winchman
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He was at work refilling bottles as he normally did when it all went bang, my point is even the professionals get caught out, I just dont feel its worth the risk.
He was at work refilling bottles as he normally did when it all went bang, my point is even the professionals get caught out, I just dont feel its worth the risk.
lebesset
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as previously mentioned , in a bottle filling station they don't use a secure method , just give it a quick squirt , far more dangerous but safe enough to be the approved method
a member off my staff was an ex-army major who trained soldiers in the use of explosives ; he used to say , to begin with , you are very , very careful ; after that you become confident ; if you survive that you become very , very careful again
sounds like your friend was confident
but I notice you are telling us it is dangerous in a bottle filling station , not someone filling a bottle with a secure connection ; in 30 years of using lpg in 30+ countries I have never heard of anyone having an accident doing that !
tell me something in life that does not have an element of danger , don't you do far more dangerous things like driving around on public roads?
a member off my staff was an ex-army major who trained soldiers in the use of explosives ; he used to say , to begin with , you are very , very careful ; after that you become confident ; if you survive that you become very , very careful again
sounds like your friend was confident
but I notice you are telling us it is dangerous in a bottle filling station , not someone filling a bottle with a secure connection ; in 30 years of using lpg in 30+ countries I have never heard of anyone having an accident doing that !
tell me something in life that does not have an element of danger , don't you do far more dangerous things like driving around on public roads?
ajs
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hurray for some common sense..at last
this is possibly the 5 or 6th thread i've seen on this forum alone about this subject...
it never ceases to amaze me how much sheermollix can be talked about 1 subject...
my client fills 5000 cylinders/bottles a day and has been doing for 25 years
...not a single issue...
**** you lot grow up... it is no more dangerous than crossing the piggin road
... even i can do it and i don't do spanners regards
aj
fugglestick
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Jesus....where do these el stupedoes come from...I know where they go, usually the afterlife, in various bits.. Could t imagine a more stupid occupation. Spose hes the same guy who chucks acetylene cylinders about.....
hairydog
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When I was at school, I used to work weekends at a boatyard, readying boats for hire. They always had to go out with full gas cylinders, so these had to be refilled. And we had a team doing this all day, three days a week for years. Never a problem. So all the "you must be mad" posters seem to be very wrong.
As said, it is important to weigh the cylinder, taking off the weight of the empty cylinder. You should fill them to about 80% full - never past 90%. LPG expands a lot with temperature rise and you don't want to run out of space in there! But if you fill them to the rated capacity, all will be well.
Provided you leave that space, and have the correct adapter pipe, filling one cylinder from another is perfectly safe. But it is not a job to bodge!
As said, it is important to weigh the cylinder, taking off the weight of the empty cylinder. You should fill them to about 80% full - never past 90%. LPG expands a lot with temperature rise and you don't want to run out of space in there! But if you fill them to the rated capacity, all will be well.
Provided you leave that space, and have the correct adapter pipe, filling one cylinder from another is perfectly safe. But it is not a job to bodge!
Jimmy Pickup
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The effective gas solution in Spain
We've just arrived in Spain, having installed one Gaslow and one Calor 13kg bottles prior to the trip; we also bought several adaptors. Now we are in Spain, we find refilling a rare possibility (not noticed one gas pump down to Benidorm) and have purchased one 13kg bottle and regulator (@ €8 & €3 resp), secondhand from a market and swapped for a full bottle @ €14 - this is butane. We are connected through the barby outlet.
France is much better for gas stations but we went through like a dose of salts due to the fact we were frozen solid whilst there.
So, I think we'll stick with what we have, it seems to work OK.
Blue Skies
We've just arrived in Spain, having installed one Gaslow and one Calor 13kg bottles prior to the trip; we also bought several adaptors. Now we are in Spain, we find refilling a rare possibility (not noticed one gas pump down to Benidorm) and have purchased one 13kg bottle and regulator (@ €8 & €3 resp), secondhand from a market and swapped for a full bottle @ €14 - this is butane. We are connected through the barby outlet.
France is much better for gas stations but we went through like a dose of salts due to the fact we were frozen solid whilst there.
So, I think we'll stick with what we have, it seems to work OK.
Blue Skies
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Hi Jimmy Pickup
Benidorm is in one of the no Autogas areas.
Your nearest stations are at Alicanti (Repsol Depot uses both adaptors Uk type and the new Euro adaptor. GPS: 38.3024 -0.5283 Access easy for RV
Avenida de Elche 170
Alicante
Tel: 965 209 950
08.00-21.00 Everyday
or E S Cred Rabasa Garage 38.376111° -0.509167° Open 24 hours)
The other is Valencia Repsol GPS: 39.4599 -0.4099
Calle de Gremis
Poligono Vara de Quart
Valencia
Tel: 963 792 200
24 Hours Everyday,
I was in the same position as you and also used the barbecue point. I am paying 13 euro for a 12.5Kg (22 litre) Cepsa bottle refill Autogas at Alicanti was 0.688 euro per litre, the bottle works out cheaper.
John
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Channa
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Well my thoughts on the subject
I have never really understood why we use butane over propane given propanes versatility. My conclusion is that both gases are a product of refining therefore the oil:gas companies create a market.
In terms of filling bottles, the only way to do it is by weight, there has been a few references to empty bottles being different weights but so far noone has offered an explanation.
In my experience dealing with french gas companies and at any given moment looking after in excess of 500 bottles of gas you get 'heavy ends' this is caused by two factors
1 bottles are returned with remnants of gas from customers
2 the distillation process of gas is essentially from oil and residue collects in the bottom of the bottles
You can tell a dirty bottle when your pigtail is tainted with a oily yellowish substance;
We occasionally get an overfilled bottle and the signs are quite easy to spot the flame floats on the hob or water heater;
A few minutes burning off on a hob cures.
I personallly wouldnt decant from one bottle to another,
Channa
I have never really understood why we use butane over propane given propanes versatility. My conclusion is that both gases are a product of refining therefore the oil:gas companies create a market.
In terms of filling bottles, the only way to do it is by weight, there has been a few references to empty bottles being different weights but so far noone has offered an explanation.
In my experience dealing with french gas companies and at any given moment looking after in excess of 500 bottles of gas you get 'heavy ends' this is caused by two factors
1 bottles are returned with remnants of gas from customers
2 the distillation process of gas is essentially from oil and residue collects in the bottom of the bottles
You can tell a dirty bottle when your pigtail is tainted with a oily yellowish substance;
We occasionally get an overfilled bottle and the signs are quite easy to spot the flame floats on the hob or water heater;
A few minutes burning off on a hob cures.
I personallly wouldnt decant from one bottle to another,
Channa
Bernard Jones
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Thanks for the informative post.
The only thing I can add is that I agree £21 is pretty normal for a replacement 907 in the UK, but I get mine from Millets for £14.
(its about 12 Euros in Spain)
windyjools
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Refilling gas bottles
We spend a lot of time abroad, and have seen this done many times. The full bottle is suspended in the sun upside down, to keep the pressure up, the empty bottle to be filled is kept as cool as practical, in the shade and the right way up. The two are connected with a 'suitable' connection. The valve on the empty bottle is opened completely. The valve on the full one is opened very slowly to allow the liquified gas to pass from on to the other. I gather the difference in pressure and temperature fills the receiving bottle to about 3/4 full before the pressures are equalised.
I have seen this done many times in Spain and Morocco with no problems.......me personally, I would buy a local gas bottle, in Spain it will cost you 20 Euros, regulator about 8 euros, in Morocco itis even cheaper, you will get the deposit back when you leave the country.
We spend a lot of time abroad, and have seen this done many times. The full bottle is suspended in the sun upside down, to keep the pressure up, the empty bottle to be filled is kept as cool as practical, in the shade and the right way up. The two are connected with a 'suitable' connection. The valve on the empty bottle is opened completely. The valve on the full one is opened very slowly to allow the liquified gas to pass from on to the other. I gather the difference in pressure and temperature fills the receiving bottle to about 3/4 full before the pressures are equalised.
I have seen this done many times in Spain and Morocco with no problems.......me personally, I would buy a local gas bottle, in Spain it will cost you 20 Euros, regulator about 8 euros, in Morocco itis even cheaper, you will get the deposit back when you leave the country.
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OK so where do you get the bottle to suspend over the empty. Butane here in Spain is 14€ for a 12.5 kg bottle (CESPA). Bottles available everywhere.
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hi john. its about not having to drive around with lots of different bottles. empty one and hand it back. i have an lpg pump ,it allows me to totally empty a bottle. i carry a maroc and a spanish bottle mostly when on my winter trips. also have filling adaptors. maroc about 4.50pounds. spain last one was 13.10euro. if you know where you are going having the right bottle makes life much easier. never had a problem picking up a spanish bottle a garage just said ok here you are.ipayed for the gas only.
rickboy
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Is this a record thread?
Is this thread I started way back in snowy December 2009 a record for views and replies?
Thanks to everyone for their views ,banter and experience and I am still here to write this despite adopting some new lpg techniques.
Hope everyone is enjoying the early summer ,use it to its full it may be all we get!!
Cheers Rickboy
Is this thread I started way back in snowy December 2009 a record for views and replies?
Thanks to everyone for their views ,banter and experience and I am still here to write this despite adopting some new lpg techniques.
Hope everyone is enjoying the early summer ,use it to its full it may be all we get!!
Cheers Rickboy
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Hi Alan since December 2010, garages in this area have been totally refusing to supply without an empty. The only way to get one legally is to have the whole vehicle checked out by a CESPA or REPSOL engineer. He will issue a certificate that will get you up to two bottles without an empty. We have a REPSOL truck comes 3 times a week around the site and his response as soon as Joan started to ask and before she was finished was "No Posible". I even tried a Caravan Dealer and got the same response "No Posible". We were quoted 160€ to 200€ for the inspection on our Hymer S700's system.
We managed to get a couple of CESPA Aluminium empties from a junk shop in Cartegena. He also had REPSOL steel. Others have got them from Car Boot sales.
Once you have an empty there is no problem. Price for March refill was 14.00€
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