles. The National park doesnt stretch much further west of Crummock water I believe. Mind you he probably just thought Feck em!
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According to that wild camping link I posted above from the NPA you cant park on the roadside or laybys either. That stop over in the video could well be classed as a layby I guess.
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It certainly doesn't appear to be part of the maintained highway, so could well be within the scope of the bylaw, its just ridiculous and heavy handed that the police didn't just tell him to move off early morning and that they would be checking.
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Or better still, just go round early morning when its light. Or even better just go and do some actual proper police work and tell the NPA to get stuffed.
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Surely it is "Proper police work" when they have been requested to attend.
The police don't make the laws they only enforce them.
Obviously the LDNP have been forced into a corner by the actions of the usual selfish bell ends and decided to act with a blanket heavy hand...
Possibly things will return in time to a blind eye being turned, or possibly it won't.
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A little while ago Cumbria said they didn't want visitors but also said the tourist businesses were going broke and called for a Government handout. They can't have it both ways. On my little adventures, when my darling wife permits me to go by myself, I tend to gravitate towards the Lakes, but perhaps they can forgo the pleasure of my money's company next March.
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The LDNP might not have been forced into a corner but found this strange moment in time as a ideal opportunity to do something they have wanted to do for a lot of years. Just like other NP areas have and have only now been been able to get police backing. As for police only enforcing the law stop making me laugh, next you will be telling me they never work outside their remit.
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It's a knee-jerk heavy-handed reaction to a situation that has arisen as a result of C-19.
It makes no sense. It's an overuse of authority and is merely a sticking plaster, doing nothing to address the bad behaviour that has caused this type of policing in the first place.
Using a (bloody lazy!) sledgehammer to crack a nut and, imho, going about resolving the problem totally erse about face.
Businesses are already suffering and will continue to suffer. If we're expected to do our civic duty and get back out there to try and shore up our f*kd economy then they really need to address the problems at source instead of always taking the punitive route - and the wrong type of punitive route at that. All it does is send out a signal that no one is wanted in that locality, whether they're well behaved or not.
They should concentrate less on who's parking up and in what type of vehicle and concentrate first on catching the dirty anti-social and ignorant offenders who turn up in all types of transport and muck it up for everyone else. They should be the ones receiving the £500 fines.
It makes no sense. It's an overuse of authority and is merely a sticking plaster, doing nothing to address the bad behaviour that has caused this type of policing in the first place.
Using a (bloody lazy!) sledgehammer to crack a nut and, imho, going about resolving the problem totally erse about face.
Businesses are already suffering and will continue to suffer. If we're expected to do our civic duty and get back out there to try and shore up our f*kd economy then they really need to address the problems at source instead of always taking the punitive route - and the wrong type of punitive route at that. All it does is send out a signal that no one is wanted in that locality, whether they're well behaved or not.
They should concentrate less on who's parking up and in what type of vehicle and concentrate first on catching the dirty anti-social and ignorant offenders who turn up in all types of transport and muck it up for everyone else. They should be the ones receiving the £500 fines.
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No, they weren't. They were being jobsworths, imho.
Path of least resistance and lazy policing. I think pressure needs to be applied to local authorities and the police to start addressing the actual problematic behaviour that has caused this type of OTT response in the first place.
Or we can just sit back and let the economy suffer even more and not bother going anywhere.
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Spot on. Its not just NP areas by the looks of it. Its happening everywhere. Its an ideal opportunity for those with a vested interest to outlaw wild camping. Covid and the Covidiots have handed them that on a plate.
They are too dense to realise it will drive people like us that respect the countryside and have plenty of disposable cash to spend away whilst the morons that just want to party will just carry on regardless. It would be very interesting to see as time goes on the statistics as to who has been fined or moved on. Civilised motorhomers parked in easy to get to areas will be an easy target for the rozzers.
It just makes my blood boil. When the travel restrictions were lifted we had hordes of morons partying on our beauty spots here and causing havoc. Did they fine them or turn them around? Nope! We even had to call the Army in at Richmond Falls but still they were allowed to come and still do everytime its good weather. But we cant sleep in a van on a remote hill top. ****! Jeeesaz! Soon as I get a new van Im off to France. feck em!