No Gaslow or Health & Safety vigilantes.REFILLING PROPANE

lebesset said:
for 25 years I ran on lpg so have pumped a lot of gas in my time , sometimes 60Kg/day on long trips
the tanks on lpg vehicles use 80 % valves , I had two failures on landi -hartog equipment , used as OE by volvo , the other was of italian and have forgotten the name

having been in the weighing machine business maybe you can tell me the specification of the equipment you saw so that I can judge it's accuracy, it will certainly be less than an lpg pump I can assure you

you say you think that it is a bit hit and miss to rely on people calculating how much to put in ...personally I think people can manage their 2 x table quite easily

and as calor state on their website they fill up to 87% , there must be a good margin for error , don't you think ? ; I have , as previously stated , filled a bottle with lpg as far as the pump would let me , and I didn't manage to get liquid out , no doubt calor et al have higher pressure pumps than are permitted in filling stations ; but , again as previously stated , I stick to the rated capacity as marked on the bottle , belt and braces is my motto

let me be quite clear , I don't commend to anyone that they fill their normal bottles ; what I object to is them being told it is dangerous , because it is no more dangerous than driving down the road ! less so in fact !
you might as well say that being in bed is dangerous because more people die there than anywhere else
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Tonight I saw a piece of film of a man driving down the motorway the wrong way, Now tell me again how safe driving is when carried out by morons, likewise letting morons fill gas bottles at petrol stations using bottles without saftey valves is dangerous, There are people for whom the 2x table is beyond them or they are just reckless and will try to get a bit more in. Clearly I don't include you in this group as you know what you are doing :) but because you know what you are doing does not make it any less dangerous a practice :)

Your entitled to your opinion my friend and I'm entitled to mine, You seem to have taken to heart that someone would question you so I'm going to leave it there, I was only questioning what I considered to be a dangerous practice, thats filling bottles designed to be filled profesionally using a gadget purchased on ebay and I will continue to do so as it is IMHO and the opinion of many others its a dangerous practice that should not be encouraged. :)
 
Geoff.W said:
Hi Mark.

Inside the cylinder there is a float valve (like the ball cock in a toilet cistern), when this reaches the level equal to 80% fill it shuts of the inlet, causing an increase in pressure in the fill pipe which triggers the pump switch.
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Here are two pics one of the float valve and the other a cut away MTH underfloor propane tank. Note the seperate float for the gauge level.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words:D Hope it helps those who need to know:D

--John
 
jogguk said:
Here are two pics one of the float valve and the other a cut away MTH underfloor propane tank. Note the seperate float for the gauge level.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words:D Hope it helps those who need to know:D

--John
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Thanks for that, just like a toilet cistern, but if you use a bottle without a cut off valve how does a forecout pump known when to turn off?
 
cipro said:
Would it not be cheaper and easer to use gasflo system because you are
one of the full timers on this site, and I am sure this subject has been
brought before:confused::confused:
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at this moment the cost is just out of reach for a full system ,but i will try and get it fitted later .it will save money in the longrun
 
mandrake said:
at this moment the cost is just out of reach for a full system ,but i will try and get it fitted later .it will save money in the longrun
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Hi Mandrake
I think you already have this but I feel its worth reminding everyone that Gaslow are not the only supplier of bottles, I bought mine from here and saved at least 1/3 price incl delivery, ignore the trade only they sell to anyone now :)

FES Autogas - LPG - Autogas Conversions- Trade only supplier
Their catalogue is here http://www.fesautogas.co.uk/catstp2009.pdf
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thanks for the info will get a gas low or simmiler fitted later in the year but at the moment just renued my insurance tax is due end of may and then mot due june :eek:: so got my handsfull financialy . oh and with buying bits and bobs for the first grandson when he finaly realises there is a bigger world out there than the womb due today but no sighn yet gaslow can wait he he he
 
Just filled 2 6 kg cylinders at a shell roadside station no problem but just to be safe only put in 10 ltrs the adaptor has paid for itself on the first 2 refills as long as you are certin that bottles are empty I see no problem with this system.
 
Yep ,nothing quite like a fixed tank,great for cost and great for convenience,chatting to the fellow who filled up my tank for the first time a month ago he told me that the pump stops filling when pressure is equalised.
Either way always wear gloves when filling up as the gas if it ends up on your hands will take off a large chunk of skin.So beware;):)
 
coolasluck said:
Yep ,nothing quite like a fixed tank,great for cost and great for convenience,chatting to the fellow who filled up my tank for the first time a month ago he told me that the pump stops filling when pressure is equalised.
Either way always wear gloves when filling up as the gas if it ends up on your hands will take off a large chunk of skin.So beware;):)
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The gas passing through the adaptor cools it down to below freezing. If you touch this straight after you take the filler off your fingers can stick to it. I find If I put the filler back in the holder it has warmed up enough to unscrew it. Just to avoid problems I use a glove.
 
If you have ever tried to fill up a refillable cigarette lighter, you can see that it only gets to about 1/3 full before the pressure is equalised.

This makes me a bit puzzled as to how a bottle can be filled 100%
 
maingate said:
If you have ever tried to fill up a refillable cigarette lighter, you can see that it only gets to about 1/3 full before the pressure is equalised.

This makes me a bit puzzled as to how a bottle can be filled 100%
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My gas lighter fills to virtually 100% as far as I can see.

AndyC
 
either you don't see very well andy , or you are the only person in the world to whom boyle's law doesn't apply
 
Now I havent read all the thread, but if you are in the area I can take you to meet a really nice chap who was in a very serious accident involving refilling gas bottles, in short even if it saves £1000 a time just dont do it.
On another note I binned the small 907 cylinders and fitted the larger propane as its half the price.
 
winchman , what on earth did this guy do ?

tens of millions of bottles are filled world wide every day , with no problems

I cannot imagine how he had an accident

even if you fill the bottles as full as you can it is well within it's design limits
 
lebesset said:
winchman , what on earth did this guy do ?

tens of millions of bottles are filled world wide every day , with no problems

I cannot imagine how he had an accident

even if you fill the bottles as full as you can it is well within it's design limits
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les accidents DO happen regardless how many times the said operation is carried out!!!! i have a mate who has been a tree surgeon for many a year and won umpteen competions, one slip up cost him his a nice scar across his face!! could have been much worse, i guess complacency could also play a part in accidents of any kind!!!
 
Probably...back in the days before liberation or whatevert I used to see (from as far a distance is possible) the wild things done with gas cylinders in EASTERN EUROPE.
Never actually heard any bangs, tho'
 
statistically more people die in bed than anywhere else
on that basis you should never go to bed

frankly , filling a gas bottle is much safer than driving down the road , but everybody seems to do that without a thought

wonder how many people have got killed at calor gas this year ...they don't even fill the bottles using a secure connection , much too slow!
 
never seen any of the gas filling stations i,v visited ever use more than a push on connector .goes like auto mation. open valve zap turn off valve remove connection .there is a place near me that fill co2 bottles for pubs they do screw on a connector .and co2 dont burn.
yes accidents happen .their dad should have worn a condom. ha ha .
mine did as a hat. ha ha ,
cheers alan.
 
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