HYDROGEN ASSIST for Petrol or Diesel

K9d said:
At what point in your Hydrogen assist system is the Hydrogen combined with Oxygen to produce electricity ?
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why are you asking that....i am reading everywhere that hydrogen assist is fuel cell technology...ok? so you are scientist and you are telling me otherwise. ok I will believe a scientist and bow to all your qualifications. Sorry i got it wrong
http://bwt.jeffotto.com/hydro-assist-fuel-cell.htm
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:HAFC_Hydro_Assist_Fuel_Cell
 
Tezza said:
why are you asking that....i am reading everywhere that hydrogen assist is fuel cell technology...ok? so you are scientist and you are telling me otherwise. ok I will believe a scientist and bow to all your qualifications. Sorry i got it wrong
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Your a very strange person, do you see everything as an argument ?
I was only asking a question.

P.S. You full stop key still seems to be sticking.
 
Hi Tezza

Take a deep breath, calm down and then go back to the beginning and start again. You will see that David is trying to help you.

Richard
 
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It's simple - a fuel cell uses hydrogen to create electricity.

The name HAFC is marketing and the hydrogen generator looks to be the opposite of a fuel cell because it uses electricity to make hydrogen.

They'll be saying next that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democracy (because it says so in the name).
 
Judging by what you said i wouldnt really expect you to know about the NHS UNions Teachers The poor Drug rehailitation Mechanics floods ,, terrorism , religion, but dont feel bad about .We all have our limitations david as you know. Now your physicst....your totally wasted on you ride on mower. Im sure camerwrong can find you place in the cabinet with all the others who are not qualified.
 
OK...batting a head against a wall here. And you lot call me a keyboard warrior.lol I put links on from reputable sources and then im referred to goverments in korea. Well thats ok...again im getting it wrong and your arguement must stand because of Korea?And not one of you has a qualification not one of you has studided the subject and not one of you bar Colin has the device. Take time out here and have a little think.....
"how am i qualified to make judgement on this....Have i tested it?....no....have i used one?....no....have i spoken to somebody that has one.....yes...colin has...and his reports you say are what?....lies?.I have one...cant say about the fuel as i said as i have nothing to compare too. But torque...it does what it says it does...i have more torque. So...am i liar? I couldnt care less what you think. I am grateful for Colin to pointing me in the right direction. I am also grateful to all the other people who suggested different aproaches to my problem. The haters...well carry on and disbelieve. Time will tell. Im outta this convo
 
Norm De Plume said:
It's simple - a fuel cell uses hydrogen to create electricity.

The name HAFC is marketing and the hydrogen generator looks to be the opposite of a fuel cell because it uses electricity to make hydrogen.
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Tezza perhaps you should read this again and try really, really hard to understand what's being said.

Now I realise you won't be able to see this but I'm not arguing with you I'm just trying to help you.

Your system is the complete opposite of a fuel cell, I'm not "hatting" your system although I'm dubious as to some of its claims, but that's down to basic physics that says you can't get more energy out than you put it, unless of course your system is splitting the atoms.
 
Tezza said:
OK...batting a head against a wall here. And you lot call me a keyboard warrior.lol I put links on from reputable sources and then im referred to goverments in korea. Well thats ok...again im getting it wrong and your arguement must stand because of Korea?And not one of you has a qualification not one of you has studided the subject and not one of you bar Colin has the device. Take time out here and have a little think.....
"how am i qualified to make judgement on this....Have i tested it?....no....have i used one?....no....have i spoken to somebody that has one.....yes...colin has...and his reports you say are what?....lies?.I have one...cant say about the fuel as i said as i have nothing to compare too. But torque...it does what it says it does...i have more torque. So...am i liar? I couldnt care less what you think. I am grateful for Colin to pointing me in the right direction. I am also grateful to all the other people who suggested different aproaches to my problem. The haters...well carry on and disbelieve. Time will tell. Im outta this convo
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All I said was that it's not a fuel cell - it's marketing and marketers do that. Just because someone calls it a fuel cell and sells a product doesn't make it a fuel cell. I only mentioned Korea as an example - they call it democratic when it's the opposite, the same as the Democratic Republic of Congo probably wasn't either.

One thing that I am curious about with this technology and that doesn't seem to have been mentioned, is whether the injection of hydrogen could actually change the characteristics of the burn, in the same way that a catalyst can change a chemical reaction. Yes, I'm skeptical about HA because I'm not sure how much more efficient internal combustion engines can get, given the laws of thermodynamics, but I would welcome evidence that shows it does work.

So to sum up, it might work, but the name's wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Now now you lot, play nice, :rockroll: What is a fuel cell... the way I see it if you put Hydrogen in and the "fuel" you produce to do the work is electricity = Fuel cell..
Now if you put electricity in and the "fuel" you produce to do the work is Hydrogen = Fuel cell, so technically they are both fuel cells (a fuel cell is basically a factory) An ordinary lead acid battery is a fuel cell.

K9d, a heat pump puts out more energy than is put in. ;):lol-061: With HA my understanding is that a small amount of Hydrogen acts as a catalyst making the fuel molecular bonds easier too separate, resulting in a cleaner and improved burn releasing more of the available energy, improving the ICE efficiency.
 
Sorry Mul, I was being a little facetious, to some people it's magic, yes of course the energy has to come from somewhere and as you say either the air or ground, I was just having a little dig at the "Experts" that state as a fact that Hydrogen Assist cannot work (I wonder if they are members of the flat earth society.) :lol-053: I wonder what will be possible in a couple of hundred from now that "scientists and physicists" believe is impossible to day..
There has been a number of scientific facts blown out of the water in my lifetime..:hammer:
 
I have never stated it can't work, I just don't believe it can, two different things.
 
K9d, can you tell me how efficient a petrol ICE is, and how much energy is wasted in unused heat.
 
ColinD said:
K9d, can you tell me how efficient a petrol ICE is, and how much energy is wasted in unused heat.
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Its efficiency will depend on many factors, i.e. if its made in America it will be shockingly inefficient and probably make more noise than power, if its European or Japanese it will be a lot more efficient. As for wasted heat unfortunately loads.
 
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