£38.60 a night

Who are they not sustainable for?

I honestly don't see a slow down or a reversal in the price of energy, but on the other hand I haven't noticed any particularly heavy cutting back in spending on heating, or in general spending for a certain section of the population. Not yet anyway (I include some of my friends in that statement). Other friends who are not so well off are sitting in their freezing cold houses muffled up to the eyeballs with all kinds extra clothing etc. They're not complaining though, just getting on with it like most people do.

The energy costs certainly won't be sustainable for some businesses, many of which have already gone bust, or will be going bust this year. And it's pretty dire for those households on low incomes, but I doubt whether it will be noticed all that much by some households, despite all the hoo-ha.

This is still a wealthy country and there's a lot of money still being earned in certain sectors, and we have a lot of comfortably off pensioners (a fair few use this forum). Cafes and coffee shops are booming like nobody's business and the odd trip I have made lately to local large retail parks (Yuk! Hate shopping) you were very hard pushed to find a parking spot. But there's a lot of high streets in some parts of the country starting to look very gappy, like a mouthful of teeth but with more and more teeth going missing. Especially up here in the North East, but then we've always suffered here more than most in an economic downturn 🤷‍♀️
Marie I am heating my home to 17c right now and my gas bill last month was £297. We normally set it to 19c, if I had left it to this it could have been £350 . And that with the government subsidy. Without that my bill would have been about £500. And add to that the leccy at £100. It’s not sustainable for most people. Inc this poor auld pensioner. :(
 
I've only recently joined the ranks of 'state pensioner' and the benefits it accrues, add in the state aid for energy bills and I've never had it so good!
Last week I paid my electric provider £16, the first payment I've made in months, if I take into account the £500 I was given for winter fuel, then so far this winter I've not paid a penny for heating our house, if I've done my sums correctly I'll not start paying to heat the house until March! The only cost saving measures we've taken have been to switch off lights in rooms when we leave them, house is just as warm as normal, well gf is always complaining of being too hot, and I complain of my hands being cold, so that's as best balance we'll get on heat.
 
I keep seeing this type of post I live in a 3 bedroom house totally all Electric 6 Electric rads on 07.30 - 22.00 all set to 20° At the coldest temp this winter it was £17.70 normal average is £8 - £10 a day thats cooking washer/dryer when needed. How can EHU cost more and not be a Rip Off

I've just been trying to work if out for what we are using right now in the van. We have not been out today which to be fair is unusual but it's cold and very wet. I've had the 2kw heater on all day to keep the van at around 20c. Average rate domestic is now 34p so over 15 hours say that's over £10. If they are paying business rates for electric which I think is 66p it's over £19 for 15 hours heating if I've got that right.

Even if CL sites are using a domestic tariff once the discount has gone and the prices also rise EHU is going to have to see a phenomenal hike in price. Maybe £30-£40 a day.

If campsites are on the commercial rates it will be even more.
 
I've just been trying to work if out for what we are using right now in the van. We have not been out today which to be fair is unusual but it's cold and very wet. I've had the 2kw heater on all day to keep the van at around 20c. Average rate domestic is now 34p so over 15 hours say that's over £10. If they are paying business rates for electric which I think is 66p it's over £19 for 15 hours heating if I've got that right.
Is the heater staying on constant, or switching on and off with thermostat? That sounds like a lot of heat input even in an older Kontiki.
 
Were did you read this, or do you mean gas and electric. Most analysts reckon in 2024 Things will start to return to normal

But no one is 100%, it depends greatly on what's happening in Ukraine, and elsewhere.

But what on earth makes you think these prices are sustainable forever.
As you have now added to this post, It will be the normal in 2024. There is only one thing that may bring down prices slightly and that is a Government short term giveaway for a upcoming General election.
 
I've just booked a weekend near Cheddar. £44 per night :rolleyes: They charge per person, not per pitch. Lucky there are only 3 of us....
 
As you have now added to this post, It will be the normal in 2024. There is only one thing that may bring down prices slightly and that is a Government short term giveaway for a upcoming General election.
Perhaps you should read this then.
The wholesale price of Gas has fallen by more than 50% taking it below the government subsidy level by £200 PA saving the country billions.
I knew that gas prices had fallen but not by so much.
As I said current prices are not sustainable, and there is no shortage of gas worldwide.
We won't start to see a drop in prices though till the second half of 2023, but most analyst predict that prices will continue to fall.
The main reason for the price hikes in Europe had nothing to do with the worldwide markets.
This crisis was brought about by our reliance on Russian gas.
That reliance has finished with the continent acquiring gas from elsewhere.
I don't think we will get back to were we were, but by 2024 there should be no more need for government help, with prices around 25% higher than pre the Ukraine war being very much the norm. This is due to gas from other sources being more expensive, due to transport costs.


Wholesale gas prices have fallen to their lowest level since February 2022, partly driven by mild weather and an increase in the amount of gas stored in Europe.


Recent mild weather means many households have switched off the heating, helping to maintain energy supplies at storage facilities. Europe has also succeeded in sourcing gas from around the world and filling its storage facilities to reduce dependence on Russian gas.

The wholesale price of energy helps to determine the energy price cap set by the regulator Ofgem. Throughout 2022 we saw wholesale prices soar amid the war in Ukraine.

Falling wholesale energy prices are also behind the latest forecasts by Cornwall Insight which show a typical household's energy bills will be around £2,800 from July 2023 onwards. That's £200 below April's Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) rate of £3,000.


 
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Falling wholesale energy prices are also behind the latest forecasts by Cornwall Insight which show a typical household's energy bills will be around £2,800 from July 2023 onwards. That's £200 below April's Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) rate of £3,000.

Yes, but what was the typical household energy bill before all the energy the furore started and this 'Energy Price Guarantee' malarky reared it's nasty head?

Or do we conveniently ignore all that has gone immediately before these new prices arose and suck it up like good little citizens? ;) :cool:

Do you know what the percentage increase has been for the 'typical household energy bill' over the last couple of years?
 
Perhaps you should read this then.
The wholesale price of Gas has fallen by more than 50% taking it below the government subsidy level by £200 PA saving the country billions.
I knew that gas prices had fallen but not by so much.
As I said current prices are not sustainable, and there is no shortage of gas worldwide.
We won't start to see a drop in prices though till the second half of 2023, but most analyst predict that prices will continue to fall.
The main reason for the price hikes in Europe had nothing to do with the worldwide markets.
This crisis was brought about by our reliance on Russian gas.
That reliance has finished with the continent acquiring gas from elsewhere.
I don't think we will get back to were we were, but by 2024 there should be no more need for government help, with prices around 25% higher than pre the Ukraine war being very much the norm. This is due to gas from other sources being more expensive, due to transport costs.


Wholesale gas prices have fallen to their lowest level since February 2022, partly driven by mild weather and an increase in the amount of gas stored in Europe.


Recent mild weather means many households have switched off the heating, helping to maintain energy supplies at storage facilities. Europe has also succeeded in sourcing gas from around the world and filling its storage facilities to reduce dependence on Russian gas.

The wholesale price of energy helps to determine the energy price cap set by the regulator Ofgem. Throughout 2022 we saw wholesale prices soar amid the war in Ukraine.

Falling wholesale energy prices are also behind the latest forecasts by Cornwall Insight which show a typical household's energy bills will be around £2,800 from July 2023 onwards. That's £200 below April's Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) rate of £3,000.


"Recent mild weather means many households have switched off the heating, "
Do you not think it more likely they are simply frightened to put the heating on unless they are absolutely freezing. It's 2023 not 1023 people should not be scared that they can't afford to be reasonably warm.
 
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Yes, but what was the typical household energy bill before all the energy the furore started and this 'Energy Price Guarantee' malarky reared it's nasty head?

Or do we conveniently ignore all that has gone immediately before these new prices arose and suck it up like good little citizens? ;) :cool:

Do you know what the percentage increase has been for the 'typical household energy bill' over the last couple of years?
I have just covered that Marie.
Unfortunately we will probably have to pay 25% more, but thats way below what the real price was.
By then an average home will be around £1300-1400 PA.
If we continued paying these prices for years our economy would end up in tatters, and that would not suit energy suppliers.
With the current prices the government would having nothing to pay as they are guaranteeing an average of £3000 from June.
But currently the average would only be £2800, but this figure will probably be lower by then.
 
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Is the heater staying on constant, or switching on and off with thermostat? That sounds like a lot of heat input even in an older Kontiki.

It's been cold here so today it's been on constant. I've just finally knocked it down to 1.25kw. it's not clicking off though. Grade 3 insulation but it's a big van. A lot of lounge space.
 
I have just covered that Marie.
Unfortunately we will probably have to pay 25% more, but thats way below what the real price was.

25% is a pretty big price hike in my book, and 'unfortunate' is definitely not the word that first comes to my mind ;)

Do you think that's a 'sustainable' price increase for most people?
 
25% is a pretty big price hike in my book, and 'unfortunate' is definitely not the word that first comes to my mind ;)

Do you think that's a 'sustainable' price increase for most people?
Marie at one point it was over 300%.
I never stated we would get back to were we were soon.
I only stated that this was unsustainable in the medium term.
Also if you factor three years worth of inflation into this at around 20% its not that much more.
Also nothing is written in stone here.
Also apologies for taking so long to get back, I was out visiting my niece in her new flat.
 
It's been cold here so today it's been on constant. I've just finally knocked it down to 1.25kw. it's not clicking off though. Grade 3 insulation but it's a big van. A lot of lounge space.
I hope when you leave you slip them a few quid Barry.;)
 
I am now going to stick my head in the sand along with many others and see if I can find some ground source heating. :)
Nothing wrong with your thinking, its better not to hope for to much, then if these predictions come to fruition your a happy Chappy.

Me, well I am not counting my chickens either, but things cannot go on the way they were.
 

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