HYDROGEN ASSIST for Petrol or Diesel

[RoadTrek Boy]

I've been following this thread with interest, I work for a large company that re-manufactures diesel engines and transmissions, mostly for heavy plant and railway use, one of our customers asked us to investigate this type of system along with the supplying company, we have a team of highly qualified engineers and technicians with many years experience in the diesel engine industry, the testing was to be carried out on our premises under controlled conditions, we allocated one test bed for this purpose, the first test was conducted with the standard engine as rebuilt by us, the results were taken after the usual run in period and at the eight pre-set power settings, the fuel usage was recorded as was the fuel return to tank. Then the HHO system was fitted, this caused a great amount of problems, they couldn't get the required amount of hydrogen production from their system so they did many modifications, uprating the electrical system being one, after almost three weeks of messing about the customer told the supplier to pack up as the results so far collected made the system not worth investing in and they were also worried about the fire/explosion risk involved in having hydrogen under a passenger carrying vehicle.
As a side note we also long term tested a catalitic system with another customer, fitted to three vehicles, after two years and 200,000 miles each the systems were removed as there had been no recordable improvement in fuel consumption compared to an un-modified engine. So in my opinion these systems are a waste of money.

With Hydrogen on demand you do not produce any gas unless the engine is running! so none is stored.
Not all systems are the same, I can only comment on the one I have fitted, it works for me.

 

[Firefox]

I've been following this thread with interest, I work for a large company that re-manufactures diesel engines and transmissions, mostly for heavy plant and railway use, one of our customers asked us to investigate this type of system along with the supplying company, we have a team of highly qualified engineers and technicians with many years experience in the diesel engine industry, the testing was to be carried out on our premises under controlled conditions, we allocated one test bed for this purpose, the first test was conducted with the standard engine as rebuilt by us, the results were taken after the usual run in period and at the eight pre-set power settings, the fuel usage was recorded as was the fuel return to tank. Then the HHO system was fitted, this caused a great amount of problems, they couldn't get the required amount of hydrogen production from their system so they did many modifications, uprating the electrical system being one, after almost three weeks of messing about the customer told the supplier to pack up as the results so far collected made the system not worth investing in and they were also worried about the fire/explosion risk involved in having hydrogen under a passenger carrying vehicle.
As a side note we also long term tested a catalitic system with another customer, fitted to three vehicles, after two years and 200,000 miles each the systems were removed as there had been no recordable improvement in fuel consumption compared to an un-modified engine. So in my opinion these systems are a waste of money.

Finally someone who has tried the system on a test bed. The HHO scam artists who sell these systems certainly don't, because they know there will be no measurable improvement. My guess is the mpg will be worse, as the drag on the engine and heat losses in the wires wastes fuel.

Hence NO manufacturer fits these systems as standard on new vehicles... a very very telling piece of information.

 

[RoadTrek Boy]

Finally someone who has tried the system on a test bed. The HHO scam artists who sell these systems certainly don't, because they know there will be no measurable improvement. My guess is the mpg will be worse, as the drag on the engine and heat losses in the wires wastes fuel.

Hence NO manufacturer fits these systems as standard on new vehicles... a very very telling piece of information.

have a look at this, Pepsi I believe did some tests in Canada, now they are purchasing more on demand Hydrogen assisted Trucks, fancy them spending all that money on a scam.

http://hydrogenfs.com/Orlando Fleet Release 042309.pdf

 

[Tbear]

have a look at this, Pepsi I believe did some tests in Canada, now they are purchasing more on demand Hydrogen assisted Trucks, fancy them spending all that money on a scam.

http://hydrogenfs.com/Orlando Fleet Release 042309.pdf

I read it as what they hope to achieve from multifuel engines. Most of the saving from the use of electricity. The hydrogen is injected but I did not notice where it was coming from. I am pleased that people are experimenting but my £500 is staying in my back pocket for now.

Richard

 

[RoadTrek Boy]

I read it as what they hope to achieve from multifuel engines. Most of the saving from the use of electricity. The hydrogen is injected but I did not notice where it was coming from. I am pleased that people are experimenting but my £500 is staying in my back pocket for now.

Richard

In Canada they have been using them since 2009, I don't think they would have ordered more if they didn't work.

Pepsi Beverages Company Fleet Adds Hydrogen-Injected Trucks - Article - Green Fleet Magazine

I reckon all you non believers should club together and get one van fitted, after all if it doesn't work you would get your money back anyway...:rockroll::drive:

 

[Tbear]

One of the girls I work with was chatting to her Canadian mum the other day. -27 C where she was. They need a bit of something extra.

Richard

 

[Tezza]

Wasting your time Colin...thats why i dropped out . We are liars. Thats all there is to it. People dont believe us. So let them carry on.
There are 3 people on here who have them fitted who say they work...and all the others who say they dont work....have never had one. Telling bit of information that hahahahahha

 

[Tbear]

Wasting your time Colin...thats why i dropped out . We are liars. Thats all there is to it. People dont believe us. So let them carry on.

You really need to calm down. Nobody has called anyone a liar. You have an opinion and I am not convinced so we are all having a discussion about it. Its what forums are about

Richard

 

[Tezza]

You really need to calm down. Nobody has called anyone a liar. You have an opinion and I am not convinced so we are all having a discussion about it. Its what forums are about

Richard

Im calm and just laughing about all of you....I say they work...you say they dont. so...i must be lieing.Or is there another word for it.Or are you accepting that im telling the truth and that they must work then?.
Nothing really to discuss...i say it works from experience...you say it doesnt from google." other say it works...and you dismiss them as well. But your right...there is nothing to discuss the people who use it says it works. The only people here who say it doesnt are the ones who dont use it. Theres the difference

 

[Tbear]

Im calm and just laughing about all of you....I say they work...you say they dont. so...i must be lieing.Or is there another word for it.Or are you accepting that im telling the truth and that they must work then?.
Nothing really to discuss...i say it works from experience...you say it doesnt from google." other say it works...and you dismiss them as well. But your right...there is nothing to discuss the people who use it says it works. The only people here who say it doesnt are the ones who dont use it. Theres the difference

When did I say they don't work?

Nothing to discuss but a whole new era of engineering if you are in anyway correct.

When did I quote Google saying it didn't work.

Who did I dismiss.

When did i say that there was nothing to discuss.

People that have little faith in it are hardly liable to use it are they.

If that is not a case of chucking your teddy out I don't know what is. Next you will be starting a thread saying that nobody loves you!

Richard

 

[K9d]

Your wasting your time Tbear, Tezza doesn't understand that people can have differing opinions and yet not be calling the other a liar, its just differing opinions.

If I say I believe in alien lifeforms and someone else doesn't does it make either of us a liar, no it just means we have differing opinions.

I have......an......idea.....that......Tezza.....may.........understand..........................................................................................

 

[invalid]

Your wasting your time Tbear, Tezza doesn't understand that people can have differing opinions and yet not be calling the other a liar, its just differing opinions.

If I say I believe in alien lifeforms and someone else doesn't does it make either of us a liar, no it just means we have differing opinions.

Clearly you've visited Dartmoor recently. :lol-053:

 

[trevskoda]

other life forms but not as we know it jim,oh theres clingons on the starboard side starboard side.:lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-053::lol-053::lol-053:

 

[RoadTrek Boy]

other life forms but not as we know it jim,oh theres clingons on the starboard side starboard side.:lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-053::lol-053::lol-053:

They should have been more careful and not fallen overboard, but how long can they cling on for. :scared::boat::lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-049::lol-049:

 

[Tezza]

Your wasting your time Tbear, Tezza doesn't understand that people can have differing opinions and yet not be calling the other a liar, its just differing opinions.

If I say I believe in alien lifeforms and someone else doesn't does it make either of us a liar, no it just means we have differing opinions.

I have......an......idea.....that......Tezza.....may.........understand..........................................................................................

And.......by.......that......you.......mean.......what????...........? just press ignore if you dont like it
Its not an opinion...its a fact that i have more torque....just we are not discussing opinions . 3 people have said that it works. the 3 people do not have an opinion as they have it and it is showing as working. No opinion involved from those. The people who say it does not work...that is their opinion...as they have not tried one. Am i correct so far?????
My van has more torque after installation. Not an opinion. So i am not guessing or making an informed opinion. but the people who are their basing their opinions on what they read. Now prove me wrong...install one...nothing to lose 30 day money back guarantee if it doesnt work. So put up and prove everybody wrong.simples easy.
And if i didnt understand people have different opinions i would have nothing to say would i?
But k9d losing...has to resort to the way i write.Love it when i get up peoples noses so bad.........So...ok I put my money where my mouth is....and you lot....lol. carry on hahahahh
alien lifeform...hmmmm.....ok as of yet nobody has walked in with an alien...so you are correct...its an opinion.Nowif somebody walked in with his alien mate or told you where they lived then that would be a fact...following? see the difference? One person actually has one as a friend...but the net says..." when i last looked in 2008 ( thats when nearly everything bad was written about hydrogen assist seems to have gone very quiet in the last few years ) i didnt see any aliens but there again i didnt see any tablets or iphones or 4g or 4k tv's . So they cant possibly exist and work either.

 

[Firefox]

Yes, just different opinions. I say they are a scam. The after market sellers claim 20-30% better mpg.

The technology has been around many years, and the fact is they are not fitted by any vehicle makers who spend billions on extracting tiny %'s of improvement elsewhere than onboard HHO. If they could spend £100 per vehicle on some very simple parts and get 30% mpg improvement (even 15% would do!), they surely would. It would mean their vehicles would outsell everyone else's in the blink of an eye. They would dominate the market. It doesn't happen though does it... I wonder why?

 

[Tezza]

They can also make lightbulbs that never blow...they can also make mobile phones completely waterproof by just spraying them and a load of other things too....but it doesnt happen though.....wonder why.

 

[K9d]

And.......by.......that......you.......mean.......what????...........? just press ignore if you dont like it
Its not an opinion...its a fact that i have more torque....just we are not discussing opinions . 3 people have said that it works. the 3 people do not have an opinion as they have it and it is showing as working. No opinion involved from those. The people who say it does not work...that is their opinion...as they have not tried one. Am i correct so far?????
My van has more torque after installation. Not an opinion. So i am not guessing or making an informed opinion. but the people who are their basing their opinions on what they read. Now prove me wrong...install one...nothing to lose 30 day money back guarantee if it doesnt work. So put up and prove everybody wrong.simples easy.
And if i didnt understand people have different opinions i would have nothing to say would i?
But k9d losing...has to resort to the way i write.Love it when i get up peoples noses so bad.........So...ok I put my money where my mouth is....and you lot....lol. carry on hahahahh
alien lifeform...hmmmm.....ok as of yet nobody has walked in with an alien...so you are correct...its an opinion.Nowif somebody walked in with his alien mate or told you where they lived then that would be a fact...following? see the difference? One person actually has one as a friend...but the net says..." when i last looked in 2008 ( thats when nearly everything bad was written about hydrogen assist seems to have gone very quiet in the last few years ) i didnt see any aliens but there again i didnt see any tablets or iphones or 4g or 4k tv's . So they cant possibly exist and work either.

Have you put your van on a rolling road before and after installation, if not then its still just opinion.
Trust me your not getting up my nose, I read your rantings and smile as I form a mental picture of a sad person who wants to argue with the world, kind of a Victor Meldrew on steroids. As for imitating your writing, it took a lot of effort to be so bad, perhaps you can explain the purpose of the multiple fullstops, the other grammatical errors I put down to your excited state of mind.
The alien thing was just an example of how people can have differing opinions, yet amazingly you still want to make that an argument, you really are a strange character.

P.S. Sony make a mobile phone that is waterproof, mobile phones and tablets were around in 2008 and the first 4K monitor was built in 2001 by IBM, if you're going to make statements at least think them through or do some research.

 

[jagmanx]

I wish

Have you put your van on a rolling road before and after installation, if not then its still just opinion.
Trust me your not getting up my nose, I read your rantings and smile as I form a mental picture of a sad person who wants to argue with the world, kind of a Victor Meldrew on steroids. As for imitating your writing, it took a lot of effort to be so bad, perhaps you can explain the purpose of the multiple fullstops, the other grammatical errors I put down to your excited state of mind.
The alien thing was just an example of how people can have differing opinions, yet amazingly you still want to make that an argument, you really are a strange character.

P.S. Sony make a mobile phone that is waterproof, mobile phones and tablets were around in 2008 and the first 4K monitor was built in 2001 by IBM, if you're going to make statements at least think them through or do some research.

That those who post could refrain from being rude to others.
"Wildcamping The Wild Fun and Friendly Motorhome Community"

NOT ALWAYS !

 

[K9d]

That those who post could refrain from being rude to others.
"Wildcamping The Wild Fun and Friendly Motorhome Community"

NOT ALWAYS !

I only respond to rudeness, never start it.